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Friday, July 27, 2007

Two great articles fisking Sicko

Posted by DonnaK on 07/27/07 at 04:36 PM

I’ve just come across two quite thorough articles that take on Michael Moore’s claims about the superior health care received in foreign countries.


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Wednesday, July 18, 2007

Pravda is Truth

Posted by MikeS on 07/18/07 at 02:14 PM

So do you do after CNN hands your sizable ass to you? Declare Victory!

CNN Throws in Towel, Admits to Two Errors, and States That All ‘Sicko’ Facts Are True to Their Source (or something like that)… Moore Realizes All This is Huge Distraction and Then Spends More Precious Time Thanking Paris Hilton for Seeing ‘Sicko’… Meanwhile, More than 300 Americans Die Because They Had No Health Insurance During the 8-Day Gupta-Moore War…

Notice the second error they “admit” on Keckley, he quotes a single sentence and not their paragraph-long deconstruction of his BS.

CNN did apologize for these two factual errors, but no apology seems to be coming for the rest of their errors.

Sorry, Mike, it’s you that’s in error on mixing data from various sources to make the US look as bad as possible. But, when Pravda is Truth, I guess CNN did make an error because they disagree with “truth” as you have defined it—facts that serve your point of view.


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Saturday, July 14, 2007

Fisking Moore’s Fisk, Part Duh

Posted by MikeS on 07/14/07 at 02:30 PM

Michael Moore’s “truth squad” is at it again.  Actually, I’m going to call them the Pravda Squad, since they remind me a lot of the old Soviet Communist Party newspaper “Pravda.” The russian word pravda literally means “truth” but the Soviet newspaper Pravda practically translated into “truth as defined by the Communist Party”.  Michael’s Pravda Squad defines “truth” as “whatever supports Moore’s positions”.

It’s not worth the detailed deconstruction I did last time.  Basically, they defend the indefensible mixing of sources to make the US look bad; they bring up Iraq again; they tacitly buy into the ridiculous notion that Medicare is more efficient than private insurance.  But I want to focus on two real stupidities:


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Wednesday, July 11, 2007

Fisking Moore’s Fisk

Posted by MikeS on 07/11/07 at 02:33 PM

Michael Moore has responded to CNN. I hate to put in two long posts in one day, but it’s a perfect example of his methods.  He doesn’t lie, per se.  But he deceives and obfuscates with the skill of trained propagandist.

Here’s a fisking.  I’ve stripped out his reference and websites to save some space.  You can go to the link above if you want to see where he’s getting his facts from.  And you should.  Because where he’s getting his facts from is half the problem.


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Friday, July 06, 2007

I Need a Shower

Posted by MikeS on 07/06/07 at 10:55 PM

Those of you who have been to my blog (cue crickets chirping) or seen my comments at RTLC know that I’ve been fairly harsh with the Bush Administration and the GOP. So much so that as a small-government, free-market, free-trade federalist, I’m no longer considered “conservative” in some circles.

But one of the things I’m doing, now that I’m a contributor at Moorewatch, is becoming more familiar with his views, his work and his website - and the Leftists contained therein.  And while reading his website makes me feel like I need a shower for my brain, it is a wonderful reminder of why I will never ever be a radical leftist.  Over there it’s all “impeach Bush, destroy the corporations, let’s have a march”. All linked to approvingly by Moore. And I thought I’d have to go back to college to see such ignorance again.

Today, Mikey links approvingly to a Creative Loafing review of his movie.  I have to believe this is for entertainment purposes only. I grew up in Atlanta laughing at this “alternative” rag.  Certainly, Moore has to be giggling in his sleep knowing that he posted this on his website.

Anyway, a light fisking is in order, since the article represents everything that drives me berzerk about the healthcare debate. And presumably, one or two people are having their opinions formed by this tripe.

Besides, it’s been a long week and I feel the need to go Cheney on someone.


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Wednesday, June 20, 2007

Mikey’s Motive

Posted by Lee on 06/20/07 at 03:58 PM

Hi gang.  Before I begin, let me preface this by saying that these are MY REMARKS and MY REMARKS alone.  They should not be assumed to be in line with or representative of anything that Jim might think.  Everyone got that?  Good.

As I have been sifting through the volumes of hate mail I have been receiving (mostly because Moore fans are too stupid to click the correct link) one point became abundantly clear.  As I read the newspaper articles about the incident with Jim and the $12 grand I saw the germination of this meme, and the current press and hate mail prove it.  There are a few variations on this meme but they all tend to follow a general pattern.

1) Michael Moore saved Jim’s wife’s life.
2) Michael Moore paid Jim’s wife’s medical bills.
3) The website was in danger of closing, and Moore paid to keep it up.
4) Jim has not thanked Moore.

This, my friends, is why Moore ponied up the $12k.  It had nothing to do with altruism or a sincere desire to help his fellow man.  Moore, being a narcissistic sociopath, doesn’t do anything unless there is some benefit to doing so.  Here’s the benefit.  The world now largely thinks that Moore not only saved the life of a guy who hates him, but he also gave money so the website could stay up.  It’s all complete bullshit, of course, but that’s beside the point.  The average person thinks this about Moore, and you can’t buy publicity like that. 

Well, actually you can.  For giving $12k to a guy who needed it to pay bills, then telling everyone about what a great guy you are for doing so.

Let me just say this, too.  At the time we were having our server donation drive we had multiple large donations from famous people, including a television producer.  These gifts were given sincerely, some with promises that we would not reveal the source.  NOT ONE OF THESE DONORS has ever tried to capitalize on the fact that they helped the site out of a financial jam.  They, unlike Moore, have too much class for that.  They, unlike Moore, gave us the donations out of a sincere sense of altruism.

Moore fans, you’re being duped.  Don’t be a sheep, open your eyes and see how this vermin of a man is manipulating you.


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Sunday, November 26, 2006

Beat to the punch

Posted by JimK on 11/26/06 at 04:01 PM

I was preparing a fisking of Moore’s latest email screed.  Whenever I do these long fiskings (which I admit is rarely!) I often stop a number of times to help me 1. get away from it for a bit and 2. formulate what I want to say.  Well, I popped over to Wizbang and Jay Tea already wrote almost every single thing i wanted to say.  Yay!  Less typing for me.  Definitely read the whole thing...he nails Mike’s hide to the wall.

Example:

The Soviet Union got out of Afghanistan in 36 weeks. They did so and suffered hardly any losses as they left. They realized the mistake they had made and removed their troops. A civil war ensued. The bad guys won. Later, we overthrew the bad guys and everybody lived happily ever after. See! It all works out in the end!

Funny how Moore fast-forwards from “the bad guys won” to “we overthrew the bad guys.” What happened in the meantime? Well, a little thing called the Taliban happened—the Islamist thugs who brutally oppressed their own people and gave a home to an innocuous little group called Al Qaeda. You might have heard of them—they’re the ones who killed 3,000 people in New York, Pennsylvania, and Virginia back in September of 2001. Yeah, that’s an example we should be looking to emulate.

Nice.


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Sunday, September 11, 2005

Horse Shit

Posted by Lee on 09/11/05 at 05:09 AM

I haven’t done a full Michael Moore fisking in a long time, but the latest idiocy that just arrived in my mailbox is just screaming for it.

To All My Fellow Americans Who Voted for George W. Bush:

On this, the fourth anniversary of 9/11, I’m just curious, how does it feel?

An interesting question, which I’ll answer as we go along.

How does it feel to know that the man you elected to lead us after we were attacked went ahead and put a guy in charge of FEMA whose main qualification was that he ran horse shows?

That’s right. Horse shows.

I really want to know—and I ask you this in all sincerity and with all due respect—how do you feel about the utter contempt Mr. Bush has shown for your safety? C’mon, give me just a moment of honesty. Don’t start ranting on about how this disaster in New Orleans was the fault of one of the poorest cities in America. Put aside your hatred of Democrats and liberals and anyone with the last name of Clinton. Just look me in the eye and tell me our President did the right thing after 9/11 by naming a horse show runner as the top man to protect us in case of an emergency or catastrophe.

He didn’t do the right thing.  It was absolutely the wrong thing.  It was a terrible, despicable thing.  Thankfully, that numbnuts has been removed from his position.  To be sure, he wasn’t fired; he’s still the titular head of FEMA, but at least we’ve got someone new in there now.  But let’s be honest here, Bush didn’t get rid of him because he thought he was unqualified, he did so because of the PR flack, because of the incredible amount of heat he was taking, not from left-wing propagandists like yourself, that’s ti be expected.  No, Mikey, it was because of the pressure being applied by people in his own party, and from the conservative blogosphere.  Unlike you, we can be objective about Bush.  When the president does something right we support him, and when he does something wrong we criticize him.  This is how intelligent, intellectually honest people function.  You, on the other hand, are nothing more than a shit-stirrer, and no matter what Bush does you will pick the opposite of what he did and claim that was the right thing to do.  (For more on this dynamic see here.)


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Friday, September 02, 2005

Eveything Is Political

Posted by Lee on 09/02/05 at 01:51 PM

And speaking of politicizing the death and disaster along the Gulf Coast, Mikey’s got a new message out.  I’m not going to fisk the whole thing, you can go and read it for yourself.  Suffice it to say it’s nothing more than a vile attempt to use this tragedy to smear Bush and score political points.  I don’t know who the hell he thinks he’s going to convince with this type of thing. I’m sure this will play well with the radical left, but I guarantee the majority of Americans don’t feel this way.  At ant rate, check out what shitbag Moore wrote.

I especially like how, the day after the hurricane, instead of flying to Louisiana, you flew to San Diego to party with your business peeps. Don’t let people criticize you for this—after all, the hurricane was over and what the heck could you do, put your finger in the dike?

Okay, keep this comment in mind when you read this next quote.

On Day 3, when you finally left your vacation home, I have to say I was moved by how you had your Air Force One pilot descend from the clouds as you flew over New Orleans so you could catch a quick look of the disaster. Hey, I know you couldn’t stop and grab a bullhorn and stand on some rubble and act like a commander in chief. Been there done that.

The other day I spoke of how Michael Moore will always find a way to criticize Bush ex post facto by claiming that Bush should have done the opposite of whatever he ended up doing.  Here he criticizes Bush for keeping his regular schedule.  (What was he supposed to do, Mikey, stick his finger in the dike?  I’d honestly like an answer to that question.) Then he criticizes Bush for having Air Force One fly over the destruction.  Again, what was he supposed to do, Mikey?  How, exactly, do you land a 747 in an area that’s submerged in water?

So, when Bush goes to the rubble of 9/11 it’s a cynical ploy on his part.  Then, when he doesn’t go to the disaster site in Louisiana it’s because he doesn’t care.  If Bush had gone charging into Louisiana on a boat Mikey would criticize him for that.  There’s nothing, nothing that Bush does that Mikey won’t claim was wrong.  Of course, Moore won’t actually tell you what Bush should have done.  Why?  Because if Bush subsequently does it, then Mikey is on the record for it, and he’d have to agree that Bush did the right thing. 

As I said to Jim the other day, I’ve always had a grudging respect for Moore on some level.  I wouldn’t say that I like him, but he’s very good at what he does.  I imagine that a lot of Democrats have the same kind of respect for Karl Rove.  But the way that Mikey’s first instinct, before the waters had even begun to recede, was to somehow use this tragedy for his own political gain, well… there isn’t a word in the English language to describe just how disgusting this is.


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Friday, November 05, 2004

One down

Posted by JimK on 11/05/04 at 11:46 PM

SO many of you have already decimated Moore’s “17 reasons” crap, but I spotted this little tidbit and thouht it was worth pointing out.  John Cross over at Drumwaster’s has #17 all sewed up. Once again Mike tries to slip one by his sychophants.

In regards to #17:

Misnomer that a lot of people on both sides are using....yeah both guys beat Reagan’s vote total....however, let’s adjust for total population growth.

Reagan vote total = 54,451,521
United States Population (1984) = 236,581,000
Ratio = 1 voter per 4.345 citizens

Bush 2004 vote total = 59,117,523
United States current population = 294,684,886
Ratio = 1 voter per 4.985 citizens

Kerry 2004 vote total = 55,557,584
United States current population = 294,684,886
Ratio = 1 voter per 5.304 citizens

If Bush carried the same percentage of the population that Reagan did, he would have had 67,825,282 votes.

Oh my.  Now that’s a fact Moore would never want to publicize if he had the brains to think it through.  See?  He’s poison.  Too dumb to know when to keep his big mouth shut.  Thanks for the assist, Mikey!


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Friday, September 24, 2004

Counter to Moore’s latest lie

Posted by JimK on 09/24/04 at 09:38 PM

SpongeMike Sweatpants’ new message is all about how Kerry has never taken any position on Iraq except believing President Bush.

That is a lie. 

Kerry argued FOR a pre-emptive strike against Iraq AND he did it while Bill Clinton was the POTUS. Furthermore, he insulted Russia and France while doing it and implied they had a monetary concern for not supporting a pre-emptive strike.  So much for all this talk about how he would fix relations with our allies.  He never believed in the French and Russian perspective on Iraq until he decided he wanted to be President.

Can you say flip-flop?  I knew you could. 

Kerry is lying and Moore is lying.  No matter how you feel about Bush or Iraq, these lies should not be forgiven just because you agree with the political idealogy these men pretend to represent.


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Monday, September 06, 2004

Fahrenhype 911

Posted by JimK on 09/06/04 at 09:25 AM

I’m sure many of you have seen this already, but if not, this looks like it could be interesting

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You can watch the Quicktime trailer at the site, other than that there isn’t much information to be had.  Let’s just hope it’s not a right-wing version of a Moore film.  I’d love to see someone do a point-by-point refutation with accurate information and in-context quotes.

If anyone involved in the film would like us to review it, you can shoot me an email.


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Tuesday, July 20, 2004

Free Speech for the Dumb

Posted by Lee on 07/20/04 at 02:17 AM

I haven’t fisked anything Michael Moore has written lately, but this idiocy was just too good to let pass.

Bill Timmins
President
Aladdin Casino and Hotel
Las Vegas, NV

July 20, 2004

Dear Mr. Timmins:

I understand from the news reports I’ve read that, after Linda Ronstadt, one of America’s greatest singers, dedicated a song to me from your stage on Saturday night, you instructed your security guards to remove her from the Aladdin, which they did.

What country do you live in? Last time I checked, Las Vegas is still in the United States. And in the United States, we have something called “The First Amendment.” This constitutional right gives everyone here the right to say whatever they want to say. All Americans hold this right as sacred. Many of our young people put on a uniform and risk their lives to defend it. My film is all about asking the questions that should have been asked before those brave soldiers were sent into harms way.

Are left-wingers really this stupid?  I realize that they all pay lip service to the Constitution, except when they’re using it to find the right to an abortion or to justify cradle-to-grave socialism, but is Moore really this ignorant of the First Amendment, or is he counting on the ignorance of his audience?  As he does with just about everything else he ever writes or says, Moore grossly overstates the purpose and scope of the First Amendment. 

The First Amendment, along with the rest of the Bill of Rights, was proposed by Congress in 1789, to be ratified by the requisite number of states in 1791. As with the remaining Amendments of the Bill of Rights, the First Amendment was passed in order to answer protestations that the newly created Constitution did not include sufficient guarantees of civil liberties.

The First Amendment only explicitly disallows any of the rights from being abridged by Congress. Over time, however, the courts held that this extends to the executive and judicial branches. The Fourteenth Amendment went further, making abridging First Amendment rights unconstitutional for state, county, and local governments.

Note that nowhere in the First Amendment does it state that the Aladdin Casino is required to permit its employees to state anything they like on any subject on company time.  The First Amendment prohibits the government from infringing on your right to free speech, not private individuals or entities.  Linda Ronstadt still has the ability to say whatever she likes, whenever she likes, except when she’s on someone else’s dime.  Just like Whoopi Goldberg, she ran her mouth and got fired for it. 

Let’s say there’s a woman working as a cashier in a supermarket, and to every person who walks through the register she tells them how abortion is murder and how they should vote for Bush in 2004 to save the life of the unborn.  Would this be appropriate workplace behavior?  If this cashier was fired for exercising her “free speech,” would Michael Moore be making a big deal out of it on his website?  Of course not.  Linda Ronstadt ran her big, fat mouth and got tossed out of the casino.


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Thursday, July 01, 2004

More about Moore on downloading the movie

Posted by JimK on 07/01/04 at 12:25 PM

With the site problems today I haven’t had a chance to comment on the CNN story regarding the downloading of F911 and how I played a role.

First of all, I can’t believe CNN did not contact us for a comment.  That’s irresponsible reporting. (see update) And they claim we never cited a source...well, there’s always the damned video clip, eh?

Secondly, we did not host the movie.  Nor did we even host the torrent.  I *linked* the torrent , which was hosted on a public BitTorrent tracker.  If that’s illegal, then we’ve truly fallen as a society.  All I did was post a link.

Where it gets interesting is the fact that Moore himself has been very, very clear on his feelings.  The following is a transcript of the clip from that European press conference where Moore explicitly states he wants people to download the film.  I did not transcribe the “um’s and uh’s” in his speech, since we all do that and they have zero effect on the meaning or context.  Feel free to grab a copy yourself and make sure I was accurate.

Well, I don’t agree with the copyright laws and I don’t have a problem with people downloading the movie and sharing it with people.  As long they’re not doing it to make a profit off it, as long as they’re not, you know, trying to make a profit off my labor.  I would oppose that.  But um, you know I do quite well and I um...I don’t know, I make these books and movies and TV shows because I want things to change, so the more people that get to see them the better, and um, so I’m, I’m happy when that happens, OK?  Should I not be happy I don’t know?  It’s like if a friend of yours has the DVD of my movie, gave it to you to watch one night, is that person doing something wrong?  I’m not seeing any money from that.  But he’s just handing the DVD to you so that you can watch my movie.  A DVD that he bought, but you’re not buying it, yet you’re watching it without paying me any money.  See I think that’s OK, and it’s always been OK, we share things with people.  And I think information and art, ideas should be shared.

The CNN piece has an interesting idle threat in it:

Tom Ortenberg, president of Lions Gate Films Releasing, which is distributing the film with IFC Films and Harvey and Bob Weinstein’s Fellowship Adventure Group, said Wednesday that his company is exploring legal action.

“I think it’s deplorable what enemies of ‘Fahrenheit 9/11’ are doing,” he said. “We are currently looking into our legal options. We are not going to tolerate anybody trying to infringe on (this film’s release).”

Bring it on, Ortenberg.  I’ll fight you every step of the way, and I’ll go on every show in the country with that clip of your boy in tow, and make an ass out of you both.  Sue me.  I double-dog dare you.  You’ll lose, and my counter-suit will allow you to pay my mortgage off and maybe leave me something left over to restore my truck and buy a Powerbook.

You wouldn’t even get it out of deposition.  Wanna see a prediction?

Ortenberg’s lawyer - You made this copyrighted work available to the public, and as such you are responsible for a portion of lost profits from said work.

Me: Excuse me a moment.  Listen to this.  (plays clip of Moore, hands lawyer a transcript)

Ortenberg’s lawyer - One moment (confers with Ortenberg) Umm...we’ll get back to you.

Behind closed doors, your attorney explains to you haw Moore completely gave up his rights to pursue legal action, and as your agent in the public arena, he gave up YOUR rights as well.  Then he smacks you for suing some doofus in his living room for posting a link and not telling him that Moore approves of the behavior.

And I never hear from you again, Orty.

Now watch this drive, bitch.

*Update*

The story was a wire service story, hence all the reports sounding the same.  No fault of CNN, I suppose...although I still think they should have contacted us for a comment.


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Tuesday, June 29, 2004

A straight-up lie

Posted by JimK on 06/29/04 at 10:56 AM

A popular statement around MOOREWATCH from Mike’s fans is that there are no lies in F911.  Tracking down all of Moore’s claims about financial dealings will take time.  However, there is one easy-to-catch lie, and we all know about it already.  Mike himself gave us the information needed to catch him in this lie.

In the film, Michael Moore confronts Congressional Representative Mark Kennedy and asks him to help get Congress to sign up their kids for the Army, Marine Corps, etc.  Mark Kennedy looks at him funny, and there is a badly-placed jump edit right there.  Moore then moves on to asking other members of Congress, who all appear to ignore him and walk away. 

And then we get the voiceover:

“Of course, not a single member of Congress wanted to sacrifice their child for the war in Iraq.”

Look at that again.  “Of course, not a single member of Congress wanted to sacrifice their child for the war in Iraq.”

Is that factually accurate?  Let’s look at the exchange between Rep. Kennedy and Moore, which was provided by Moore himself:

CONGRESSMAN KENNEDY How are you doing?

MM: I’m trying to get members of congress to get their kids to enlist
in the army and go over to Iraq. Is there any way you could help me
with that?

CONGRESSMAN KENNEDY: How would I help you?

MM: Pass it out to other members of congress.

CONGRESSMAN KENNEDY: I’d be happy to. Especially those who voted for the war.

CONGRESSMAN KENNEDY: I have a nephew on his way to Afghanistan.

MM: Because there is only one member who has a kid over there in Iraq.
This is Corporal Henderson, he is helping me out here.

CONGRESSMAN KENNEDY: How are you, good to see you.

MM: There it is, it’s just a basic recruitment thing. Encourage
especially those who were in favor of the war to send their kids. I
appreciate it.

CONGRESSMAN KENNEDY: Okay, bye.

Well, well, well.  Look at that.  Let’s look closely at this exchange.

MM: Is there any way you could help me
with that?

CONGRESSMAN KENNEDY: How would I help you?

MM: Pass it out to other members of congress.

CONGRESSMAN KENNEDY: I’d be happy to. Especially those who voted for the war.

This exchange was edited out of the film entirely, and instead Kennedy’s meeting with Moore is lumped in with all the Congressmen that seemed to be ducking him.  Now that could be considered a lie of omission.  He made Kennedy look like all the the Congressmen who didn’t stop.

Except that Kennedy not only spoke to him, but he offered to help. He has family in the military, on who, in Kennedy’s own words, is deployed.  Not just enlisted, but deployed.  He did not say