If you can’t send a legit link, then your take (and everything you said about it) are probably BS.
You mean the California Supreme Court case relating the Mychelle Williams tragedy is merely a big steaming pile of BS I just made up off the top of my head? You mean Mychelle died because Kaiser Permanente denied payment for treatment just like Mikey implied in Sicko?
See, this is the problem with folks like you . . . not enough intellectual curiosity to dig into a matter to really understand what’s going on. You’ve already proven you accept Moore’s position that health care companies routinely deny payments solely to enhance their profits, yet you don’t provide one shred of evidence to back up what you say. But, you want me to provide you with a link proving Moore is bullshitting you. Why do I get the feeling you actually enjoy being taken for a fool by Moore? Is that because he confirms your world view, and you need that confirmation? Man, are you an easy sell.
Well, yeah, I have a link. Now the question is, do you?
If I, or a member of my close family, needs some fairly urgent medical attention, I’d likely bypass our national system, pay some $$$, and go private. But I like the fact that I don’t have to, and that others who can’t afford those $$$ immediately don’t have to.
You just fisked yourself… if you would do it, you think you have to… otherwise you wouldn’t [pay extra to] do it… you do it because you have to.
Then there is the issue, why should doctors allow their rates and pay be set by the state (and probably all be the same or based more on cost of living than expertise)… as they would be de facto if the state was paying all the bills. The best doctors could quit the field or leave the country. I wouldnt allow you or the state to tell me what to work for..... thats socialism. I’d leave.
As to his comments, they are interesting but they don’t demonstrate much. The public system is the best… but would it be the best if there was room for a private system… or is it the best because it’s all there is and it’s become a public monopoly keeping new [private] entry into the marketplace… out?
We have a mixed system. If the wages offered by the public system were too low, they would lose people. But by large, they don’t. The mixed system serves as an equalizer in that regard. The public system is allowed to remit patients to private fascilities. When doing so, the public system picks up the tab.
This is how it’s supposed to work anyway. But I acknowledge that there are problems. Underfunding is one of them, inspite of our high taxes.
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But I acknowledge that there are problems. Underfunding is one of them, inspite of our high taxes.
Possibly one of the hazards of no national debt? Think about it, they’ve built a Utopia of FREE public services that even your extortian-level taxes can’t pay for, resulting in a reduced quality of services.
Then there is the issue, why should doctors allow their rates and pay be set by the state (and probably all be the same or based more on cost of living than expertise)… as they would be de facto if the state was paying all the bills. The best doctors could quit the field or leave the country. I wouldnt allow you or the state to tell me what to work for..... thats socialism. I’d leave.
Who determines what teachers get paid?
If the teacher chooses to work for the public school system, the union and particular government entity (usually city or county) they work for make the decision through collective bargaining. If they decide to work in the private sector, they negotiate their wages with the employer.
Under a single payer system there would be, effectively only one employer for the doctors.
Then there is the issue, why should doctors allow their rates and pay be set by the state (and probably all be the same or based more on cost of living than expertise)… as they would be de facto if the state was paying all the bills. The best doctors could quit the field or leave the country. I wouldnt allow you or the state to tell me what to work for..... thats socialism. I’d leave.
Who determines what teachers get paid?
I wouldn’t train for years to go into that field. Seems unfair to socialise something after someone decided to apply 10 years (re: their professional career) to train to become it. All taxation may not be theft… but doing this is a hop skip and away from slavery IMO… The state just pressing people into service for the ‘common good’ and paying what the majority thinks is fair vs a fair negotiation based on what you have to offer....
I think it would produce results much like teaching. Many of the excellent will drift away and new superior talent will avoid the field going forward. Being payed the same as the cogs and tools who don’t care… with no relation to the results you produce… intolerable IMO…
If I, or a member of my close family, needs some fairly urgent medical attention, I’d likely bypass our national system, pay some $$$, and go private. But I like the fact that I don’t have to, and that others who can’t afford those $$$ immediately don’t have to.
You just fisked yourself… if you would do it, you think you have to… otherwise you wouldn’t [pay extra to] do it… you do it because you have to.
No, might not necessarily have to.
Well, if you did do it, it would be a variation on the old ‘voting with your feet’.... obviously its a vote of no confidence in the public system.
If I, or a member of my close family, needs some fairly urgent medical attention, I’d likely bypass our national system, pay some $$$, and go private. But I like the fact that I don’t have to, and that others who can’t afford those $$$ immediately don’t have to.
You just fisked yourself… if you would do it, you think you have to… otherwise you wouldn’t [pay extra to] do it… you do it because you have to.
No, might not necessarily have to.
Well, if you did do it, it would be a variation on the old ‘voting with your feet’.... obviously its a vote of no confidence in the public system.
It would depend what it was I guess. I probably don’t know enough to make any specific guesses.
Well at least someone in American has a brain! I am re-posting this seeing that my initial was closed...freedom of speech...mmmm?
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No, your not hijacking this thread. Read / know the forum rules… live them… which would mean make the effort to take part in some conversations (which this repost of your off topic drivel was not) or don’t open threads…
PS
This is your formal warning to stop breaking the forum rules… which are stickied in the general section.
Well at least someone in American has a brain! I am re-posting this seeing that my initial was closed...freedom of speech...mmmm?
:Mod Edit
No, your not hijacking this thread. Read / know the forum rules… live them… which would mean make the effort to take part in some conversations (which this repost of your off topic drivel was not) or don’t open threads…
PS
This is your formal warning to stop breaking the forum rules… which are stickied in the general section.
Cheers
Sl0re
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If you walked into a restaurant and walked up to a large party who were sitting down talking about politics and you pulled up a chair and just starting talking, and they asked you to shut up, would you then complain about your freedom of speech being violated?
In other words, this isn’t really a public sphere, it is a semi-public sphere, whereby the administers can set the rules. If you want to take part you play by the rules. And these rules, by the way, are hardly oppressive. The 10-posts-before-you-start-a-thread rule is your opportunity to pull up a chair, listen, get a feel of the place, make a few polite contributions and generally get to know people before making assumptions about them.
And there’s really no use posting Sl0re’s message to you in the hope that we will be shocked. He is well respected around here and people appreciate the work he and the other administrators do to maintain a friendly and open atmosphere.
In fairness to curlyq, I don’t think he posted sl0res message there. I suspect that is sl0res own editing to make it clear to all why his posting was cut back and his thread locked.
Regardless of that, the rest of your points were dead on and I second them, r.j..
