Wrong. JimK has already said he would not be any more lenient on Michael Moore.
If you don’t believe that, then we do not have much to debate.
So he’ll keep the money but he’s made a commitment to his loyal followers that he will continue to actively berate and denounce Moore.
Such a noble gesture and so worthy of your idolatry.
Rapid R - 18 June 2007 07:56 AM
He also used JimK, so it was hardly an anonymous donation of good will. Since Moore is such a kind hearted fella, let’s list all the other people he has helped with gifts of money.
Yeah, I’m sure someone who has dedicated so much of their life to constantly bitching about Moore would be the definitive authority when it comes to quoting his good deeds.
The fact is, I don’t expect anyone who hates a single man so vehemently to find any redeeming features in him. You didn’t let me down.
Being moved to anger by a website full of people you don’t know, concerned with matters that have no effect on you.
You are hasty to jump to conclusions Night. I was an active member back when Dwarfmonkey was around. But like DM I soon grew tired of the intolerance and hatred in these forums. People in here don’t want balance, they want a shared community of people who are solely devoted to hating Moore. Besides a handful of masochists, that’s exactly what they’ve got.
Sure, I could take the popular stance by preaching my hatred of everything Moore-related and get a big pat on the back from the majority of forum members. Alternatively I could be honest and say that I don’t believe Moore is the evil demon that everyone is making him out to be.
I may be alone here but I contend that heating up the debate about serious issues affecting America is a positive thing. Not everyone believes that America’s shit don’t stink.
Night - 18 June 2007 09:56 AM
And do you honestly believe Moore was trying to do something nice for JimK? Or did he use JimK as a pawn? The two are pretty mutually exclusive. It’s almost like, by putting it in his movie and using JimK in a gotcha moment at a press conference, Moore was using JimK’s problems to promote his new film.
Unlike your visionary comrades, I don’t profess to know Moore’s motives. The Moore lover would suggest altruistic behaviour, the Moore hater would like to believe it was a diabolical plan that Lex Luthor would be proud of.
Night
And do you honestly believe Moore was trying to do something nice for JimK? Or did he use JimK as a pawn? The two are pretty mutually exclusive. It’s almost like, by putting it in his movie and using JimK in a gotcha moment at a press conference, Moore was using JimK’s problems to promote his new film.
I don’t think he used JimK as much as he exploited JimK’s sick wife. He’s done it before (The Bunny Lady and the man who sold his blood in “Roger and Me” and the wheelchair bound kids in “BFC”. Hell, he exploited all of the victims of “BFC”, now that I think about it), and he’ll do it again. And sheep like Mepho will slurp it all up.
Is it just me, or does it seem like all of the Moore-Ons that have been trolling here recently have the exact same mantra against JimK (that he’s ingrateful, he should give the money back, he’s lost all credibility)? Coincidence or marching orders? You...make...the...call…
Seriously, I haven’t heard one original thought between the lot of them.
I challenge the great and all knowing Mepho to read the actual timeline of events as posted on page one of moorewatch. And after you’ve done that, come back and tell us that Jim’s never thanked moore for the money. As if you’re open-minded enough…
I challenge the great and all knowing Mepho to read the actual timeline of events as posted on page one of moorewatch. And after you’ve done that, come back and tell us that Jim’s never thanked moore for the money. As if you’re open-minded enough…
Before you spout your tiresome clichéd venom, how about you try to read my previous posts retard? Let me outline something for you.
Mephistopheles - 18 June 2007 05:24 AM
Moore does JimK a favor, JimK thanks Moore and most people in here can barely contain their outrage.
Don’t preach to me about having an open mind hypocrite. Go back to drinking your Kentish turpentine and throwing darts at your lifesize Moore poster. I hope the alcohol numbs your pain.
Moore does JimK a favor, JimK thanks Moore and most people in here can barely contain their outrage.
That’s the worst summary of anything I’ve ever read ever.
You obviously don’t read much. Let me rephrase it in a context you can appreciate.
Moore lends Jim money for his ailing wife because Moore hates Jim and wants publicity for his latest cinematic compilation of distortions and lies, when Jim realises Moore was the donor Jim thanks Moore profusely even though he still harbors hatred for the evil demon, most people in here continue to idolize JimK and vilify Moore because he is the devil incarnate and he led their idol into temptation for his own nefarious purposes.
Actually I prefer that version too, my humble apologies.
Moore lends Jim money for his ailing wife because Moore hates Jim and wants publicity for his latest cinematic compilation of distortions and lies, when Jim realises Moore was the donor Jim thanks Moore profusely even though he still harbors hatred for the evil demon, most people in here continue to idolize JimK and vilify Moore because he is the devil incarnate and he led their idol into temptation for his own nefarious purposes.
If by “hatred” you mean “disapproval”, by “idolize” you mean “defend”, by “vilify” you mean “criticize”, by “the devil incarnate” you mean “a self-publicising propagandist” and, finallly, by “idol” you mean “host”, then you are absolutely on-mark. I think I’m beginning to understand you. It’s a matter of hacking through all the silly hyperbole.
You are hasty to jump to conclusions Night. I was an active member back when Dwarfmonkey was around. But like DM I soon grew tired of the intolerance and hatred in these forums. People in here don’t want balance, they want a shared community of people who are solely devoted to hating Moore. Besides a handful of masochists, that’s exactly what they’ve got.
I have to clarify, are you referring to the Blog + comments, or the actual forums themselves, as I remember DM posted on both. If it’s the forums, then I guess we have different memories of them (and indeed a different view of them now). While it’s Moore’s work that draws people here (be it fans or opponents), the forums have never really focused around Moore, even less so now than they did before. Ignoring the front page (which I rarely comment on, so I don’t know enough about it) the people in here do welcome balance, and opposing viewpoints. Discussions so rarely involve Moore that it never matters what a person’s opinion of the filmmaker is. And although you surely know this, few here hate Moore, let alone are “solely devoted” to it.
Even the most recent poster is an example: angtro. From his original posts in the Moore forum, he moved to the General Discussion board and is part of the debate surrounding healthcare there. There’s been no intolerance or hatred to him because of his views on Moore (whatever they may be, I assume fan), and he seems to be settling into the debate nicely.
By and large, the forum has alwaysb een like that. Even back in the old forum left-wing posters were common, especially Brits such as myself, DeusXM and The Brit (also known as YawYak). While debates about Moore himself can get heated and fairly vitriolic, so little of the forum is actually dedicated to that that you can’t really judge the forum on it.
I may be alone here but I contend that heating up the debate about serious issues affecting America is a positive thing. Not everyone believes that America’s shit don’t stink.
And that is exactly what has happened. The debate has been heated up. But Moore’s methods (and his penchant for gotcha moments) were unneeded for what most people accept is a big problem. No-one here has suggested otherwise.
Sure, I could take the popular stance by preaching my hatred of everything Moore-related and get a big pat on the back from the majority of forum members. Alternatively I could be honest and say that I don’t believe Moore is the evil demon that everyone is making him out to be.
Generally anyone coming here (the forums) and preaching hatred of everything Moore-related is treated as the susipicious and idiotic practise it is. And Moore isn’t any kind of eveil demon. Devious and manipulative yes, but talented and good at what he does (even if that isn’t what the majority of his fans believe he does).
See, you’ve come in here accusing us of lots of things that you haven’t taken the time to research. I would argue the majority aren’t even annoyed by Moore’s actions towards JimK and his wife. What is annoying is people who sign up to preach how great Moore is and how idiotic we are for disagreeing. That’s where the feelings originate from.
Moore does JimK a favor, JimK thanks Moore and most people in here can barely contain their outrage.
That’s the worst summary of anything I’ve ever read ever.
You obviously don’t read much. Let me rephrase it in a context you can appreciate.
Moore lends Jim money for his ailing wife because Moore hates Jim and wants publicity for his latest cinematic compilation of distortions and lies, when Jim realises Moore was the donor Jim thanks Moore profusely even though he still harbors hatred for the evil demon, most people in here continue to idolize JimK and vilify Moore because he is the devil incarnate and he led their idol into temptation for his own nefarious purposes.
Actually I prefer that version too, my humble apologies.
You should get involved in the 99% of discussions we have here that aren’t about Moore. Use your talents to educate us.
I have to clarify, are you referring to the Blog + comments, or the actual forums themselves, as I remember DM posted on both..
It was the forums.
Night - 19 June 2007 10:54 AM
The people in here do welcome balance, and opposing viewpoints.
That’s simply a matter of opinion and my previous experience on these forums was to witness frequent unprovoked ad hominem attacks on unsuspecting Moore fans. That’s no way to educate people and given the exiguous population of Moore fans here, there’s no reason to believe anything has changed.
Night - 19 June 2007 10:54 AM
Discussions so rarely involve Moore that it never matters what a person’s opinion of the filmmaker is.
So if you rearely discuss him, is he really worth watching? More so than say, oh, the present administation? Or is the right-wing world view that the xenophobic Bush Jr and his friends have been doing a wonderful job and don’t need watching?
Night - 19 June 2007 10:54 AM
While debates about Moore himself can get heated and fairly vitriolic, so little of the forum is actually dedicated to that that you can’t really judge the forum on it.
I suspect that’s simply because Moore has been inactive lately and there’s been nothing much to discuss. <insert fitness joke here>
Night - 19 June 2007 10:54 AM
I would argue the majority aren’t even annoyed by Moore’s actions towards JimK and his wife.
Well it seems to be the general consensus from the responses I’ve read so far.
Night - 19 June 2007 10:54 AM
What is annoying is people who sign up to preach how great Moore is and how idiotic we are for disagreeing.
As annoying as being singled out for being a Moore supporter and attacked by a group of Moore detractors for daring to enter their sanctuary?
Do you ever wonder why they don’t stay long?
Clue: it’s not because of the patience and good will they are shown when they join the forum.
