Interesting response manc...."could not care less about London”....fine words as they confirm my beliefs. As for the radio I was referring to Radio 5 Live, hardly a bastion of southern biased thinking. In fact most of that mob are being relocated to your neck of the woods in a few years. As for your response to our Olympic bid victory....well the bitterness just shines through. It’s a shame really because we were very positive when you were awarded the Commonwealth Games which I have to admit you organised and hosted with great distinction. Also that bailed your blue mob out didn’t it? A nice free stadium...or did you have to pay the local council some contribution to call it your own?
Anyway you can enjoy our new stadium next year....your more than welcome....you’ll probably take a hiding on the pitch but there is nothing new there.
Interesting response manc...."could not care less about London”....fine words as they confirm my beliefs. As for the radio I was referring to Radio 5 Live, hardly a bastion of southern biased thinking. In fact most of that mob are being relocated to your neck of the woods in a few years. As for your response to our Olympic bid victory....well the bitterness just shines through. It’s a shame really because we were very positive when you were awarded the Commonwealth Games which I have to admit you organised and hosted with great distinction. Also that bailed your blue mob out didn’t it? A nice free stadium...or did you have to pay the local council some contribution to call it your own?
Anyway you can enjoy our new stadium next year....your more than welcome....you’ll probably take a hiding on the pitch but there is nothing new there.
Are we now starting a football debate?
We lease the stadium by the way, in true northern socialist spirit it’s the communities. Unlike our neighbours who are corporate whores. I’d be more concerned about your own club, with Dein breaking up the French Mafia, first Viera, next Pires, and eventually Henry to Milan/Real. Never mind, you’ll still have Cygan and Campbell.
Well done on the Olympic bid BTW, really, well done. I am sure you were personally responsible for it, I know how you black cab drivers can influence Olympic commitees.
Yes let’s do just that. I will not go down the corporate whore road too much as we have sullied the good name of Arsenal by plastering ‘Emirates’ all over the new stadium (and that’s not me being negative to a country that is predominately Muslim) for the princely sum of 90 million quid.
Dein is a complete pain in the backside I will agree. I have never liked his self superior attitude. He used to look down his nose to us in his Roller when he passed us queuing for tickets for Arsenal games. His greasing his way to the top of the F.A. and there seems to be no stopping him.
As for the players, well Pires can go anyway as he is a shadow of the player he was last year. I won’t mention Patrick because that is too depressing and Henry...well that will be curtains....we seem to be buying junk these days and will be lucky to finish in the top three. By the way I just read a rumour on the BBC website that states Cygan is being linked to a move to City which makes you comic comment, highly ironic.
Thanks for the congratulations on my important contribution to winning the London Olympic bid. I must say I’m pretty peeved that Seb, Ken and Tony did not thank me out loud to the public at large....but there you go. I was more annoyed when they informed me that I would have to apply to be a volunteer if I want anything to do with the games. I cannot understand why they have not requested that I light the flame at the beginning of the games?
Yes let’s do just that. I will not go down the corporate whore road too much as we have sullied the good name of Arsenal by plastering ‘Emirates’ all over the new stadium (and that’s not me being negative to a country that is predominately Muslim) for the princely sum of 90 million quid.
Dein is a complete pain in the backside I will agree. I have never liked his self superior attitude. He used to look down his nose to us in his Roller when he passed us queuing for tickets for Arsenal games. His greasing his way to the top of the F.A. and there seems to be no stopping him.
As for the players, well Pires can go anyway as he is a shadow of the player he was last year. I won’t mention Patrick because that is too depressing and Henry...well that will be curtains....we seem to be buying junk these days and will be lucky to finish in the top three. By the way I just read a rumour on the BBC website that states Cygan is being linked to a move to City which makes you comic comment, highly ironic.
Thanks for the congratulations on my important contribution to winning the London Olympic bid. I must say I’m pretty peeved that Seb, Ken and Tony did not thank me out loud to the public at large....but there you go. I was more annoyed when they informed me that I would have to apply to be a volunteer if I want anything to do with the games. I cannot understand why they have not requested that I light the flame at the beginning of the games?
Cygans a centre back isn’t he? I can’t imagine why we’d buy him, with Dunne, Distin, Onohua and Richards, our defence is solid (4th best in the Prem last season), if anything we could use a right back to replace that donkey Mills. I read earlier we’ve signed Darius Vassel, and we’re sniffing round Papa Dioup at Fulham. I am with the Dioup move, he’s quality, but Vassel is a non starter.
There’s word Reyes is linked to Barca as well isn’t there? I doubt he’d go before the 31st, but it must be worrying.
Bottom line is, if Chelsea wanted to buy all the best players in the Prem, they could, which is worrying for ALL of us.
Reyes is booked for another couple of years so he is banked. Cygan was a little joke you can rest easy on that one. Sadly we still have to keep the clown within our ranks. You have a solid defence but better than that you appointed the right manager, pearce is an excellent choice and a Londoner to boot!
I knew the Chelsea situation was aproblem as soon as the russian came on board. It was acase of making hay while the sun shone. Its seems the sun is setting on our hopes. To a degree its healthy that no one club dominates and you can get too blase if you win trophies every year. However i agree with you this domination is not based solely on good management but by the fact that you have purchased every great player out there.
Hey sarge...we are just sticking two fingers up to the terrorists and getting on with our lives. Footie is one of our greatest passions. So we go a little side tracked....nobody is hurt are they?
Reyes is booked for another couple of years so he is banked. Cygan was a little joke you can rest easy on that one. Sadly we still have to keep the clown within our ranks. You have a solid defence but better than that you appointed the right manager, pearce is an excellent choice and a Londoner to boot!
I knew the Chelsea situation was aproblem as soon as the russian came on board. It was acase of making hay while the sun shone. Its seems the sun is setting on our hopes. To a degree its healthy that no one club dominates and you can get too blase if you win trophies every year. However i agree with you this domination is not based solely on good management but by the fact that you have purchased every great player out there.
Sorry, despite it being midnight on a Friday Iam still working, it’s what you get when your client is in frickin’ Oz.
We had SWP on a 4 year contract, it meant shit, contracts do these days. But I agree about Abromavich, that’s a far from healthy situation, it’s just buy the best team, a real life Panini book if you will. Depressing.
My judgement on Pearce is still out. He’s got £11M to bolster the squad, I’ll see how he buys before I cast judgement. I like his style though, he seems very professional.
And Sgt Bulldog, you’re right, this is the important stuff. Bombs are merely a distraction.
Boy do you work late?....Let’s face it these extended contract just ensure that the tranfer fee is reasonably high. As for Pearce he does lack experience but he is a far better bet than keegan.
How the hell did a liberal thinking mancunian such as your goodself discover this forum by the way?
Boy do you work late?....Let’s face it these extended contract just ensure that the tranfer fee is reasonably high. As for Pearce he does lack experience but he is a far better bet than keegan.
How the hell did a liberal thinking mancunian such as your goodself discover this forum by the way?
It’s a popular misconception, I am not a liberal, I am a moderate socialist, although some of the American fellows on here have me painted as a Libertarian......I am, frankly, confused. And what’s wrong with being a Manc? I grew up in Burnage, but now reside in sunny Cheshire.
I discovered it by accident, I work for myself, so I end up surfing a fair bit, and I stumbled across a link on another forum to a post on here, and the rest as they say is history. And yourself?
Pearce has potential, 8 games (despite doing exceptionally well, and mostly without SWP) isn’t enough to judge him. I want to see who he buys and where we are come Christmas. Management - it’s a game of 2 halves.
I’m not having a go at you manchester for being a mancunian. I have a healthy respect for you up there actually and your passion for the game of footie is second to none. You will not like to hear this but I have visited your fair city to see the Arse take on Manure at Old Trafford when it was all standing (93 I think). Im sure you may not like to hear this but when the manure fans all got up during the match when they were 1-0 down (a hilarious Rocastle classic in which he chipped schmeichel from 30 yards out. It hit the bar onto the back of the danes head and ended up in the net) and started to sing “united, United”...iI have to admit it sent shivers down my spine. Highbury wans’nt bad in the early eighties when the North Bank produced a descent noise (not like the saddo library it has now become) but that united chant was different. It had passion ridden through it that cannot be matched by any team in the south. It’s not an easy admission I can tell you but you have my respect as a people who show real passion for the game.
As for me and this forum....well I was looking up M.Moore’s sight on Google and this was underneath it so I thought i would give it a viewing. I love the thank Tony campaign they run here and decided to check out their Forums. It may suprise you but I have been a Labour supporter all my life but not beholden to any strong left wing ideals. I got peed off earlier and let a little right wing in me outta the bag....but basically I am a moderate.
Fair enough, I am moderate myself. As are most of the posters on here, when I first came on I thought it’d be a right wing lunatic asylum, but it’s not like that at all, the folks on here come on for different reasons (gun control, pro-US forces etc) and surprisingly they’re not all rabid Republicans, which kinda changed my views, and caused me to hang around.
I know this whole terrorist situation is shite, and it’s easy to get caught up in it, as is to be expected, but I grew up in racially mixed area, and a lot of the Muslim lads I knew (and still know) find this stuff abhorent, so the whole premise of blaming the whole community does leave me cold. But that’s easy for me to say, being 200 miles away in a comfy chair. (actually it ain’t that comfy).
I’ve got a season ticket at City, and I’ve been going for 25 years, I’ve been to Highbury, Stamford, White Hart Lane...pretty much all over. But too be honest the 4-1 against the Rags last season was something else. I’ve never experienced anything like it, at any sporting event, or any event at all. It was phenomenal. The best part of 50,000 people screaming. Amazing.
You can add about 250,000 arsenal voices to that result. I will add this about cultural mix, there is a huge one in London and to be honest you don’t look at skin colour at all here. There is a responsibilty here for moderate muslims to potray themselves in a positive light. I have heard some imaginative ideas such as a not in our name website as an example. Also people like Amir Khan are tremendous role models for muslim youths. All of this is useless however unless these efforts are given the oxegen of publicity and I dont see the media in this country bending over backwards to do that.
There is no question that the media seems to prefer giving a voice to the extreme muslim element that are very visible in areas of London. I love the fact that we have a huge cultural mix here. I do think however that London has lost it’s community ethic. I know the impoverished areas of London that young muslims live in and they are a disgrace considering they are positioned smack in the middle of the City and Canary Wharf. I was ecstatic about the Olympics because it would provide hope for people in those deprived areas of the east end. Where was the proposed location for the Manchester Olympic bid by the way...was it Moss side?
The bid was based pretty much on the footprint that was used for the Commonwealth games, the COMS was the ‘show stadium’, and the velodrome, aquatics centre and all associated buildings actually went forwards and were commissioned, and the Olympic Village was Owens Park Campus, which is the largest in Europe. But essentially, Manchester isn’t glamourous enough, it’s an ex-industrial northern City, we haven’t the same immediate cultural impact as London.
I don’t think it would have been wise to hold any events in Moss Side, unless it was the 100M drive-by.
I am with you on the Media, they are putting the onus on the entire Muslim community, particularly the red tops, and you can understand why young Muslim men feel threatened. I am not acting as an appoligist, I just think that unless we address why second/third generation Muslim Brits are becoming suicide bombers, we’ll never stop the problem.
Another problem is the ghetto-isation, I don’t know London, but in Manchester there’s definite ghettos, Moss Side - Afro Carribean, Rusholme - Asian, Cheatham Hill - African, Prestwich - Jewish, Levenshulme - Irish, Hale - WASPS. That’s not healthy, it doesn’t help intergration.
You seemaybe Manchester missed a chance there. I think they should have targeted places like moss side for the games. I know that this was an opportunity to sell Manchester to visitors bit i think that you really have to offer hope in areas such as that. Are any of the venues still in use from the Commonwealth Games? Surely these facilities are offering hope to people in the greater area of Manchester?
The ghettos you mention sound awful. It is starnge however that other cultures living in these ghettos do not see fit to blow themselves up on tube trains. How the hell does any kid get into a stae of mind that can make that possible? I just don’t buy this idea that it is becasue of social depravation. The must be an extremist element out there that makes that state of mind possible.
Your right on the red tops, you could almost predict that they would pull one extremist out of the bag on a daily basis. We have some right nutters down here having said that, who have for too long been allowed to voice their hate and sow the seeds in the minds of the muslim youth in London.
Funnily enough, I hate George Galloways guts but it was really impresive the way the youth of the muslim community embraced democratic means by canvasing for him with real passion. Galloway is a loon but their approach was to be admired and as a result of their efforts he defeated Oona King the sitting MP. Extremist elements nearly killed Galloway though when he was campaigning. They called him a false prophet and he had to be rescued from a right Kicking by the local Police force.
It’s a popular misconception, I am not a liberal, I am a moderate socialist, although some of the American fellows on here have me painted as a Libertarian......I am, frankly, confused.
Not libertarian, commie pinko libtard — get with the program :roll:
btw I initially posted “libtart” there..hmmm.... I think I like that… tarty libs...
Yes, there was a game called ‘Deus Ex’ a few years back, although I’ve been using this username since about 1996, so I claim I had it first. It’s short for ‘Deus Ex Machina’, which means ‘God in the Machine’, which is a literary term for an unexpected solution to a problem. I chose it when I was 12 because I liked that meaning and also because of the obvious ‘hacker’ connotations which are always appealing to a prepubescent lad. I’ve kept it ever since because I still like the original meaning and I can’t be arsed to register new emails etc.
Deus Ex though was a top game, and in a nice twist tends to have slight plot cross-overs with stuff that gets discussed here, although I think most people (including myself) don’t possess tin-foil hats.
London is a massive city and my experiences here seem to be very different from Arsenalmans (maybe because I’m a Charlton Athletic supporter ?!).
Maybe partly because I’m not a ‘Londoner’ and don’t have loyalties to any aspect of UK geography. Even in London I live in the north and work in the south and spend time in the middle.
I haven’t heard any negative feedback from ‘the north’ about London winning the Olympics. If this has come across on some talk-radio show, it’s very close to meaningless. In my experience talk-radio is populated largely by people with small minds. Internet forums like this seem to be a much better and more accurate way to gauge a range of opinion.
I have mixed feelings about the shooting at Stockwell (I was 10 minutes away at the time). Until we find out definitively who he was and what they knew and why he was shot when already restrained, it’s a little hard for me to call it. Clearly firing 5 bullets into someones head at point-blank range is at the extreme in terms of the range of available measures.
I totally think the Muslim community needs to be kept informed about tactics that the security services will be using though.
Amazing post Blues - once again your summary cannot be faulted.
Also, these were plain clothes officers - so here’s my breakdown of the situation:
Brazilian guy in Britain, walks out of a building in a thick coat, possibly because Britain is considerably colder than Brazil.
Some guys who are dressed normally run at him with guns drawn, and apparantly don’t shout anything at him.]
What would you do in a foreign city, where you don’t speak the language, when some normally dressed guys suddenly run at you with guns drawn?
