Well I can’t seem to find any evidence that supports these accusations against Michael Moore. Do you actually think he has stock in Halliburton? That, to me, is rediculous and I think most right-thinking people know that. I’m not just saying this because he denied it at the Wellstone Memorial and in other instances, but the very notion is insane. If he does have DIRECT relations with Halliburton, I’d be amazed. But I think we both know it’s not true. It’s speculation, the very thing you critisize Moore for on this website. You should give the benefit of the doubt to him just like you would to anybody.
Does trying to not make payments count as union-busting?
Conversations with some dozen former employees turn up such descriptions of Moore as “mercurial,” “demanding,” “paranoid,” and a “fork-tongued manipulator” who is “totally disingenuous” and “feeds on people’s insecurities.” Former TV Nation staffers compare their working conditions to “a sweatshop,” a “repressive police state,” “indentured servitude,” and a “concentration camp.” One former staffer says, “Most people hated Michael, not because he was a perfectionist, but because he was an a--hole.” A former producer, casting about for a despot appropriately “large, with gluttonous appetites--not just ruthless, but sadistic,” finally compares a stint with Moore to “working for Idi Amin--without the laughs.” Another staffer simply states, “My parents want him dead.”
Former employees tell tales of random firings, of no health benefits, of having to crank out daily story-idea quotas that often went unread. Like a surly bear, Moore required gentle care and regular feeding. He often ate in front of staffers held hostage well into the night, their stomachs rumbling as he gorged on chocolate confections and Chinese takeout. They tell stories of Moore’s fighting “tooth and nail to try to avoid paying writers in the Writers Guild”; of his threatening to fire the assistant who sent a yellow cab instead of a limo to retrieve him from the airport; of his pouting in his office for hours in the middle of shoots and making assistants cover the windows with tape so he couldn’t be seen.
By the way, Haliburton is in another thread. Why don’t we keep it there?
If you want to see Moore’s own signed Schedule D declaring his capital gains and losses where his stock ownership is listed, it’s emblazoned on the cover of Peter Schweizer’s book, “Do As I Say (Not As I Do): Profiles in Liberal Hypocrisy.” On it, you will find that Moore owns plenty of stock despite saying he doesn’t own any stock at all, including 2000 shares of Halliburton.
And where’s the evidence for any of these accusations?
If you go after Moore for being a liar and saying things without proof etc., then you should apply those same standards to yourself and realise there’s not a shred of evidence for anything you just posted there. The article reads like something from “MTV Breaking News” or one of those “women’s” magazines that talk about other peoples lives.
“Conversations with some dozen former employees turn up such descriptions of Moore as “mercurial,” “demanding,” “paranoid,” and a “fork-tongued manipulator” who is “totally disingenuous” and “feeds on people’s insecurities.”
If these things were indeed said by people who worked with or for Moore, eh....there’s lots of people all over the world (billions of them) who would say these kinds of things about their boss. Never mind the fact that Moore made Fahrenheit 9/11 and these people are probably just right-wingers with military in their family who are hypocritical and in denial—so of course they’re gonna badmouth Moore. This is all salad dressing stuff. Gossip and name calling not worthy of strict attention. The fact that this is all you have on Moore is lame and sad.
“Former TV Nation staffers compare their working conditions to “a sweatshop,” a “repressive police state,” “indentured servitude,” and a “concentration camp.” One former staffer says, “Most people hated Michael, not because he was a perfectionist, but because he was an a--hole.” A former producer, casting about for a despot appropriately “large, with gluttonous appetites--not just ruthless, but sadistic,” finally compares a stint with Moore to “working for Idi Amin--without the laughs.” Another staffer simply states, “My parents want him dead.”
A sweatshop? A repressive police state? Doesn’t sound like the Michael Moore I know. If these things were indeed said by people, where’s the evidence and not only that, why not check out the commentary for Bowling For Columbine. Moore let his interns do the commentary. That sounds very nice of him and non-egotistical in a way. Doesn’t sound like a repressive police state to me or a sweatshop. This stuff is laughable and you know it. You have nothing to go on here so you resort to personal attacks. Nothing based on fact here so your entire argument collapses around this very premise.
“They tell stories of Moore’s fighting “tooth and nail to try to avoid paying writers in the Writers Guild”
Superfluous and unfounded claim. Where’s your evidence? There is none because you’d like to believe anything that is said about Moore that is negative.
I heard that you JohnReb once threw a toilet bowl threw your neighbours window. Now this is disgusting behaviour.
Well I can’t seem to find any evidence that supports these accusations against Michael Moore. Do you actually think he has stock in Halliburton? That, to me, is rediculous and I think most right-thinking people know that. I’m not just saying this because he denied it at the Wellstone Memorial and in other instances, but the very notion is insane. If he does have DIRECT relations with Halliburton, I’d be amazed. But I think we both know it’s not true. It’s speculation, the very thing you critisize Moore for on this website. You should give the benefit of the doubt to him just like you would to anybody.
That’s a link to the taxes for Mikey’s foundation (a tax shelter… GASP!) that he set up to hide some of his newfound wealth after the success of “Roger and Me”. Look at the oficers of the foundation (page 6). President Michael Moore. Notice that there are only three employees. The purchase of stock had to be authorized by someone… Scroll down to pages 17 and 18… Halliburton, Pfizer, Honeywell, Merck, Boeing, Eli Lilly… all those stocks were sold by Moore’s foundation in 2000. Now, I will grant you that he did not own them personally (that I can prove), however, why would he authorize his foundation that is using money that he put into to purchase those stocks? If he’s the champion of the little guy, who thinks the rich should pay more than their fair share, why does he have a tax shelter like this anyway? And I find it incredibly hard to believe that he owns now stocks whatsoever. No mutual funds? What does he do with his multi-millions? Banks can only insure $100,000 of your account…
If you want to have an honest discussion, I’m open to it, but you have to be open as well. I’m not blind to the faults of this administration, nor am I blind to the accomplishments. So let’s have an honest discussion; something that Moore is incapable of doing.
And where’s the evidence for any of these accusations?
If you go after Moore for being a liar and saying things without proof etc., then you should apply those same standards to yourself and realise there’s not a shred of evidence for anything you just posted there. The article reads like something from “MTV Breaking News” or one of those “women’s” magazines that talk about other peoples lives.
“Conversations with some dozen former employees turn up such descriptions of Moore as “mercurial,” “demanding,” “paranoid,” and a “fork-tongued manipulator” who is “totally disingenuous” and “feeds on people’s insecurities.”
If these things were indeed said by people who worked with or for Moore, eh....there’s lots of people all over the world (billions of them) who would say these kinds of things about their boss. Never mind the fact that Moore made Fahrenheit 9/11 and these people are probably just right-wingers with military in their family who are hypocritical and in denial—so of course they’re gonna badmouth Moore. This is all salad dressing stuff. Gossip and name calling not worthy of strict attention. The fact that this is all you have on Moore is lame and sad.
“Former TV Nation staffers compare their working conditions to “a sweatshop,” a “repressive police state,” “indentured servitude,” and a “concentration camp.” One former staffer says, “Most people hated Michael, not because he was a perfectionist, but because he was an a--hole.” A former producer, casting about for a despot appropriately “large, with gluttonous appetites--not just ruthless, but sadistic,” finally compares a stint with Moore to “working for Idi Amin--without the laughs.” Another staffer simply states, “My parents want him dead.”
A sweatshop? A repressive police state? Doesn’t sound like the Michael Moore I know. If these things were indeed said by people, where’s the evidence and not only that, why not check out the commentary for Bowling For Columbine. Moore let his interns do the commentary. That sounds very nice of him and non-egotistical in a way. Doesn’t sound like a repressive police state to me or a sweatshop. This stuff is laughable and you know it. You have nothing to go on here so you resort to personal attacks. Nothing based on fact here so your entire argument collapses around this very premise.
“They tell stories of Moore’s fighting “tooth and nail to try to avoid paying writers in the Writers Guild”
Superfluous and unfounded claim. Where’s your evidence? There is none because you’d like to believe anything that is said about Moore that is negative.
I heard that you JohnReb once threw a toilet bowl threw your neighbours window. Now this is disgusting behaviour.
I’m sorry, what personal attacks? All I did was point to an article, one of several, commenting on how poorly Moore treated his employees as described by those same employees. That you decided they “are probably just right-wingers with military in their family who are hypocritical and in denial” is pretty much the rhetorical equivalent of covering your ears and yelling “I can’t hear you”. Surely you can, since you don’t believe my sources, counter them with similar stories on his popularity with his employees.
You say thier descripions don’t “sound like the Michael Moore I know” which leads to the obvious question, what Michael Moore do you know? Are you claiming your awareness of the public persona of Moore is sufficent to discredit the claims of those who worked for him or do you have an actual relationshiip with him of some kind that would expose you to more of his traits than those quoted?
And where’s the evidence for any of these accusations?
If you go after Moore for being a liar and saying things without proof etc., then you should apply those same standards to yourself and realise there’s not a shred of evidence for anything you just posted there. The article reads like something from “MTV Breaking News” or one of those “women’s” magazines that talk about other peoples lives.
“Conversations with some dozen former employees turn up such descriptions of Moore as “mercurial,” “demanding,” “paranoid,” and a “fork-tongued manipulator” who is “totally disingenuous” and “feeds on people’s insecurities.”
If these things were indeed said by people who worked with or for Moore, eh....there’s lots of people all over the world (billions of them) who would say these kinds of things about their boss. Never mind the fact that Moore made Fahrenheit 9/11 and these people are probably just right-wingers with military in their family who are hypocritical and in denial—so of course they’re gonna badmouth Moore. This is all salad dressing stuff. Gossip and name calling not worthy of strict attention. The fact that this is all you have on Moore is lame and sad.
“Former TV Nation staffers compare their working conditions to “a sweatshop,” a “repressive police state,” “indentured servitude,” and a “concentration camp.” One former staffer says, “Most people hated Michael, not because he was a perfectionist, but because he was an a--hole.” A former producer, casting about for a despot appropriately “large, with gluttonous appetites--not just ruthless, but sadistic,” finally compares a stint with Moore to “working for Idi Amin--without the laughs.” Another staffer simply states, “My parents want him dead.”
A sweatshop? A repressive police state? Doesn’t sound like the Michael Moore I know. If these things were indeed said by people, where’s the evidence and not only that, why not check out the commentary for Bowling For Columbine. Moore let his interns do the commentary. That sounds very nice of him and non-egotistical in a way. Doesn’t sound like a repressive police state to me or a sweatshop. This stuff is laughable and you know it. You have nothing to go on here so you resort to personal attacks. Nothing based on fact here so your entire argument collapses around this very premise.
“They tell stories of Moore’s fighting “tooth and nail to try to avoid paying writers in the Writers Guild”
Superfluous and unfounded claim. Where’s your evidence? There is none because you’d like to believe anything that is said about Moore that is negative.
I heard that you JohnReb once threw a toilet bowl threw your neighbours window. Now this is disgusting behaviour.
I’m sorry, what personal attacks? All I did was point to an article, one of several, commenting on how poorly Moore treated his employees as described by those same employees. That you decided they “are probably just right-wingers with military in their family who are hypocritical and in denial” is pretty much the rhetorical equivalent of covering your ears and yelling “I can’t hear you”. Surely you can, since you don’t believe my sources, counter them with similar stories on his popularity with his employees.
You say thier descripions don’t “sound like the Michael Moore I know” which leads to the obvious question, what Michael Moore do you know? Are you claiming your awareness of the public persona of Moore is sufficent to discredit the claims of those who worked for him or do you have an actual relationshiip with him of some kind that would expose you to more of his traits than those quoted?
I did counter your charges: I said that you should listen to the Bowling For Columbine commentary. It is done by a group of “lowly” interns—not in keeping with Moore’s alleged reputation of being an asshole as you claim.
I did counter your charges: I said that you should listen to the Bowling For Columbine commentary. It is done by a group of “lowly” interns—not in keeping with Moore’s alleged reputation of being an asshole as you claim.
I didn’t make the asshole claim, his ex-employees did. I don’t know him and can’t speak directly to his character.
Interns are, traditionally, unpaid labor either working as a school assignment or for work experience. Either way, they are reliant on the boss, Moore in this case, for letters of completion or referral. They are hardly going to bad mouth him. Have they said anything to defend him since they finished working for him? Since the commentary for BFC is about the movie primarily and not on working for Moore, what relevance does it have on this subject? How does it counter numerous complaints about him by actual ex-employees who no longer have a financial or other need to hold back from criticizing a boss?
