Then again, Jim could have avoided it by not taking the money. He could reduce it by paying the money back right now.
I no longer buy the “who would turn down $12,000” line. Fact is that many people would if it came from someone they have set thier lives against taking down. Many people would.
Like it or not, Moore makes his point here. The healthcare system is broken, as obviously seen by the insane price for JImK’s inusrance. Moore gets to help out, and in the end gets to close his film with the story.
Moore 3 Moorewatch and all of us 0.
That was my response too… if JimK wanted to turn this move around he should pledge $12k to a free speech charity (make payments… but pledge to pay the full $12k) and let Moore know this is where his gift went.
Perhaps, you missed the part where his wife always had coverage. The only thing that might have disappeared is Moorewatch, and even that is debatable.
I am not sure he owes Moore anything. I owe a great deal of money for sending my wife and daughter to China for treatment. People are throwing fund raisers for us. I certainly don’t expect to be in debt to them for the rest of my life for donating, otherwise I would refuse it. I am fairly sure they don’t see it that way either. I would also be pissed if they tried to use this as an example of our “broken” health care. We happened to be in a unique situation. I still could have paid the money back for the trip on my own. It just would have taken longer. Moore didn’t kill anybody or sell drugs for the money (peddling BS is another natter, but not illegal, just unethical) and I would like to see some examples of people refusing donations , since it happens “all the time.” I could see the NAACP refusing money from the KKK, but why would they donate in the first place? JimK and Michael Moore are not as far apart on the spectrum as the KKK and the NAACP. I would take the money and use it to legally harass the KKK, but that is just me and my opinion.
Then again, Jim could have avoided it by not taking the money. He could reduce it by paying the money back right now.
I no longer buy the “who would turn down $12,000” line. Fact is that many people would if it came from someone they have set thier lives against taking down. Many people would.
Like it or not, Moore makes his point here. The healthcare system is broken, as obviously seen by the insane price for JImK’s inusrance. Moore gets to help out, and in the end gets to close his film with the story.
Moore 3 Moorewatch and all of us 0.
That was my response too… if JimK wanted to turn this move around he should pledge $12k to a free speech charity (make payments… but pledge to pay the full $12k) and let Moore know this is where his gift went.
That would look like exactly what it is, damage control.
I hope you are never in that situation, it changes your viewpoints. He hasn’t “set his life against Moore” it is what Moore does that JimK doesn’t like and he has one website, of several, where that is the main theme. If money is donated, freely given, it doesn’t need to be repaid. Moore pretended to freely give the money , when in fact, it was a calculated kick in the groin to a nemesis who is having real life problems. That is reprehensible behavior.
The Health care system is not broken, especially when compared to other countries. Any system designed to address issues of every person in the U.S. is going to have problems. Let’s use income tax as an example. I move up into another tax bracket and pay more taxes then a guy who made 100 dollars less than me. My point is no system will handle everyone fairly and there will always be examples. For every example Moore gives, I could find hundreds of example where it did work out. Canada does have socialized Medicine, yet we still hear horror stories. Why is that? Their system must be broken.
I don’t feel like working 7 months out of the year for the gov’t because somebody who doesn’t want to work wants free health care, but that is just me. Next we will say people shouldn’t have to worry about working for a living either, that is unfair.
If anything it seems JimKs argument was he choose to accept help from a supporter / someone in his online ‘community’ who could afford...and wanted to… help, before going to the government… which, in his mind, was the more principled move (for the reasons you mention, he didn’t want to be ‘that guy’ )… but that he was set up.
Perhaps, you missed the part where his wife always had coverage. The only thing that might have disappeared is Moorewatch, and even that is debatable.
I am not sure he owes Moore anything.
He doesn’t owe Moore anything. I’d say its more an honor thing. Like, you made me loose face with this blood money (being you are an Iraqi war profiteer) that you gave me in bad faith… so I’m donating it to charity… one that you probably don’t like…
He can also make a point, like Moore did by giving him ‘help’… that help often only ends up causing the helped to have more disposable income. Give someone food stamps and they may end up with $100 shoes. Give JimK insurance help and he gives your money to a charity.
Then again, Jim could have avoided it by not taking the money. He could reduce it by paying the money back right now.
I no longer buy the “who would turn down $12,000” line. Fact is that many people would if it came from someone they have set thier lives against taking down. Many people would.
Like it or not, Moore makes his point here. The healthcare system is broken, as obviously seen by the insane price for JImK’s inusrance. Moore gets to help out, and in the end gets to close his film with the story.
Moore 3 Moorewatch and all of us 0.
That was my response too… if JimK wanted to turn this move around he should pledge $12k to a free speech charity (make payments… but pledge to pay the full $12k) and let Moore know this is where his gift went.
That would look like exactly what it is, damage control.
Whats Moore’s stunt look like (his fans and suck ups in the press aside)?
Then again, Jim could have avoided it by not taking the money. He could reduce it by paying the money back right now.
I no longer buy the “who would turn down $12,000” line. Fact is that many people would if it came from someone they have set thier lives against taking down. Many people would.
Like it or not, Moore makes his point here. The healthcare system is broken, as obviously seen by the insane price for JImK’s inusrance. Moore gets to help out, and in the end gets to close his film with the story.
Moore 3 Moorewatch and all of us 0.
Why would JimK have not taken the money? He only found out it was from Moore a year later.
And continuing on, how could he pay the money back right now? It has all been spent. Maybe he could save up, but that is going to take a long long time, and that isn’t going to stop the criticism now.
All your points are kinda moot. He had no reason to turn it down, and he can’t just pay it back right now, or donate it to somewhere else. He didn’t accept $12,000 from his arch enemy. He accepted it from an anonymous donor.
Look. Moore’s not exactly Hitler. He even seems to be a good guy, overall, even though he stretches the truth sometimes to make political points. If he was a neo-nazi I would understand people demanding JimK to return the money. But now he isn’t. Moore did a good deed, Jim thanked Moore. Move on already. Why is this even a story?
4 hours later and you find 4 organizations, not people that didn’t accept donations.
Thank you for trying.
I’ll even spot you time for not being on the ‘net.
What pecentile of total donations made to organizations do you think that is?
Hardly all the time and no individuals whose family are having medical problems, and they are not anonymous.
I never said it doesn’t happen, all the time seemed a bit of a stretch. Especially for a private individual with family medical problems.
I would say it isn’t a good comparison.
I would also turn down Al Gore’s DVDs. :lol:
Look. Moore’s not exactly Hitler. He even seems to be a good guy, overall, even though he stretches the truth sometimes to make political points. If he was a neo-nazi I would understand people demanding JimK to return the money. But now he isn’t. Moore did a good deed, Jim thanked Moore. Move on already. Why is this even a story?
If he was truly a good guy, the donation would have remained anonymous.
