I find it really hard to understand the apparent animosity all of you have against social democracy, or are you all wilfully misinterpreting it?
Because we believe the best person to determine how you live your life and spend your money is you, and not some government bureaucrat who thinks he knows what is best.
Before you go on a rant about the dangers of socialism, please try to understand what ‘social democracy’ means. I’m probably not the first one trying to get this message across, but I sort of feel obliged to try.
Social Democracy - freely electing socialist to govern you who then proceed to make you 100% reliant on the government so you keep electing them so you don’t lose any of your “free” programs. All while they close the free programs in remote locations and make you wait 6 months for a simple procedure that you are now going to die because of the wait.
We really don’t give two shits about your socialist garbage in your nation. The problem is that there are a bunch of morons in America that want us to be like you and talk about how great it will be. Guess what the best way to counter them is? Point out all the crap that goes on where you live, demonstrating we would still have the same (or worse) problems than we do now. So excuse me if I don’t feel sorry that you are so upset at the mocking of your glorious system.
You’re not making much sense. Apparently you’re more upset than me.
There’s plenty of other interactions as well. For example, the Pentagon isn’t just for developing the economy, it’s also for making sure that the world follows corporate friendly rules. So the linkages are quite complex.
Point is, it probably isn’t accurate to suggest that innovation and government involvement are necessarily at opposite ends of the spectrum. Or, if that’s overstating it, that government involvement stifles innovation. In a lot of cases, and including in the US, they’ve always gone hand in hand.
Both ideas are true. The US generally encourages a economic liberal system (around the world) and its powerful state sometimes stifles innovation and even free trade (at home often).... Then again, most economic liberals would see that as making perfect sense… They know powerful states abuse their power… The whole story of how most US classical liberals came to the decision that a stronger state was needed is an interesting one full of twists and turns… Some never did buy on to the project.
I particularly enjoy the statements in this thread concerning the apparent dangers of what seems to be the Communism that permeates Norwegian society. It seems like we’re all just Stalinist drones over here, ruled by the unseen hand from cradle to grave, never wanting to work, just waiting for a hand-out. Apparently we all have our Che t-shirts pulled over our eyes and our Mao-hats stuck up our asses.
I find it really hard to understand the apparent animosity all of you have against social democracy, or are you all wilfully misinterpreting it? Before you go on a rant about the dangers of socialism, please try to understand what ‘social democracy’ means. I’m probably not the first one trying to get this message across, but I sort of feel obliged to try.
I’ll check it out… and most of us know what social democracy means. We’re just not big fans… even though we know…
The social is still for “socialist” even if it means working within the political liberal system (as a compromise)… they still have a tendency to be hostile to the US (and/or to be closer to socialist opinions about affairs)… which creates hostility in return. That pimp Schröder comes to mind…
None the less, you’re generalizing (big time) yourself about the opinions here.
Last of all, what exactly is being misrepresented? The Che shirts (which is all from one person btw) or the level of services or something else?
Germany has a vast burocracy that is run by many Germans.
In my day there was nothing noble at all about being a blue collar prole; most everyone dreamed of any cushy, even anonymous office job. Turns out that having one with all the frills made my peers no less petty, selfish, greedy, paranoid, hypochondriac, humorless.
They loved their dopey Golf GTis, their women topless, their evenings drinking and praising beer, and hated kids. Nowadays they complain that the car seat for the pesky kid they had with some topless girl makes their cool cars look dopey, and vacations cost more.
Thing is creativity is stifled in Germany, and I blame that as much on their wan culture as their goverment. Lefties dye their hair and call that “creative” and “subversive” but its plain old inspid. Can’t be an artist over there without orange hair or mentioning the Holocaust in your work, cuz the arts and money for it are more or less controlled by the govt.
When the last time Germany had an international hit anyone can remember? “99 Red Balloons”, was it?
How many Norwegian exports of any kind am I exposed to daily? Thats what I’m talking about. It has nothing to do with left-wing right wing anything - what do people in Norway do with their idle time that their govt so generously provides them?
welcome Barekim
Its good to see some another euro among these rightwingernuts, who live in their own world.
they still believe europe is a big socialistic state, where all the europeans are working in big
kolkhozes, most of them never have been in europe, except biafra, who was abductet in germany as a young child and now
hates entire germany.
I ve been 2 times in norway, once with the bicycle from kristiansand to the russian border at kirkenes, 3 years ago
I did some skitouringtrip there, the norwegian people are extremely friendly and much more enlightened than
the typical american.
Maybe its their excellent healthcare system of norway which makes people much more happier than the poor americans.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_the_United_States the U.S. spends more per capita than any other nation Americans without health insurance coverage at some time during 2006 totalled about 16% of the population, or 47 million people Health insurance is expensive, and medical bills are overwhelmingly the most common reason for personal bankruptcy in the United States
How many Norwegian exports of any kind am I exposed to daily? Thats what I’m talking about. It has nothing to do with left-wing right wing anything - what do people in Norway do with their idle time that their govt so generously provides them?
None the less, you’re generalizing (big time) yourself about the opinions here.
Last of all, what exactly is being misrepresented? The Che shirts (which is all from one person btw) or the level of services or something else?
I’m sorry about the generalising, it seemed like a good idea at the time. About Che and such; I was just attempting to poke fun about the apparent belief that Norway was like a more lucky oil-producing Albania.
None the less, you’re generalizing (big time) yourself about the opinions here.
Last of all, what exactly is being misrepresented? The Che shirts (which is all from one person btw) or the level of services or something else?
I’m sorry about the generalising, it seemed like a good idea at the time. About Che and such; I was just attempting to poke fun about the apparent belief that Norway was like a more lucky oil-producing Albania.
I don’t think we (or even that one guy) think it’s anywhere near the majority of the people over there. I think you probably have about 5% who are Che T shirt types and another 10% who are fellow travelers (but sane enough to have jobs and act normal). Its pure speculation and based on using the numbers from the US (we have maybe 5% who are true lunatic leftists and another 10% who are socialist leaning / further left than social dems).
and they, and their weird protest ways, are fun… to make fun of…
PS
and Ossi is one of those Euro leftist weirdos in the 15%.
In fact, it’s quite interesting to see all of the countries with FREE!!! universal healthcare that have higher suicide rates than the U.S., which has the greediest, eeeeviliest for profit corporate run healthcare system known to man...EVER!!!
welcome Barekim
Its good to see some another euro among these rightwingernuts, who live in their own world.
they still believe europe is a big socialistic state, where all the europeans are working in big
kolkhozes, most of them never have been in europe, except biafra, who was abductet in germany as a young child and now
hates entire germany.
I ve been 2 times in norway, once with the bicycle from kristiansand to the russian border at kirkenes, 3 years ago
I did some skitouringtrip there, the norwegian people are extremely friendly and much more enlightened than
the typical american.
Maybe its their excellent healthcare system of norway which makes people much more happier than the poor americans.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_the_United_States the U.S. spends more per capita than any other nation Americans without health insurance coverage at some time during 2006 totalled about 16% of the population, or 47 million people Health insurance is expensive, and medical bills are overwhelmingly the most common reason for personal bankruptcy in the United States
Hey chuckles, you forgot FiFi and myself. I am a dual citizen. I did live under socialist rule. FiFi is dual… French/Swiss. AND, we still think that socialism DOES NOT WORK!!!!
And, apparently you’re proof that the Euro education is flawed as well! =P
In fact, it’s quite interesting to see all of the countries with FREE!!! universal healthcare that have higher suicide rates than the U.S., which has the greediest, eeeeviliest for profit corporate run healthcare system known to man...EVER!!!
I don’t think we (or even that one guy) think it’s anywhere near the majority of the people over there. I think you probably have about 5% who are Che T shirt types and another 10% who are fellow travelers (but sane enough to have jobs and act normal). Its pure speculation and based on using the numbers from the US (we have maybe 5% who are true lunatic leftists and another 10% who are socialist leaning / further left than social dems).
and they, and their weird protest ways, are fun… to make fun of…
PS
and Ossi is one of those Euro leftist weirdos in the 15%.
Yes and as a fanatic euro lefty I always wear my CCCP shirt, especially in bars and discos,
the girls really like it, you should try it.
