If Christians spent more time being nice, rather than shoving their beliefs down peoples throats at every opportunity, yes maybe the world would be a better place. Religion has never been the domain of the masses, it is generally the realm of the marginalised, the middle class or the deranged.
Wow, a few generalized statements about all Christians.
I am one also, and I don’t recall shoving it down anybody’s throat atany opportunity.
I do not profess to have all the answers however.
So all Muslims also, maginalised, Middle class or deranged or is this exclusively a Christian thing?
If Christians spent more time being nice, rather than shoving their beliefs down peoples throats at every opportunity, yes maybe the world would be a better place. Religion has never been the domain of the masses, it is generally the real of the marinalised, the middle class or the deranged.
“...marinalised, the middle class or the deranged.” Interesting grouping there. Tell us, what does being in the middle class have to do with religion?
Here in Australia, they’re the only ones who can afford it, Hillsong and Christian City, the largest churches here in Australia are expensive places for your faith. Of course God will prosper you if you open your wallett and let the church bleed you dry.
Wow. They sound like Democrats. :P
More like Republicans actually, they think they are the only ones who are right, money is more important than justice or mercy, and they are hypocrites....apart from that, they’re a lovely group of people.
If Christians spent more time being nice, rather than shoving their beliefs down peoples throats at every opportunity, yes maybe the world would be a better place. Religion has never been the domain of the masses, it is generally the realm of the marginalised, the middle class or the deranged.
Wow, a few generalized statements about all Christians.
I am one also, and I don’t recall shoving it down anybodies throat atany opportunity.
I do not profess to have all the answers however.
So all Muslims also, marginalized, Middle class or deranged or is this exclusively a Christian thing?
I did say religion, I didn’t say Christianity
Well, I have seen many Muslims and I will have to let out “mostly middle class” (maybe by their standards, not ours).
Marginalised, and deranged seems a broad brush to describe the largest religious group in the world.
I am suddenly very afraid.
If Christians spent more time being nice, rather than shoving their beliefs down peoples throats at every opportunity, yes maybe the world would be a better place. Religion has never been the domain of the masses, it is generally the realm of the marginalised, the middle class or the deranged.
Wow, a few generalized statements about all Christians.
I am one also, and I don’t recall shoving it down anybodies throat atany opportunity.
I do not profess to have all the answers however.
So all Muslims also, marginalized, Middle class or deranged or is this exclusively a Christian thing?
I did say religion, I didn’t say Christianity
Well, I have seen many Muslims and I will have to let out “mostly middle class” (maybe by their standards, not ours).
Marginalised, and deranged seems a broad brush to describe the largest religious group in the world.
I am suddenly very afraid.
There may be a difference between faith and religion, but it’s a fine line, and not too many are able to tread it sanely most of the time.
If Christians spent more time being nice, rather than shoving their beliefs down peoples throats at every opportunity, yes maybe the world would be a better place. Religion has never been the domain of the masses, it is generally the real of the marinalised, the middle class or the deranged.
“...marinalised, the middle class or the deranged.” Interesting grouping there. Tell us, what does being in the middle class have to do with religion?
Here in Australia, they’re the only ones who can afford it, Hillsong and Christian City, the largest churches here in Australia are expensive places for your faith. Of course God will prosper you if you open your wallett and let the church bleed you dry.
Wow. They sound like Democrats. :P
More like Republicans actually, they think they are the only ones who are right, money is more important than justice or mercy, and they are hypocrites....apart from that, they’re a lovely group of people.
Another broad brush, and I was kidding. Actually, my Democratic acquantainces fit your description better (except for the money part, both sides are the same there IMO). What would I know though, I actually live here and vote, and don’t get my info from the mass media.
1. Religion has ALWAYS been the domain of the masses. Only very recently has that started to diminish as scientific advancements have removed so many mysteries that once required supernatural explanations. The very fact that you don’t know enough human history to understand that screams that you are not intellectually “tall enough for this ride.”
2. That you can say it is not the domain of the masses then cite the middle class...well...see 1.
3. I fairly well despise all the monotheisms including Christianity. But its been a long time since a Christian held a sword or gun to someones head and said convert or die… pretty much just Islam doing that now. In fact even the most annoying of them...Mormons and Jehovah’s Witnesses going door to door have never been anything but polite and pleasant even when I tell them, no thanks, I’m a heithinn.
1. Religion has ALWAYS been the domain of the masses. Only very recently has that started to diminish as scientific advancements have removed so many mysteries that once required supernatural explanations. The very fact that you don’t know enough human history to understand that screams that you are not intellectually “tall enough for this ride.”
2. That you can say it is not the domain of the masses then cite the middle class...well...see 1.
3. I fairly well despise all the monotheisms including Christianity. But its been a long time since a Christian held a sword or gun to someones head and said convert or die… pretty much just Islam doing that now. In fact even the most annoying of them...Mormons and Jehovah’s Witnesses going door to door have never been anything but polite and pleasant even when I tell them, no thanks, I’m a heithinn.
I guess if I lived in the Middle Ages I would clarify my statement, religion has never been the realm of the masses in my lifetime, sorry, I didn’t realise I had to cast my thinking back fifty to a hundred years every time I made a statement.
1. Religion has ALWAYS been the domain of the masses. Only very recently has that started to diminish as scientific advancements have removed so many mysteries that once required supernatural explanations. The very fact that you don’t know enough human history to understand that screams that you are not intellectually “tall enough for this ride.”
2. That you can say it is not the domain of the masses then cite the middle class...well...see 1.
3. I fairly well despise all the monotheisms including Christianity. But its been a long time since a Christian held a sword or gun to someones head and said convert or die… pretty much just Islam doing that now. In fact even the most annoying of them...Mormons and Jehovah’s Witnesses going door to door have never been anything but polite and pleasant even when I tell them, no thanks, I’m a heithinn.
I guess if I lived in the Middle Ages I would clarify my statement, religion has never been the realm of the masses in my lifetime, sorry, I didn’t realise I had to cast my thinking back fifty to a hundred years every time I made a statement. And twenty years spent in churches may give me some credence on this topic.
Actually religion is still the realm of the masses. Africa, Central and South America, North America, most of Europe (though gratly decreased), Russia, Middle East, India, China. Where is it not? And when you use works like “always” be prepared to have people expect that the word has meaning beyond your limited existence and scope.
Actually religion is still the realm of the masses. Africa, Central and South America, North America, most of Europe (though gratly decreased), Russia, Middle East, India, China. Where is it not? And when you use works like “always” be prepared to have people expect that the word has meaning beyond your limited existence and scope.
Sorry, but singling out Christianity for a minute, I find it difficult to believe that the majority in so called Christian countries really believe that a big fish swallowed a man, or someone walked on water, raised dead people and floated up to the sky after he died. If you read the bible, I think you will find a lot of it demands blind aquiesence, which was my original argument.
Actually religion is still the realm of the masses. Africa, Central and South America, North America, most of Europe (though gratly decreased), Russia, Middle East, India, China. Where is it not? And when you use works like “always” be prepared to have people expect that the word has meaning beyond your limited existence and scope.
Sorry, but singling out Christianity for a minute, I find it difficult to believe that the majority in so called Christian countries really believe that a big fish swallowed a man, or someone walked on water, raised dead people and floated up to the sky after he died. If you read the bible, I think you will find a lot of it demands blind aquiesence, which was my original argument.
It’s called ‘faith’, Red Star. Try this on for size. It takes more ‘faith’ to believe there is no Creator and the ridiculous concept of time going infinitely into the past than it does for me to believe in an all powerful God of creation for whom miracles are not a problem. Atheism is utterly ridiculous.
Actually religion is still the realm of the masses. Africa, Central and South America, North America, most of Europe (though gratly decreased), Russia, Middle East, India, China. Where is it not? And when you use works like “always” be prepared to have people expect that the word has meaning beyond your limited existence and scope.
Sorry, but singling out Christianity for a minute, I find it difficult to believe that the majority in so called Christian countries really believe that a big fish swallowed a man, or someone walked on water, raised dead people and floated up to the sky after he died. If you read the bible, I think you will find a lot of it demands blind aquiesence, which was my original argument.
It’s called ‘faith’, Red Star. Try this on for size. It takes more ‘faith’ to believe there is no Creator and the ridiculous concept of time going infinitely into the past than it does for me to believe in an all powerful God of creation for whom miracles are not a problem. Atheism is utterly ridiculous.
A loving compassionate God made the mess we live in now,? and you say atheism is ridiculous?Maybe He needs to pull out a few more miracles.
A loving compassionate God made the mess we live in now,? and you say atheism is ridiculous?Maybe He needs to pull out a few more miracles.
No, God didn’t make the mess. He made mankind and gave us free will. Mankind made the mess. Regardless of what religion you choose, they all make more sense than atheism.
A loving compassionate God made the mess we live in now,? and you say atheism is ridiculous?Maybe He needs to pull out a few more miracles.
No, God didn’t make the mess. He made mankind and gave us free will. Mankind made the mess. Regardless of what religion you choose, they all make more sense than atheism.
The original sin doctrine, accepted widely as a fundamental belief goes something like this, God made man with a free will, God is all knowing, He knew man would sin, and that the world would become a hell hole. He also knew that millions would suffer eternal punishment because of Adam, knowing that He went right ahead and did it anyway, yeah, makes sense to me.
Wait, who brought up bible literalism as the foundation of all society?
The middle class, marginalised and deranged who attend churches like the two I mentioned in a previous post.
Let me be more clear. Who brought it up in this thread?
Again, are you trying to tell me the majority of those in supposedly Christian countries believe in the bible?
Why would my question be telling you that?
It isn’t, that is my question
I don’t know why you asked it then, because I haven’t said anything of the sort. But I have asked you a very simple question twice in two very short posts, and you don’t seem to have the attention span to be able to answer it.
Wait, who brought up bible literalism as the foundation of all society?
The middle class, marginalised and deranged who attend churches like the two I mentioned in a previous post.
Let me be more clear. Who brought it up in this thread?
Again, are you trying to tell me the majority of those in supposedly Christian countries believe in the bible?
Why would my question be telling you that?
It isn’t, that is my question
I don’t know why you asked it then, because I haven’t said anything of the sort. But I have asked you a very simple question twice in two very short posts, and you don’t seem to have the attention span to be able to answer it.
I answered your question once, I doubt if it is my attention span in question here, are you going to answer my question?
A loving compassionate God made the mess we live in now,? and you say atheism is ridiculous?Maybe He needs to pull out a few more miracles.
No, God didn’t make the mess. He made mankind and gave us free will. Mankind made the mess. Regardless of what religion you choose, they all make more sense than atheism.
The original sin doctrine, accepted widely as a fundamental belief goes something like this, God made man with a free will, God is all knowing, He knew man would sin, and that the world would become a hell hole. He also knew that millions would suffer eternal punishment because of Adam, knowing that He went right ahead and did it anyway, yeah, makes sense to me.
Someone needs to learn to not mix theological theories together to claim a point.
And the most evangelical, preachy, in your face, “my views are the right ones,” individuals I have ever come across are atheists. Most of the evangelical christians I have met don’t start talking about their faith unless it gets brought up. Atheists though, are very quick to bring up their hatred and intolerance of religion, and how they are right and people that might actually believe in something are ignorant stooges.
Wait, who brought up bible literalism as the foundation of all society?
The middle class, marginalised and deranged who attend churches like the two I mentioned in a previous post.
Let me be more clear. Who brought it up in this thread?
Again, are you trying to tell me the majority of those in supposedly Christian countries believe in the bible?
Why would my question be telling you that?
It isn’t, that is my question
I don’t know why you asked it then, because I haven’t said anything of the sort. But I have asked you a very simple question twice in two very short posts, and you don’t seem to have the attention span to be able to answer it.
I answered your question once, I doubt if it is my attention span in question here, are you going to answer my question?
You answered the question you wanted to answer, not the question that was meant to be asked, and was literally asked after I clarified it for your benefit. It really is an easy question, and not at all philosophical.
I still don’t know why you’re asking me the question you’re asking. Quote something from me where I “tried to tell you” anything. It’s irrelevant until you do.
