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Posted: 11 December 2007 04:35 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 61 ]
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Is that better than a “You are so pathetic it’s not even funny”?

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Posted: 11 December 2007 04:38 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 62 ]
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Thank you, thank you, thank you!!! Finally people that understand what I meant. It took me 4 pages of this topic but we’re getting there! Yes Rapid R, you ARE a leader and you made me shut up, me a French woman, not because of what you said but because you showed me you actions! And again, I respect you very much and hope that God will give you the courage to stay the example that you are.
At first when I met Frenchconnection, our biggest fights were about him letting me make the decisions. It took me about a year of “no, I won’t, it’s not my job” to become the couple we are today. Of course, we talk about everything and make most decisions together, but when we disagree, he know that he can put his foot down and tell me “that’s the way it’s going to be”. Believe me or not, it’s a relieve for me, I feel protected and loved. I am sure that it’s hard to be a husband that wants to do the right thing, but I think that’s why we women have to make it easier on you by supporting you in you decisions, which means to shut up once in a while!
Anyway, I appreciate both your comments and thank you again Rapid R for being an example.

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Posted: 11 December 2007 04:40 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 63 ]
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Sethery - 11 December 2007 04:18 PM

I’ve kind of had to (re)interpret (hopefully not misinterpret) Fifi’s postings here, but I think what she’s getting at is that most men have lost the courage to be leaders when the need for leadership isn’t obvious, like in the situation of a reasonably healthy family.  They hope they can become leaders should the need arise, but there’s no way to tell if they even have it in them.  And even if they do, there’s no guarantee that the others will follow when they become a leader for the first time to face some hardship.  Rapid R clearly has the leadership that his family needs, not just in theory but in practice.  And Fifi clearly respects that.  Most of the rest of us only hope or pray that we won’t ever have the need to step up like that.

It’s not about oppressing the women.  That’s not leadership.  The funny part about this is that one’s fear of having one’s guavas kicked in actually helps make Fifi’s point.

If that’s what she meant, much of what she did say didn’t suggest it.

So what are examples of how men should be leaders more, like in the situation of a reasonably healthy family?

I presumed everyone would know that it wasn’t fear of knacker-knocking that stopped me ‘making my wife respect me’, but actual respect itself. But yeah, it sure was ironic that I said that.

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Posted: 11 December 2007 04:44 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 64 ]
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Fifi - 11 December 2007 04:38 PM

Thank you, thank you, thank you!!! Finally people that understand what I meant. It took me 4 pages of this topic but we’re getting there! Yes Rapid R, you ARE a leader and you made me shut up, me a French woman, not because of what you said but because you showed me you actions! And again, I respect you very much and hope that God will give you the courage to stay the example that you are.
At first when I met Frenchconnection, our biggest fights were about him letting me make the decisions. It took me about a year of “no, I won’t, it’s not my job” to become the couple we are today. Of course, we talk about everything and make most decisions together, but when we disagree, he know that he can put his foot down and tell me “that’s the way it’s going to be”. Believe me or not, it’s a relieve for me, I feel protected and loved. I am sure that it’s hard to be a husband that wants to do the right thing, but I think that’s why we women have to make it easier on you by supporting you in you decisions, which means to shut up once in a while!
Anyway, I appreciate both your comments and thank you again Rapid R for being an example.

I still don’t understand why there is an inherent need for the XX chromosome owner to be dominant as opposed to the owner of the XY? If a compromise cannot be reached, how does the XX chromosome owner have the deciding vote?
You’ve tried to explain how I missed your point, but this is exactly the point you are making again.

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Posted: 11 December 2007 04:44 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 65 ]
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If that’s what she meant, much of what she did say didn’t suggest it.

I didn’t know my English was so bad and I’m glad that some smart men out there can understand what I meant…

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Posted: 11 December 2007 04:49 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 66 ]
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CM - 11 December 2007 04:44 PM

Fifi - 11 December 2007 04:38 PM
Thank you, thank you, thank you!!! Finally people that understand what I meant. It took me 4 pages of this topic but we’re getting there! Yes Rapid R, you ARE a leader and you made me shut up, me a French woman, not because of what you said but because you showed me you actions! And again, I respect you very much and hope that God will give you the courage to stay the example that you are.
At first when I met Frenchconnection, our biggest fights were about him letting me make the decisions. It took me about a year of “no, I won’t, it’s not my job” to become the couple we are today. Of course, we talk about everything and make most decisions together, but when we disagree, he know that he can put his foot down and tell me “that’s the way it’s going to be”. Believe me or not, it’s a relieve for me, I feel protected and loved. I am sure that it’s hard to be a husband that wants to do the right thing, but I think that’s why we women have to make it easier on you by supporting you in you decisions, which means to shut up once in a while!
Anyway, I appreciate both your comments and thank you again Rapid R for being an example.

I still don’t understand why there is an inherent need for the XX chromosome owner to be dominant as opposed to the owner of the XY? If a compromise cannot be reached, how does the XX chromosome owner have the deciding vote?
You’ve tried to explain how I missed your point, but this is exactly the point you are making again.

Can you explain him Rapid R? My brain is tired of talking with this guy. Maybe you’ll find the right words to make him understand what being a husband means, I’m out of English words!

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Posted: 11 December 2007 04:58 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 67 ]
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It’s ok, I’ve pretty much lost interest now anyway.

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Posted: 11 December 2007 05:04 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 68 ]
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CM - 11 December 2007 04:58 PM

It’s ok, I’ve pretty much lost interest now anyway.

I’m not surprised!!!

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Posted: 11 December 2007 05:07 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 69 ]
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CM - 11 December 2007 04:58 PM
It’s ok, I’ve pretty much lost interest now anyway.

I’m not surprised!!!

I can see why you need to be put in your place though, if that helps!

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Posted: 11 December 2007 05:16 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 70 ]
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CM - 11 December 2007 04:58 PM
It’s ok, I’ve pretty much lost interest now anyway.

I’m not surprised!!!

I can see why you need to be put in your place though, if that helps!

I have no problem being put in my place when I need to but you better come to me with some good arguments and facts,...if that helps!

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Posted: 11 December 2007 05:37 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 71 ]
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Are you not equally allowed to come to me with good arguments and facts and put your foot down? Why not? Because I have a penis?

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Posted: 11 December 2007 05:42 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 72 ]
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Are you not equally allowed to come to me with good arguments and facts and put your foot down? Why not? Because I have a penis?

I don’t see why I would do that, I’m not married to you from what I remember, second, I’ve been raised to respect authority and to me, men have the authority. Didn’t you say that you were loosing interest?

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Posted: 11 December 2007 05:57 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 73 ]
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Are you not equally allowed to come to me with good arguments and facts and put your foot down? Why not? Because I have a penis?

I don’t see why I would do that, I’m not married to you from what I remember, second, I’ve been raised to respect authority and to me, men have the authority. Didn’t you say that you were loosing interest?

Ok I’ll rephrase:
Are you not equally allowed to go to frenchconnection with good arguments and facts and put your foot down? Why not? Because he has a penis?

Ah ok now we are getting down to it. Basically it comes back to exactly what I was saying - your belief system is based on patriarchy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriarchy

My interest in all things comes and goes.

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Posted: 11 December 2007 06:00 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 74 ]
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Fifi - 11 December 2007 04:38 PM
Thank you, thank you, thank you!!! Finally people that understand what I meant. It took me 4 pages of this topic but we’re getting there! Yes Rapid R, you ARE a leader and you made me shut up, me a French woman, not because of what you said but because you showed me you actions! And again, I respect you very much and hope that God will give you the courage to stay the example that you are.
At first when I met Frenchconnection, our biggest fights were about him letting me make the decisions. It took me about a year of “no, I won’t, it’s not my job” to become the couple we are today. Of course, we talk about everything and make most decisions together, but when we disagree, he know that he can put his foot down and tell me “that’s the way it’s going to be”. Believe me or not, it’s a relieve for me, I feel protected and loved. I am sure that it’s hard to be a husband that wants to do the right thing, but I think that’s why we women have to make it easier on you by supporting you in you decisions, which means to shut up once in a while!
Anyway, I appreciate both your comments and thank you again Rapid R for being an example.

I still don’t understand why there is an inherent need for the XX chromosome owner to be dominant as opposed to the owner of the XY? If a compromise cannot be reached, how does the XX chromosome owner have the deciding vote?
You’ve tried to explain how I missed your point, but this is exactly the point you are making again.

Can you explain him Rapid R? My brain is tired of talking with this guy. Maybe you’ll find the right words to make him understand what being a husband means, I’m out of English words!

I am a man so .......No! lol

You are doing fine FiFi. I couldn’t express myself at all in French.
I will say it is difficult being the strong one always, but my wife is self maintaining, except with matters concerning our daughter.
When they both went to China, I was pretty much a wreck.
Besides, she probably wishes I was more silent then strong. :D

*note to self, do not post anything to make FiFi angry*

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Posted: 11 December 2007 06:04 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 75 ]
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This section might be particularly interesting and relevant to what Fifi is saying
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriarchy#Steven_Goldberg

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