"Yes, because putting all power over healthcare in the hands of politicians is the way to remove corruption. ;-) “
YUP!!! YOU GOT IT.
JUST LOOK AT WHAT HAPPENED WHEN WE DE-REGULATED THE ENERGY INDUSTRY IN THE 1980’S. WE DID IT BECAUSE OF KEN LAY’S LOBBYING OF REAGAN AND BUSH IN THE 1980’S. WHAT HAPPENED THEN??? WE GOT OUT OF GOV’T OVERSIGHT OVER (ELECTRIC) ENERGY AND PUT ENERGY INTO THE HANDS OF KEN LAYS NEW COMPANY. THE NAME OF THAT COMPANY WAS ENRON. ENRON THEN RIPPED OFF STATES LIKE CALIFORNIA FOR BILLIONS OF DOLLARS, THEN DEFRAUDED ITS OWN EMPLOYEES AND SHOOK THE STOCK MARKET AS WELL WHEN THEIR CORRUPTION WAS EXPOSED.
THATS WHY I TRUST A GOV’T RUN INSURANCE SYSTEM OVER A “PROFIT AT PATIENTS COST” HMO. ENOUGH SAID. :)
Myth 1: The United States has the best health care system in the world.
Fact......US ranks 23rd in Infant mortality, 21st in life expectancy, 67th in immunizations for its citizens (right behind Botswana), and also ranks dead last of all industrialized nations in terms of largest amount of its people without health coverage (50 million people or nearly 20% of the population)....
What are your sources? How was the infant mortality rate for this country calculated, compared to other countries?
You wanted sources (that don’t come from the Bush/Cheney library) ? Try the world health organization (which the US is part of). Go to this link below and you’ll see that I was too generous...the US is no longer 21st in life expectancy, they dropped to 24th!
And if any of you numb-nuts want to get proof or refute...then you can do searches and find all this stuff in seconds. I just found 2 (non Bush influenced) sources.
And to the bozo who tried using Cuba’s infant mortality, his rationale is flawed, but even if you give Cuba to him, then there are still 20-25 countries that have better infant survival rates than ours...the so called best healthcare in the world (lol!). so explain that!!
“Yes, because putting all power over healthcare in the hands of politicians is the way to remove corruption. ;-) “
YUP!!! YOU GOT IT.
JUST LOOK AT WHAT HAPPENED WHEN WE DE-REGULATED THE ENERGY INDUSTRY IN THE 1980’S. WE DID IT BECAUSE OF KEN LAY’S LOBBYING OF REAGAN AND BUSH IN THE 1980’S. WHAT HAPPENED THEN??? WE GOT OUT OF GOV’T OVERSIGHT OVER (ELECTRIC) ENERGY AND PUT ENERGY INTO THE HANDS OF KEN LAYS NEW COMPANY. THE NAME OF THAT COMPANY WAS ENRON. ENRON THEN RIPPED OFF STATES LIKE CALIFORNIA FOR BILLIONS OF DOLLARS, THEN DEFRAUDED ITS OWN EMPLOYEES AND SHOOK THE STOCK MARKET AS WELL WHEN THEIR CORRUPTION WAS EXPOSED.
How are US Presidents Reagan (terms: 1981-1989) and Bush (term: 1989-1993) related to California’s poorly thought-out deregulation in 1996?
THATS WHY I TRUST A GOV’T RUN INSURANCE SYSTEM OVER A “PROFIT AT PATIENTS COST” HMO. ENOUGH SAID. :)
Well shoot, if we’re gonna add our own silly vilifications-in-quotes in front of the target of our disdain, there’s no longer any need to back anything up, right? This just got a lot easier.
Only allowed to post after 10 “censored” replies???
Wow, freedom of speech control at it’s best. Now that’s right out of the communist mode...maybe from the ex Soviet model or even Red China?
Whatever jerk.
Your myths are myths themselves.
I’m not going to be buried with paperwork and take the time to respond to each. Its easier to throw out a bogus claim than to refute it.
Pick one, or two, that you think are the most important.... or even your strongest point/s and we’ll address it.
CM already made some good points about infant mortality… I’d just add, I’m not sure I’d buy any figure from a closed society where doctors can be pressured to not count infant deaths as such (when they have accounting fudge factors available, like under a certain length or weight).... speaking of soviet models and red china… or cuba…
The infant mortality one is dumb. Even if all that rationale about Cuba is true, how about the other 20-plus countries that beat out the US.
But if you “Bush-Bots” or Rush Bimbo fans want more proof, got to this link, and then do some searches on your own, instead of burying your heads in the sand.
You wanted sources (that don’t come from the Bush/Cheney library) ? Try the world health organization (which the US is part of). Go to this link below and you’ll see that I was too generous...the US is no longer 21st in life expectancy, they dropped to 24th!
Clearly you missed CM’s entire post on the first page. Missed it, or ignored it. And I caution you to be careful what you assume about him.
Where should our infant mortality rank and why?
And if any of you numb-nuts want to get proof or refute...then you can do searches and find all this stuff in seconds. I just found 2 (non Bush influenced) sources.
And to the bozo who tried using Cuba’s infant mortality, his rationale is flawed, but even if you give Cuba to him, then there are still 20-25 countries that have better infant survival rates than ours...the so called best healthcare in the world (lol!). so explain that!!
“Numb-nuts?” “Bozo?” Who are you trying to impress, third-graders? So far, you’re not impressing anybody here.
And for being an “independent registered Republican” your Bush/Cheney-phobia smacks of DU or Kos. But at least you didn’t compare us to Commies. Oops!
But if you “Bush-Bots” or Rush Bimbo fans want more proof, got to this link, and then do some searches on your own, instead of burying your heads in the sand.
You come to a site that challenges Moore on very important topics and accuse us of burying our heads in the sand??? “Numb nuts”, “Bozo”, “Bush-Bots”, “Rush Bimbo”? I bet you’d have thrown a fit if somebody had called you a “Mooreon” off the bat. Oh well. Our expectations are low at this point anyhow.
“Yes, because putting all power over healthcare in the hands of politicians is the way to remove corruption. ;-) “
YUP!!! YOU GOT IT.
JUST LOOK AT WHAT HAPPENED WHEN WE DE-REGULATED THE ENERGY INDUSTRY IN THE 1980’S. WE DID IT BECAUSE OF KEN LAY’S LOBBYING OF REAGAN AND BUSH IN THE 1980’S. WHAT HAPPENED THEN??? WE GOT OUT OF GOV’T OVERSIGHT OVER (ELECTRIC) ENERGY AND PUT ENERGY INTO THE HANDS OF KEN LAYS NEW COMPANY. THE NAME OF THAT COMPANY WAS ENRON. ENRON THEN RIPPED OFF STATES LIKE CALIFORNIA FOR BILLIONS OF DOLLARS, THEN DEFRAUDED ITS OWN EMPLOYEES AND SHOOK THE STOCK MARKET AS WELL WHEN THEIR CORRUPTION WAS EXPOSED.
How are US Presidents Reagan (terms: 1981-1989) and Bush (term: 1989-1993) related to California’s poorly thought-out deregulation in 1996?
THATS WHY I TRUST A GOV’T RUN INSURANCE SYSTEM OVER A “PROFIT AT PATIENTS COST” HMO. ENOUGH SAID. :)
Well shoot, if we’re gonna add our own silly vilifications-in-quotes in front of the target of our disdain, there’s no longer any need to back anything up, right? This just got a lot easier.
AND YOU DON’T HAVE TO SHOUT!
Check out this link about deregulation during the Reagan/Bush I years and how ENRON manipulated California’s price caps that were set up to PROTECT ITS OWN CITIZENS. And sorry for shouting, but sometimes you have to shout for thick-headed people to hear. But this is all a deviated pathway to what we are really talking about...namely Universal Health Care.
]"Numb-nuts?" “Bozo?” Who are you trying to impress, third-graders? So far, you’re not impressing anybody here.
And for being an “independent registered Republican” your Bush/Cheney-phobia smacks of DU or Kos. But at least you didn’t compare us to Commies. Oops
I guess you have no worthwhile response to why over 20 other countries (not including Cuba) have better infant mortality rates? Not to mention better life expectancy (US just dropped to 24th in world rankings from WHO study that is easily found online).
Commando, you do realize that moore stated, in the same sentence, that politicians created the healthcare crisis in the U.S. and that he trusts the same guvment to fix it. You see the absurdity of that, don’t you, that it’s insane to believe that the people who created the problem are the only ones who can fix it?
By the way, if you’re so concerned about free speech, why don’t you post on moore’s site?
Commando, you do realize that moore stated, in the same sentence, that politicians created the healthcare crisis in the U.S. and that he trusts the same guvment to fix it. You see the absurdity of that, don’t you, that it’s insane to believe that the people who created the problem are the only ones who can fix it?
By the way, if you’re so concerned about free speech, why don’t you post on moore’s site?
Crichton, you quote Moore...but are you taking it out of context? You are if you did not see “Sicko”.
BTW...the politicians that created the corrupt HMO’s were no other than Tricky Dick Nixon and his corrupt aide Halderman.
And politicians like Sam Brownback, and most other corrupt senators/congressmen get lobby $$ from these HMO’s to keep the current crappy system in place.
Having a gov’t run insurance company would eliminate the HMO’s and their corrupt lobby money.
Check out this link about deregulation during the Reagan/Bush I years and how ENRON manipulated California’s price caps that were set up to PROTECT ITS OWN CITIZENS. And sorry for shouting, but sometimes you have to shout for thick-headed people to hear. But this is all a deviated pathway to what we are really talking about...namely Universal Health Care.
You’re still not impressing us. At the very top of that link:
Enron is a case study in the dangers that will inevitably arise when unrestrained corporate greed is joined
at the hip with the legalized bribery and influence-peddling that passes for government these days. - NYT
I have serious problems with bribery and influence-peddling. Deregulation doesn’t make bribery or influence peddling legal or ethical.
]"Numb-nuts?" “Bozo?” Who are you trying to impress, third-graders? So far, you’re not impressing anybody here.
And for being an “independent registered Republican” your Bush/Cheney-phobia smacks of DU or Kos. But at least you didn’t compare us to Commies. Oops
I guess you have no worthwhile response to why over 20 other countries (not including Cuba) have better infant mortality rates? Not to mention better life expectancy (US just dropped to 24th in world rankings from WHO study that is easily found online).
I’m still wondering if you’ll read CM’s post about infant mortality stats and when you’ll state what our infant mortality rate (and now life expectancy) should be. And I expect you to do it without insulting the other 20-24 countries that are not the US.
BTW...the politicians that created the corrupt HMO’s were no other than
...The democratic controlled congress of the 70’s. Oh you don’t like that having pointed out do you commando? The fact that the laws that created hmo’s were made in a congress full of the people you’d happily blow.
BTW...the politicians that created the corrupt HMO’s were no other than
...The democratic controlled congress of the 70’s. Oh you don’t like that having pointed out do you commando? The fact that the laws that created hmo’s were made in a congress full of the people you’d happily blow.
BTW...the politicians that created the corrupt HMO’s were no other than
...The democratic controlled congress of the 70’s. Oh you don’t like that having pointed out do you commando? The fact that the laws that created hmo’s were made in a congress full of the people you’d happily blow.
But...but he said he’s still a registered Republican! He wouldn’t misrepresent himself on an anonymous political forum, would he??? ;)
