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Health and Capitalism in Communist China

Posted by Lee on 11/21/07 at 09:04 AM

As many of you may know, I recently moved from California to Beijing, China.  Today I had my tour of two of Beijing’s western medical facilities.  The first was the United Family Hospital and Clinic.  Their website is here, so take a look through it and see for yourself.  I was met by the Marketing Operations Manager (note the word “market") who gave me a guided tour of the entire facility.  A few brief points:

  • This hospital was as professional-looking as just about any US hospital I have ever been in.
  • All the rooms are private.  They have regular rooms, which are nicer than most US hospital rooms, and they have VIP rooms, which were nicer than the hotel room I stayed in for the two weeks before I found my apartment.
  • All the rooms had en suite bathrooms, and the couches all converted to beds in case family members wished to stay in the room with the patient.
  • They are a full-service hospital.  They have a neonatal intensive care unit, MRI scanners, anything you could ever need. 
  • They have a full pharmacy.  I had brought along the medications that I take to treat my OCD.  I spoke to their head pharmacist, who looked at the bottles and stated that they had every one of these drugs.  Some of the dosages the pills came in were different than the US, but getting the correct dosage wasn’t a problem, I’d just have to take two or four pills instead of one. 
  • I saw one of their maternity rooms.  Everything, from labor through to the birth and follow-up care, is done in this room.  Right down the hall is a surgical room in case a c-section is necessary.

Now, allow me to introduce a couple of the doctors.  First there’s Dr. Chickering.

Dr. Chickering is from the United States of America. He received his undergraduate degree from Yale University, his medical degree from the University of Cincinnati, and his Master of Public Health degree from Johns Hopkins School of Hygiene and Public Health.  He is dual board-certified in Emergency Medicine and Family Practice. Before coming to Beijing, Dr. Chickering worked in the Emergency Department at the Richmond VAMC where he was Clinical Assistant Professor of Medicine at the Medical College of Virginia. In addition to the United States, he has worked for prolonged periods in the Dominican Republic, Guatemala, French Cameroun, and Korea. Dr. Chickering speaks English, French, and Spanish.

Then there’s Dr. Springer, who I was briefly introduced to.

Dr. Springer is from the United States of America. He received his undergraduate degree from Amherst College in Massachusetts, United States and his medical degree from the University of Pittsburgh in Pennsylvania, United States in 1982. Dr. Springer completed his residency in Emergency Medicine at the University of Chicago where he was Chief Resident in Emergency Medicine in 1986. He also completed specialty training in Toxicology and Hyperbaric Medicine. Dr. Springer has taught Emergency Medicine in level one trauma centers in Chicago and California and was an Assistant Professor in Emergency Medicine.

Dr. Springer also has extensive international experience. He has worked in Nepal as a partner in an internationally renowned clinic supplying medical care to expatriates, and in Beijing as Chief Medical Officer at an international clinic. Dr. Springer has been involved in disaster preparedness and emergency readiness aid programs in Asia. He has also been a flight physician on two helicopter emergency services. He has a significant interest in wilderness medical care and has been an expedition physician in a number of remote sites. He ran a high altitude clinic near the base of Mt. Everest and another near Annapurna. He has published numerous papers on Emergency Medicine related topics. Dr. Springer speaks English and conversational French and German.

In other words, this isn’t some dump of a hospital.  I came away from there fully confident that they could handle any issue which may arise.  One interesting tidbit:  the maternity wards have been packed this year.  Apparently in Chinese folklore this is the Year of the Golden Pig, which is a lucky year to have babies.  Hospitals all over the country are swamped with expecting mothers, and the western hospitals are no exception.  Not only are foreigners having babies there, but the ever more affluent Chinese are choosing western medical hospitals as well.

Strange, that in a country with “free” medical care like China people would choose to pay, isn’t it?

The next facility I went to was the International SOS clinic.  You can read about their Beijing operation here.  I have a particular affinity for this company because they saved my father’s life twice.  In 1992, when he had a heart attack in Siberia in the middle of winter, they sent an air ambulance to pick him up and take him to Helsinki, Finland, the closest country with a major cardiac care unit.  (He ended up having a quadruple bypass there.) At any rate I was shown around their facility by the marketing director.  (There’s that pesky word “market” again.) They have a fully stocked pharmacy, featuring a wide range of western over-the-counter medicines, stuff like Immodium and Metamucil and Tylenol.  This facility is not on my company’s insurance plan, so I would have to buy one of their plans myself.  Before I tell you the price, allow me to quote some of their services.

With China’s growing and diversifying economy, our clinics and emergency services are also accessible to Chinese nationals. Our services will expand and continue to meet the growing demands of our members.

We help corporations analyze the cost of their medical care in China, and then work with them to develop solutions that lead to greater operational efficiencies.

At our clinics we offer standard family practice services, emergency medical services and a range of clinical services through a network of providers that is unparalleled in China today.

Each alarm center provides 24-hour hotline services to all our members when they are in China. Any problem, from lost luggage to a serious medical condition, can be reported to the alarm center, where multilingual coordinators and doctors are on duty to respond to all types of emergencies.

We have developed a network of hospitals, airlines and local authorities so that we can deliver a fast and efficient response. Through this network we support the medical staff, equipment and facilities that we provide to our clients at remote sites.

We have an exclusive agreement with the Ground and Air Force Divisions of the People’s Liberation Army (PLA), which gives us access to:

  • military aircraft enabling medical teams to reach areas in China which are out of bounds to civilian aircraft
  • military aircraft for medical transport: fixed-wing, helicopter and challenger jets under internationally supervised maintenance
  • military hospitals, many located in remote regions and often better equipped and staffed than civilian facilities.

Our alarm centers can ship medications to remote locations, provide telephone advice, and guarantee medical expenses anywhere in the country where acceptable medical resources are available.

I walked through their call center.  Sitting at terminals were men and women of every conceivable age and race, speaking every language you can imagine.  They have these call centers all over the world, and they are all linked by satellite in realtime.  The marketing director told me an example of a Malaysian client who was arrested in the Philippines after getting into a bar brawl with some townies.  He had no idea how to speak the language, but he had the number to SOS’s London call center in his phone.  He called, and was put through to a Malay speaker.  He had just gotten the basic details of his legal predicament out when the call dropped.  The London office contacted their office in Manila, who contacted the police, and located the client.  Within two hours they had obtained legal counsel for him, and shortly thereafter he was released from jail.

When was the last time your insurance company did that?  Now, the cost.  Their program named the “Individual Resident Abroad Program” costs $430 a year.  A year. By way of comparison, I am currently paying $263 a month for health insurance in the US, and it’s, shall we say, “less than stellar.”

There are a number of these types of western hospital and clinics and Beijing, and the insurance provided by my company is accepted by most of them on a direct-pay basis—I show the card and get treated for free, much like in the US.  If I go to a Chinese hospital, or to one of the other clinics, I have to pay out of pocket but I get reimbursed.  Even so, I think that for $430 I’d be a fool not to hedge my bets by signing up for one of those International SOS plans.

This, ladies and gentlemen, is how the profit motive provides the highest level of healthcare imaginable, and illustrates with amazing clarity my opposition to government-run healthcare.

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Posted by Kimpost  on  11/21/2007  at  12:51 PM (Link to this comment | )

A mixed system seems to be what most are asking for, then?. A safety net that includes all, and to which everyone contributes. And a private line for those who can afford it.

Posted by sl0re  on  11/21/2007  at  02:00 PM (Link to this comment | )

Kimpost, thats what I’d like… but to nit pick, that, on its face, is not a mixed system in my mind as the government is not running its own hospital system.

Also, the fight (with the democrats) will be over how far it should extend. They’ll want to cover as many people as they can get away with (re: well into groups that should buy their own insurance)… and once you hit a certain percentage of people with publicly purchased public insurance, you end up with more of a privately owned public utlity than a free market (re: you don’t have a market system with single payer… since the single payer dictates what they will pay).

But, if we keep it as a safty net for just those who need help, it wont be a mixed system… it will just be a free market system with a saftey net…

Posted by Kimpost  on  11/21/2007  at  04:43 PM (Link to this comment | )

But how do you determine who’s needy? Let’s say that you are given a choice to skip healthcare, by a non mandatory insurance system or what not. Then what? If the person who has so chosen gets sick, how does he or she get access?

I think it comes down to what you regard as a necessity of society. In many parts of the world healthcare is regarded as the police or the fire department. No matter what you do, or how reckless you are, you still have full access to those. The question is, should healthcare be the same? Obviously I think so, but I acknowledge that I do think so at least partly because this is what our society regard as norm. No political party here (right or left), wants to get rid of the publically financed system.

Anyway. In the western world we share one big problem regarding healthcare. Underfunding. By large that is a big problem in US, just as it is in Sweden. The problem is shared, even though we have different systems. I know that american cancer specialists are frustrated because the insurance companies supply hospitals with numbers showing just how much an extra year of life is allowed to cost. We don’t have that here. A year is allowed to cost a million dollars of tax payers money. Our problem is instead accessibility. Underfunding leads to waiting lines.

Which is better, which is worse? I don’t know. I do know that I would have a problem with a system thet excludes people by default. But waiting lines are not acceptable either.

I am not as pessimistic as most people are though. I believe that we can work longer up the years. I also recognize that we still get richer - per capita - every year. There should be money for it, in your country, and in ours.

Posted by sl0re  on  11/21/2007  at  05:13 PM (Link to this comment | )

Posted by Kimpost on 11/21/2007 at 12:43 PM (Link to this comment | )

But how do you determine who’s needy? Let’s say that you are given a choice to skip healthcare, by a non mandatory insurance system or what not. Then what? If the person who has so chosen gets sick, how does he or she get access?

The old fashion way. They get care and pay it back or don’t pay it back (and ruin their credit).

I think it comes down to what you regard as a necessity of society. In many parts of the world healthcare is regarded as the police or the fire department.

Yeah entitlement mentality. People believe what their in group believes (like in Neocons or the UN’s political branch does good) so sometimes a change in scenery is needed for perspective… Food is a necessity too. That doesn’t mean we should nationalize (and pay what ‘we’ think they are worth) the farms, food processor plants, food markets, et cetera (and then force everyone to eat the same things)… because a few can not afford it without some assistance and/or some jerks who can don’t budget enough to do so (re: those who could get insurance but fail to)… Not to mention, take control of the livelihood of all the workers in that sector (you know, I don’t care if your Harvard grad, you get paid level II surgeon… period… just like Joe who studied in the Cayman)… People that tried that had shortages of food all the time too btw… Anyway, if the democrats push too far we can just mandate people buy insurance. If they fail to, the state can buy it for them and add it to their taxes (and/or give them a discount at this time if they are needy).... I’d hate to do it, but it’s better than the health care version of the food example above… The government plan will probably suck so people will want off of it as soon as they can manage…

Posted by Belcatar  on  11/22/2007  at  12:06 AM (Link to this comment | )

Lee- I’m really interested in your impressions of China. Since all of my stuff seems to be made there, I think it would be nice to get a little first-hand information about it.

I hope you’ll be able to tell us a little bit about what it’s like over there. I’m certainly curious about it. Not that I plan to move there, or anything. Way, way too many people. Northern Maine suits me just fine.

Posted by Rapid R  on  11/22/2007  at  03:23 AM (Link to this comment | )

My wife and daughter spent a month in a Hospital in Hang Zau. She said the Hospital was very nice and the videos and pics I saw look like what Lee described.
Not to mention, they are doing much more with Stem Cells than we are here. The people stared quite a lot, they really stood out (literally). My wife was the tallest person in the entire Hospital at 5’ 11”.

Posted by Lee  on  11/22/2007  at  08:54 AM (Link to this comment | )

I hope you’ll be able to tell us a little bit about what it’s like over there.

http://www.leeinchina.com

Posted by swagger  on  11/22/2007  at  12:27 PM (Link to this comment | )

I think it comes down to what you regard as a necessity of society.

. Food
. Clothing
. Shelter

All three of those things are ABSOLUTELY needed by EVERY member of society. Unlike healthcare, which is needed sporadically by most, never by some and those needing it the most, need it only a couple of times a week (doctor visits).

If healthcare is a “necessity of society” that should be provided by the government and paid for equally by all the citizens, why shouldn’t the three items above also be “free”? How can you say that healthcare should be provided but not food? Everyone needs food. EVERYONE. Every day.

Posted by biafra  on  11/24/2007  at  02:52 PM (Link to this comment | )

In many parts of the world healthcare is regarded as the police or the fire department. No matter what you do, or how reckless you are, you still have full access to those.

Except the cops and fireman can’t overcharge, and don’t share the same costly education and expensive maintenance and evolution in technology that medicine does.
You’ll notice that cop cars and uniforms in the US aren’t all identical. Ask us why.

Posted by Englishbob  on  12/05/2007  at  09:42 PM (Link to this comment | )

Lee - I do not doubt for a second that that the profit motive provides the highest level of healthcare, I wrote a paper for my masters based on a UN report that quoted the US had the highest per capita spend on healthcare in the world (I’ll reference it for you as soon as I have the time to dig through the garage to find it).

The profit motive does create motivation, efficiency and results: just as Friedman promised. But, the same UN report quoted that the US had a RISING rate of infant mortality comparable to some places in South-East Asia, something that has been mirrored in recent US newspaper reports.

Although Moore doesn’t provide any answers to this problem through Sicko, he does raise the question ‘how can universal healthcare be provided.’

With all of the problems the US health system is facing now, how can you condone the profit motive as a solution to the continuing crisis given that universal healthcare is the goal?

Nobody gave a shit about China a few years ago, think of the hundreds of millions of underemployed Chinese who fall outside of the ‘highest level of healthcare imaginable’. Spare a thought for those who are used by the free market system rather than those who benefit from it.

Posted by Buzzion  on  12/06/2007  at  10:31 AM (Link to this comment | )

But, the same UN report quoted that the US had a RISING rate of infant mortality comparable to some places in South-East Asia, something that has been mirrored in recent US newspaper reports.

Infant mortality is a BS statistic which is not comparable in the US to other countries.  There are different standards as to what is considered a “live-birth” with the US usually having a much broader inclusion for this.

With all of the problems the US health system is facing now, how can you condone the profit motive as a solution to the continuing crisis given that universal healthcare is the goal?

Why should universal healthcare be the goal?  What if I don’t want healthcare?  Should healthcare be available to those who want it?  Yes, but it doesn’t need to be force on those who don’t.

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