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Posted: 21 May 2008 04:25 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 26 ]
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Tripper - 21 May 2008 03:56 PM

Pre-marital sex - yes
Safe sex and respect for human life - no (IMHO)

Who should be checking and balancing the first two of those things?

When murders can get out of prison sooner than people convicted of tax evasion, I would say we are definitely showing a lack of respect for human life.  When people push to keep partial birth abortion legal, or having *invented it in the first place*, I’d say we are devaluing human life.
As to safe sex, I’d say the media and society gives mixed signals on that issue. 
As for pre-marital sex, it is difficult to deny that the majority of “unwanted” pregnancies occur outside of marriage.  Not all by any means, but a majority.  Same with STD’s.  In the past, there were really just 2 common STD’s, the other didn’t even exist yet.  Due to mutation and proliferation of these two diseases, we gained several new and nasty ones.  And this started during the illustrious ‘60s during the “Sexual Revolution” and many of the taboos against pre-marital sex fell by the wayside.
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This graph shows the hard spike in Gonorrhea rates from ‘65-’75.  My guess is the smaller spike occurred near ‘45 due to the war and soldiers contracting it while on leave and bringing it back to the States.  But don’t quote me on that.  The significant drop then occurs when safe sex started catching on and people became more educated.  However, we are still left with the lingering effects of the 60’s and 70’s in the form of new, hardier, STDs.  Therein lies the danger of pre-marital sex and the media’s love affair with it (no pun intended.)
As to who should be checking and balancing?  People themselves.  Again, we as a society have removed too many morals that have since turned out to be grounded in not just tradition, but expediency for society as a whole.

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Posted: 21 May 2008 06:10 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 27 ]
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Diogenes - 21 May 2008 03:49 AM

sl0re - 21 May 2008 12:38 AM
No, I’m going to claim the bible has a pretty specific claim as to when life begins for a fetus and it aint conception. I just can’t remember the quote, but I remember reading it…

Try giving us just few words of what you think you remember. I’ve got an exhaustive concordance, I’ll try to find it. I know Scripture pretty well, and I can’t imagine what you’re thinking of.

It had something to do with breathing or blood pumping but I thought it was specific to a baby (vs. the quotes offered up about when Adam was considered alive).

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Posted: 22 May 2008 05:36 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 28 ]
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Over on BBC News “have your say” I saw this message.

I had a termination at week 13 because the baby my hubby and I looked forward to had anencephaly (a major neural tube defect). If the baby made it to term it would either be stillborn or die soon after birth. I would not wish a condition like that on anyone, most of all my unborn child, so I took the decision to stop the pregnancy. It broke our hearts but we know it’s for the best. To the ‘abortion is evil’ brigade, not all of us are silly wee lassies; sometimes abortion is the only way forward.

Tracey, Scotland

http://newsforums.bbc.co.uk/nol/thread.jspa?forumID=4815&edition;=1&ttl;=20080522103411

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Posted: 22 May 2008 08:09 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 29 ]
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The majority of abortions are in the best interests of the child.

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Posted: 22 May 2008 01:55 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 30 ]
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mikey mikey - 22 May 2008 05:36 AM

Over on BBC News “have your say” I saw this message.

I had a termination at week 13 because the baby my hubby and I looked forward to had anencephaly (a major neural tube defect). If the baby made it to term it would either be stillborn or die soon after birth. I would not wish a condition like that on anyone, most of all my unborn child, so I took the decision to stop the pregnancy. It broke our hearts but we know it’s for the best. To the ‘abortion is evil’ brigade, not all of us are silly wee lassies; sometimes abortion is the only way forward.

Tracey, Scotland

http://newsforums.bbc.co.uk/nol/thread.jspa?forumID=4815&edition;=1&ttl;=20080522103411

I can sympathize with this woman, having to make such a decision.  That being said, I still say she’s wrong.  Obviously in this situation it will depend on your faith (if you have any) and your understanding of the situation.  There are many conditions I would not wish on people.  However, I do not murder them to make sure it is avoided, I deal with it as it comes.  I have always found it interesting how murdering your own child is more compassionate than having them die.  I sometimes wonder if the reality isn’t that it is easier for the parents, that it gives them something to hold on to.  “He may have died but at least he didn’t suffer” or something along those lines.  If that is the case, again, I can sympathize and I understand that it truly does help to find some way to give meaning to the tragedy.  But I still say she’s wrong, abortion is *not* the only way forward, except in the case of a tubal pregnancy, where there is a 100% chance of BOTH mother and child dying if it isn’t caught in time.  As a side note, the % of abortions performed for medical reasons such as this is still small compared to healthy “terminations.”

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Posted: 22 May 2008 03:20 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 31 ]
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Jim - 22 May 2008 01:55 PM

mikey mikey - 22 May 2008 05:36 AM
Over on BBC News “have your say” I saw this message.

I had a termination at week 13 because the baby my hubby and I looked forward to had anencephaly (a major neural tube defect). If the baby made it to term it would either be stillborn or die soon after birth. I would not wish a condition like that on anyone, most of all my unborn child, so I took the decision to stop the pregnancy. It broke our hearts but we know it’s for the best. To the ‘abortion is evil’ brigade, not all of us are silly wee lassies; sometimes abortion is the only way forward.

Tracey, Scotland

http://newsforums.bbc.co.uk/nol/thread.jspa?forumID=4815&edition;=1&ttl;=20080522103411

I can sympathize with this woman, having to make such a decision. That being said, I still say she’s wrong. Obviously in this situation it will depend on your faith (if you have any) and your understanding of the situation. There are many conditions I would not wish on people. However, I do not murder them to make sure it is avoided, I deal with it as it comes. I have always found it interesting how murdering your own child is more compassionate than having them die. I sometimes wonder if the reality isn’t that it is easier for the parents, that it gives them something to hold on to. “He may have died but at least he didn’t suffer” or something along those lines. If that is the case, again, I can sympathize and I understand that it truly does help to find some way to give meaning to the tragedy. But I still say she’s wrong, abortion is *not* the only way forward, except in the case of a tubal pregnancy, where there is a 100% chance of BOTH mother and child dying if it isn’t caught in time. As a side note, the % of abortions performed for medical reasons such as this is still small compared to healthy “terminations.”

Actually, ‘minuscule’ would be a more accurate word. The vast majority of all abortions are simply ‘after the fact’ birth control. A small, but significant minority are due to rape and incest pregnancies. Those due to bona fide medical concerns are a tiny fraction of the whole.

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Posted: 22 May 2008 03:56 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 32 ]
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"It takes a village to raise a child”

Seriously I don’t get why pro-abortionists and the sexually enlightened would lobby their govts to save infants more (dead than) living in barren deserts, arguing that life begins after birth, and at that point its the village’s responsibility to raise the child. The parents made a lifestyle choice to gamble with their offsprings’ health and lives. Who are we to interfere?

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