Who typically passes acts? I’ll give you a hint, Acts are laws. You’re a moron, dumber than even nixon.
Of course you also need to learn that HMO’s are a product of the government. And you want the organization that stupidly created this (probably some of them are still there too), to have even greater control. And you’ve seen how well they did with this.
Hey Buzzie, you getting pretty mean there with the name calling. Chill bro!!
But I haven’t heard you say anything about the exchange between Nixon and his advisor when they talked about HMO’s.
Basically the Nixon tapes showed that they knew that the HMO’s were meant as a sham, where less coverage was going to be provided, and that guys who ran Kaiser were going to become “FAT CATS” with all this money funnelling thier way.
Congress (both Dems and Republicans) voted on the act...Nixon then did the final act by signing it into law.
But do me a favor...if you have any integrity...read the exchange between Nixon and his aid on HMO’s, and let me know what you think of that.
Uh I don’t really give a shit what nixon and kaiser had going on. You’re the dumbass who wants to put the organization that created that sham in complete and total control of healthcare. I don’t like HMO’s. I’d love it if they were gone. But replacing them with the government would be worse. Dumbass.
Oh c’mon, can we do this without the name calling?
But OK, I’ll bite...give me the timeline…
Look on the front page. Do your own dirty work dipshit. We can’t do it without name calling because you’re just to stupid to deserve a reasonable conversation as I will point out right here:
The fact remains that the current US system keeps 20% of people w/o coverage. Jim’s wife was one. Luckily she got helped and is now OK.
This demonstrates why you are stupid and haven’t read anything. Jim’s wife was covered. They had medical insurance. They had it before Moore offered money. They still have it now that that money is gone. At no point was she not covered. If you would actually go read that you might learn something. But you’re just a stupid little troll.
Uh I don’t really give a shit what nixon and kaiser had going on. You’re the dumbass who wants to put the organization that created that sham in complete and total control of healthcare. I don’t like HMO’s. I’d love it if they were gone. But replacing them with the government would be worse. Dumbass.
Buzzie, chill brother!!!!
Its just that you refuse to acknowledge that Nixon was behind this stuff, and mainly due to Kaisers lobbying.
That kind of lobbying is why we have the crappy care that exists today, except for 50 million who have none.
If you have any guts at all, just read the quotes by Nixon and his aide in setting up the 1973 act, and give us a “non Neanderthal” response”.
Here is that exchange (you can find it from that last link I sent.
Ehrlichman: “Edgar Kaiser is running his Permanente deal for profit. And the reason that he can … the reason he can do it … I had Edgar Kaiser come in … talk to me about this and I went into it in some depth. All the incentives are toward less medical care, because …”
President Nixon: “Fine.” [Unclear.]
Ehrlichman: “… the less care they give them, the more money they make… and the incentives run the right way”
Once again for you, you small minded simpleton. I don’t care about what nixon did. He was a crook. Nixon wasn’t the only one behind it though. It was passed by congress. HMO’s were created in essence by the government, the legislative and the executive. You are the idiot that wants that same government to be put fully in charge of healthcare after they have done something as stupid as creating HMOs.
Its like giving the guy who lost $20,000 of your money complete control of your assets. You’re a dipshit.
Hey You guys shopuld be thanking Mikey. Isn’t he the reason this website still exists?
Wasn’t this site going to go defunct because one of the administrators of it COULDN’T GET HEALTHCARE for his ailing wife, and none of you were chipping in enough $$ to help him out??
So then its Moore to the rescue, providing total coverage for his wife (Was it JimK?). Basically proving that those whining about Universal Coverage are the ones that would benefit the most.
What it proves is your and Michael Moore’s character, or complete and total lack thereof. When you give to charity you don’t go around gloating over how good a person you are, and that the recipients should be grateful for your benevolence and expect them to forthwith agree with what you and your ass-kissers do and say.
Next time I work with “Habitat for Humanity” and people I don’t like for whatever reason move into the house, I’ll post pics of them on the Web captioned: “See, CM? I told ya black folk just can’t get their shit together, at least not without my help.”
Commando, would it make any difference to you if moore sent JimK the twelve grand after the fact? Would it matter to you if in sicko, your public service mentor mixed and matched posts from moorewatch to build a falsified timeline? I’m guessing your answer is “not at all, bro, cuz Jim owes moore 12 large bro, cuz like, he saved this site and umm, healthcare should be free like the 12 grand that moore gave to save the dude’s wife.”
He goes on to say the site was in trouble “because his wife was ill, and they could no longer afford to pay for her health insurance.” Now, that’s a half-truth at best. The insurance was in place for over a year. Come hell or high water I was going to cover that. If it meant losing the site and anything else we could trim, so be it. But it wasn’t just the health insurance. It was JT’s server scam, our mortgage increase, and an increase in premiums for both health and auto insurance all at the same time that led us to a minor crisis. Of all those things, the most immediate and the easiest to lose was the dedicated server.
Let me make one thing perfectly clear: Long before Moore even considered sending a check, you, the readers of Moorewatch, as well as the readers of Right Thoughts and Right Thinking, banded together and you saved these sites. You did it, not Michael. His money never arrived until long after the sites were safely up and running again. I even said to the person who emailed me, this Google Ghost named “Nora LaVelle,” that the sites were all taken care of for the moment, and she asked if I had any other ongoing expenses. That’s when I told “her” about the insurance premiums and “she” said that my “angel” wanted to help.
This moment in the film is accompanied by one of Michael’s misleading tricks; he highlights the phrase “The sites are likely going down.” What he doesn’t tell you is that was from a whole other point in history. That blog post was NOT from the same time period as the first one he showed. It was from the period of time when we found out that JT Thompson was a con man and that he was not paying his bills, and that all of his customers were about to be terminated due to non-payment. If you stop the clip and read the surrounding text, you can see the context...something that theater-goers will never be able to do.
It’s another half-truth editing trick by Moore. Call it the “two ties” moment from Bowling For Columbine, where Moore edited together two completely different speeches to make Charleton Heston look like an uncaring monster.
He goes on to discuss how I should be able to “Have health insurance and exercise his First Amendment right to run me into the ground.” This is just a cornucopia of various posts from all different times. He goes back to December 2004, jumps to 2006, then back to 2004...it’s all edited with the Ken Burns motion technique and much of the text obscured by a dark filter with certain key phrases highlighted. Then he highlights a post I made on 4/16/2004. It was in response to one of “Mike’s Messages.” In that message, he was running down a few civilian contractors that had just been brutally murderered in Iraq. I was disgusted by his reaction then and I an just as disgusted by it now.
That’s the context of me saying “Dear Michael, Fuck you.” Again, something that theater-goers will never, ever be able to discern from the brief, carefully presented clips in the film. All it does is serve to make me look, as he did to the Bunny Lady and many others, like an unhinged loon.
And finally:
He then shows the actual check/money order thing he sent - complete with our names on display. Fair enough. I’m not exactly hiding under a rock here. he then says that he sent it anonymously. Anonymous except for that part where it’s in the movie. Oops!
The clip continues to show my thanking the “anonymous” guardian angel, and he closes by saying “His wife got better and his website is still going strong.” Another misleading statement. My wife is getting better. There is a difference, but it’s a difference that Moore could not care less about. He never asked, personally or through a representative, about my wife’s current health. He just made it up.
The line “and his website is still going strong” comes over a tight shot of a line from that post about his reaction to the deaths of the civilian contractors in Iraq. Leaving the viewers with that last impression that I’m the most ungrateful bastard who ever lived.
Of course the facts are that those words were written TWO YEARS before Michael sent that check.
Okay Commando, I know you’re a big fan of context because you accused me of taking moore’s words out of context when he was bitch slapped by Ms. Hasselback on, of all places, The View. So tell me now, is moore guilty of spinning events out of context in sicko or not?
Buzzion
Look on the front page. Do your own dirty work dipshit. We can’t do it without name calling because you’re just to stupid to deserve a reasonable conversation as I will point out right here:
Wasn’t this site going to go defunct because one of the administrators of it COULDN’T GET HEALTHCARE for his ailing wife, and none of you were chipping in enough $$ to help him out??
So then its Moore to the rescue, providing total coverage for his wife (Was it JimK?). Basically proving that those whining about Universal Coverage are the ones that would benefit the most.
*YAWN* I hope you don’t think you’re original with this line.
My God you are stupid commando. How about actually reading the real timeline of events and the actuality behind everything before you run your ignorant 12 year old mouth off.
Oh c’mon, can we do this without the name calling?
But OK, I’ll bite...give me the timeline...but even then, so what? The fact remains that the current US system keeps 20% of people w/o coverage. Jim’s wife was one. Luckily she got helped and is now OK.
What percentage would you consider acceptable? Or at least what percentage would keep you from joining a political forum, pretending to be a Republican then proceeding down the list of third-grade insults and left-wing derogatories for Republicans...OH--and finally asking for us to “do this without the name calling”?
And isn’t that the bottom line here...that we all live long, healthy lives...aka “life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness” without living in fear that disease could hit us during an “uninsured” time in our lives ?
This is the only industrialized country in the world where youhave to fear that possibility.
Complete coverage won’t ensure that “all will live long, healthy lives”. People still get sick and/or die in countries with national healthcare. I worry (a little) about getting sick even when I am insured. To me it’s about my health, not the money. I guess I’m not as materialistic.
If I, or a member of my close family, needs some fairly urgent medical attention, I’d likely bypass our national system, pay some $$$, and go private. But I like the fact that I don’t have to, and that others who can’t afford those $$$ immediately don’t have to. The problem (at least here in NZ) is that this means I’m paying twice. But again, I don’t mind that so much if it means I can get whatever quality I need, when I need it, and there is a decent system looking after those who can’t afford it.
Of course if I looked into he specific numbers, I might change my mind!
But do me a favor...if you have any integrity...read the exchange between Nixon and his aid on HMO’s, and let me know what you think of that.
Nixon was kinda of a cynic who could see through lots of crap everyday people could not (Alger, Fidel… et cetera).. as a basic trait, it helped him become president.. anyway, it was a dem congress and the people who wrote the bill were ‘good people’ lefty types who wanted it to work. Sorta like universal care. If you got me on tape I could tell you right now it will be cluster f that will make some people a lot of money (who dont deserve it). So, what does that prove? That I wrote the stupid Act / Bill to make my pals money?
If I, or a member of my close family, needs some fairly urgent medical attention, I’d likely bypass our national system, pay some $$$, and go private. But I like the fact that I don’t have to, and that others who can’t afford those $$$ immediately don’t have to.
You just fisked yourself… if you would do it, you think you have to… otherwise you wouldn’t [pay extra to] do it… you do it because you have to.
My girlfriend has a serious illness. We are still sticking to the public system. Not because it’s free, but because it’s the best there is. Through that system we get help from the best there is in Sweden. We also get free help from US and European experts. Our system picks up the bill from the use of international experts.
Our system has flaws though. There’s no denying that. Not so serious illnesses can, and often do, have waiting times. Often un-acceptable waiting times. If I would need a knee surgery I might concider going for private solutions.
