Lee, spot on as usual.

It is funny that Moore can fit so many lame duck arguments into one ill-crafted letter:
1.  The war in Iraq
2.  Debatable environmental theories
3.  The race card (note the irony of a fat, rich, white man playing said card)
4.  His disrespect for the office of the president.

Thanks for posting this.  Strange how far the Moore infection goes.  You can see his words, not attributed to him, almost word for word at askTom’s blog The blogger is a very non political guy and was just trying to comment on the tragedy.  But of course the tripe leave anon. postings.  Gee, couldn’t take personal responsibility for what they post or say.  That sounds familiar, wonder why the left does that?  I guess personal responsibility is too difficult.  It is easier to take the “The devil made me do it.” attitude.

I think Moore has reached a new lowe with this comment:

No, Mr. Bush, you just stay the course. It’s not your fault that 30 percent of New Orleans lives in poverty or that tens of thousands had no transportation to get out of town. C’mon, they’re black! I mean, it’s not like this happened to Kennebunkport. Can you imagine leaving white people on their roofs for five days? Don’t make me laugh! Race has nothing—NOTHING—to do with this!

Yeah, I guess George Bush is responsible for the fact that New Orleans is home to lots of black folks. I guess he must have used his time machine and rounded up lots of old timey negroes from the olden times and forced them to live there. I guess Bush is also responsible for creating the rich African-American-French culture which exists in New Orleans like no other place in the world. Boy-oh-boy, I sure would have liked to be a fly on the wall when GW pointed his six shooters at them and declared “I want all you Negroes to invent a new form of music, which we’ll call Dixieland Jazz, and then hook up with the Fenchies to invent a unique type of cuisine and language too!, Now get to it, the sooner you Negroes develop your own unique culture here on the Bayou, the sooner I can hop into my time machine and oppress you in the future.”

Get a grip Moore. Thousands of blacks live in New Orleans because it is thier ancestral HOME! They stay there because it is their culture. They will move back there because like most of us, our homes are where our hearts are, and their hearts are in New Orleans.

Are they poor? Well, like many in the South, the idea of ammassing great riches does not make one rich. In culture, the blacks of New Orleans are some of the richest people in the nation.

Did they have transportation to get out? Not all of them, but in a metro area like New Orleans, you don’t need a car. Did economics play a part in the evacuation? Sure, the poorest folks stayed because they didn’t have anywhere to go . That is what shelters and emergency efforts are for. Maybe he could donate some of his great fortune and buy each family an “emergency car” just in case this happens again.

I think MM ignores a couple things (surprise, surprise).

The first thing he ignores is that his party, the party of “the subtle discrimination of lowered expectations” is the reason so many blacks are poor.  It is a fact that the dems build their power base by keeping people dependant on them.  So it goes without saying that the reason so many blacks are poor is because dems keep them that way.

The second thing he ignores is that Bush does not have to stand on the terre firma there to get a grasp on the situation.  He (MM) loves to make these silly points that somehow because Bush doesn’t immediately don blue and red tights and jump into personal action, that stuff doesn’t get done.  He made the same point in F 9/11, when he talked about Bush reading to 5th graders while the towers burned. If all it takes is an influencal person to stand on the ground in NOLA to make things better, why doesn’t he (MM) go down there?  I don’t see him volunteering to pass out water bottles or man a food line.

Seriously I think this is tired stuff...nothing new here.  Anyone still listening to Moore at this point cannot ever be brought out of that mindset.  He is not converting anyone, he is singing to the choir.

Maybe Moore should sign up his daughter for the relief effort.  How can he say he supports it while his child sits on dry land?

Maybe Moore should sign up his daughter for the relief effort.  How can he say he supports it while his child sits on dry land?

Because she’s too fat and the humidity in Louisiana wouldn’t allow her to breathe.

There should be a massive campaign to bombard him with Red Cross volunteer applications.

I honestly thought that my blood pressure could not possibly go any higher after the Shee’sham’ circus, I was wrong....to use this human tragedy to voice his hate towards our President when we should all be banding togather to help our neighbors is beyond dispicable.  I keep hearing about the toxic ‘stew’ in New Orleans running thru the streets...someone is bound to step on Mikey, a true piece of floating crap.

Moore criticizes Bush for just doing nothing after the hurricane had hit and only doing a fly by in Air Force One.

Now that Bush is on the ground, MM website has the following questions published:

How much will George’s trip cost and how else could that money have been spent?

How many people will George’s Presidential convoy rescue?

Will George visit the Convention Center?

Does he even know there is a Convention Center, or is he as out of touch as the FEMA director?

If Congressional aid to the area were spent on Iraq instead, how long would it last?

Will George bring food and water to Charity Hospital?

Nothing Bush does will please people like Moore, Sheehan’s Mother, or Moveon.org.  Their hatred of Bush blinds them and it will be their downfall.

He had one other question on this site as well:

What are all the helicopters doing sitting around on the ground behind the President? Why aren’t they in the air dropping sandbags, saving people, delivering supplies?

Well, by his logic, then he should feel secure in the fact that if rich, fat, white guys are ever the victims of a natrual disaster in their hoity toity digs, that the president will noy let him sit on his roof for 4 days…

He’s an idiot. Bitch that there’s no Bush visiting, then bitch about it when he does. I get so mentally worn out by these people! MM and his ilk wouldn’t have been satisfied even if pres Bush personally saves EVERY single person stuck at that convention center! He’d gripe that it was set up to make Bush look good…

And, yeah - where is Fatty McBlowhard’s donation? What’s he giving to his brothers and sisters stranded in NO?

Hi, I don’t post here often but this just makes me sick.  I live in Baton Rouge.  That letter that Mr. Moron wrote is the most ignorant, spineless piece of crap that I have ever read in my life.  Has HE flown over and/or visit LA/MS to see what it looks like, or helped us in ANY way, shape, or form?  I’m guessing NO. 

In his letter he asked if Mr. Bush was aware that the hurricane was headed toward us; what did he want him to do?, stop the hurricane, tell it to go away, I mean, what??  YOU CANNOT STOP A HURRICANE GENIUS, EVEN IF YOU ARE THE PRESIDENT!!!  And I love the fact that he blames the pres. for the Gulf of Mexico being too hot.  Yep, that’s all GW’s fault; he should have had people throwing buckets of ice in there to keep the temperature down. 

As far as all those people stuck on the rooftops and in attics, all I have to say is this:  First of all, everyone in that city knew that they were living under sea level, basically in a fish bowl surrounded by two huge bodies of water.  They should have had an evacuation plan way in advance in case this ever happened.  They were warned days in advance that a Cat 4/5 hurricane was headed straight for them.  Now, I know that some of those people really had no way out due to transportation or illness, but a lot of them were just too hard headed to leave.  The govmt’ issued a mandatory evacuation for a reason!! 

On to the rescue mission, they have had boats and helicopters going in and out of the flooded areas NON-STOP since monday.  There are blackhawk helicopters flying around all over the place here.  Every single school bus in the state of LA is being used to transport the evacuees out of New Orleans.  Also, one of the reasons why they are having problems rescuing people is because some of the people are shooting at the helicopters and boats!!  Mr. Moore, would you like to go and try to rescue someone who is shooting at you??  Didn’t think so.  They had to take, I think, 1500 police officers off of search and rescue missions in order to control the shootings and lootings.  They have had numerous police officers turn in their badges because of all the violence.  That kind of stuff tends to slow down the search and rescue process.  They have called in a ton of national guard troops to assist. 
The president has been extremely cooperative w/ the gov. of Louisiana, and has given her pretty much everything she’s asked for.  She said that herself, in a press conference.

My point is, you cannot blame a natural disaster on a person.  Period.  What Michael Moore is doing is absolutely disgusting.  Instead of using all of his time and energy trying to place blame on someone, why doesn’t he, oh, I don’t know, do something to help the situation??  This has absolutely nothing to do with politics; this should be a time when Republicans and Democrats actually work together for a change, not against each other, Mr. Moore.  The focus of EVERYONE right now should be to try to help all of those who have been victimized by the hurricane, not criticizing the people who are doing something to help.  Yes, some mistakes have been made, but something this horrible has never happened to us before; all you can do is learn from the mistakes, you can’t change the past.  Until I see a Michael come up with a better plan than what is being done now, I would like to tell him to shut the hell up!!!

Here are some links to local Baton Rouge websites that have COMPLETE Hurricane Katrina Coverage:

www.2theadvocate.com

www.wafb.com

Right now I feel guilty because I could only give $50. Fatty McHalliburton has a whole website, “legions” of devoted followers and millions of dollars, and all he can do is sit around and badmouth what other people are doing. Maybe someone should make a documentary about what that corpulent piece of human garbage was doing while people suffered on the Gulf Coast.

You could legitimately call it “Sicko”.

How do you have even a grudging respect for this buffoon?

I would love to know exactly what people with no homes, no places to go and no electricity are going to do with a big screen TV?

Seriously, they have no place to put it, they can’t use.  Chances are they are going to be forcibly evacuated and never see the TV again anyway.  Even if they did manage to hang onto it until NOLA is up and running again, what are the chances it would survive and be workable by then?

This is the same irrational stuff that goes on during riots. People destroy their own neighborhoods.  It never made sense to me.

A lot of what Moore is saying here is so damn stupid.

What are all the helicopters doing sitting around on the ground behind the President? Why aren’t they in the air dropping sandbags, saving people, delivering supplies?

I have to say, I did wonder about that. There where like 40 guys just standing to attention in the background. Where there not a few more important things they could have been doing at that time, its a life and death crisis out there.

New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin ordered the mandatory evacuation of the city’s 485,000 residents. Officials acknowledged that tens of thousands of residents and tourists would be unable to leave. With the airport closed, the city organized buses to transport those left behind to 10 emergency shelters and encouraged people to bring supplies and food for a three- to five-day stay.

Seems like a fairly accurate prediction to me.

Were there not a few more important things they could have been doing at that time, its a life and death crisis out there.

I assumed it was a mix of news helicopters and very necessary security for the president.  Was it a fleet of blackhawks?

I used to live in New Orleans by the lake about 3 days ago.  I lost my house and just about everything I own, I don’t need Michael Moore’s rich fat ass to act like he is sticking up for me.  Where is he in this crisis?  Sitting in his freakin’ million dollar condo writing?  Where’s his donation to the aid effort?  Most of the people that are stuck in New Orleans did not have the means to evacuate, white, black, etc.  Bush and Clinton both “cut” funding for the levees, but I don’t think that mattered at all, the levees are poorly designed. The million dollar water pumps didn’t do shit, do you see the white building in this
picture?
That is a pumping station, see a problem?

A huge problem right now in New Orleans is communications.  There is almost no way to communicate w/ one another in that area.  That causes a lot of chaos, even when there are a lot of helicopters, supplies, ect. because they might not really know exactly where to go, who needs what, and what’s going on.

Nothing about this fat, hairy, mongoloid skidmark surprises me anymore. I am utterly convinced that he is completely divorced from reality. He should either donate some of his money to help out the victims, or STFU and GTFA.

I love the hypocracy...why didn’t you do come and visit instead of flying over...and now that he is there, how could that money have been used more wisely. Amazing!

Like Brandy above pointed out...yes, everyone knew the hurricane was coming...what exactly was Bush to do...shoo it away?

And now the loverly Rev. Jackson is blowing wind saying there should be more blacks involved in the governement agencies involved with rescue and national disaters cause you know...we can all predict a major national disater occuring and of course it will occur to blacks and so we need blacks to be more involved to help out the efforts. Right...terrorits, hurricanes etc are racist and target only the blacks.
here is the link:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050902/ap_on_re_us/katrina_jackson_hk4

Battles, I am so sorry to hear that.  I have about 30 friends/relatives that have also lost everything--they were from New Orleans, Metarie, Slidell, and Gulfport.  My mother-in-law is living w/ us right now b/c she lived about a mile away from the Beau Rivage Casino in MS.  My 69 yr old great-uncle is stuck in Oshner (sp?) Hospital in N.O.; He was loading up his truck Sunday night to evacuate and slipped and fell in a puddle of water.  He broke his femur in 3 places and can’t even be operated on; all they can do is pump him full of morphine.  Anyway, it just pisses me off when people like MM try to take advantage of this huge tragety that has happened to us; pointing fingers at others for not doing enough while I haven’t seen him do a damn thing.  He’s no better than the people shooting at the helicopters.  I wish someone would take him and throw him into the “toxic soup.”

I am a white man from the South and I have just one question.  Why do Democrats and minorities always feel it necessary to pull the “race card?”

I am a white man from the South and I have just one question.  Why do Democrats and minorities always feel it necessary to pull the “race card?”

To shift accountability.

I am a white man from the South and I have just one question.  Why do Democrats and minorities always feel it necessary to pull the “race card?”

Several reasons.

If you’re Jesse Jackson, it’s to make a buck.

If you’re a dem politician, it is to continue the finely crafted lie that without them you would amount to nothing.  It is to show the people who depend on your entitlements that you are actually earning your pay.  It is to make sure you get re-elected by continuing the smoke screen that they are there to protect them from “The Man”.

Why do Democrats and minorities always feel it necessary to pull the “race card?”

I don’t know about the Democrats but Moore is a racist. This is one of the things about this man that really pisses me off. His comment about if the 9/11 planes had been filed with blacks instead of whites really set me off about this guy. He called the whites craven and said that Negroes would never have let the planes be taken. Of course he forgot to mention that there were blacks on the airplanes and omitted the Pennsylvania airplane. Idiot.

Funny thing is that he claims to have “hung” with these guys, and apparently has tremendous respect for their physical prowess and abilities in a fight. If he knew anything at all he would have know that the majority of “tough” blacks i.e. in gangs, are not tough unless they have their ‘Homies” with them. Been there done that as well. He is truly ignorant.

Bottom line is Michael Moore is a racist and he feeds off of playing that card. The only thing is that MM is racist against whites. We are cowardly and soft. If something happens to the Negro community he gets in an outrage. If you attack him you are attacking the race. It’s a win-win for MM.

There are other moonbats out there but there is only one Moore.  Go to Moveon.org the first thing you see is Victims of Hurrican Katrina need our help.  Go to airamericaradio.com you see the whole site is about the hurricane and relief efforts.  But Moore is the only one to take it as a chance to bash Bush on the spot.  Don’t you remember his comments after 9/11 its like he has no soul.  Yet were so surprised when this shit happens?

And here are some quotes I just had to point out from that horseshit letter.

there weren’t going to be any Army engineers to fix them anyway because you had a much more important construction job for them—BUILDING DEMOCRACY IN IRAQ!

You hang in there, Mr. Bush. Just try to find a few of our Army helicopters and send them there. Pretend the people of New Orleans and the Gulf Coast are near Tikrit.

OMG Moore are you actually saying that were helping the people in Iraq by building a democracy. As opposed to building an empire, stealing oil, and killing innocent americans and Iraqis in the process?  That may not fly with some of your disgusting ilk.  Oh and he still refers to him as Mr. Bush (like he didn’t win the presidency)
Has for a relief effort, Why don’t you donate as much food as you eat in a month you fat dick.  Or donate some of that $50 million you made with that F 9/11.  Both would help a huge deal Im sure.  As Im sure he won’t do either, I just know you and your ilk are going to bitch about rich people not giving enough. 
On a side note anyone catch Bill O Reilly?  Hes suggesting that the oil companies should donate at least 20% of there profits to the relief victims.  Doesn’t that sound like a fair thing to do?

The first thing he ignores is that his party, the party of “the subtle discrimination of lowered expectations” is the reason so many blacks are poor.  It is a fact that the dems build their power base by keeping people dependant on them.  So it goes without saying that the reason so many blacks are poor is because dems keep them that way.

The second thing he ignores is that Bush does not have to stand on the terre firma there to get a grasp on the situation.  He (MM) loves to make these silly points that somehow because Bush doesn’t immediately don blue and red tights and jump into personal action, that stuff doesn’t get done.  He made the same point in F 9/11, when he talked about Bush reading to 5th graders while the towers burned. If all it takes is an influencal person to stand on the ground in NOLA to make things better, why doesn’t he (MM) go down there?  I don’t see him volunteering to pass out water bottles or man a food line.

Seriously I think this is tired stuff...nothing new here.  Anyone still listening to Moore at this point cannot ever be brought out of that mindset.  He is not converting anyone, he is singing to the choir.

A-fricken-men!  Moore is only going to appeal to those who are so entrenched in their hatred of President Bush at this point.  Part of the MsM might belong to that group but I digress.  Brandy and Battles I’m glad you and yours are alive and (mostly) well.  Battles as to your question as to where Moore is atm, he’s in a fat farm that costs a mint in Florida.

In regard to Moore’s racism, I agree that he is racist against whites but he also has an underlying racism against blacks, because he doesn’t expect the best of them.  He’s ready to excuse those (I have no idea what the percentage is of those that should have left but the looters and a great number of those in the Superdome and Convention Center were NOT disabled nor elderly), and blame the President.  Never mind that the local gov’t obviously had to plan intact to deal with this tragedy that seemed inevitable given the condition of the levee and position of the city.

Never mind that the local gov’t obviously had to plan intact to deal with this tragedy that seemed inevitable given the condition of the levee and position of the city.

Make that “had NO plan intact.

Of course people are going to point the finger at Bush.  Lack of funding and a slow response can be attributed directly to his administration and it’s policies. 

Of course the Bush administration is going to accuse people of politicizing the issue.  They have no other response to the fact that they are the ones responsible for the growing magnitude of this tragedy.

How can people keep making excuses for this corrupt administration?  They keep fucking up and rather than admit mistakes, or offer an appology, they just accuse their opponents of ‘playing politics’ or whatever other catch phrase is popular that day.

You have to love Michael Moore.  No matter what happens he can be pity, sophmoric and smug in his own bizarro reality.

President Bush examines damage from the air:
Oh that is not going down there, taking direct charge of the siutation and single handedly saving every downtrodden (due to his and only his policies) black person in NOLA.

President Buch visits the hurricane ravaged region: 
What a waste, he could have spent that money on the relief effort rather than seeing this for himself and putting an emphasis to the people on the ground that they need to be doign better.[\i]

I think it’s nice to hear that other countries don’t hate us as much as everyone seems to think. Even Sri Lanka chipped in.

So did Venezuala, if that counts for anything.  But I agree, I always wondered how the world, that is so willing to take our money and be critical of us, would respond if we had a tragedy.  I am heartened to see that they are coming to our aid.

Notice how Moore is like that lady who sat outside Crawford.  Bitches and complains and mistakes that behavior for doing something.

Moore, do something for the people.  Take some physical action to assist them.  Go down there and help someone clean up. 

It will never happen, he is a loser, a bitcher, whiner, complainer, but not a dooer.

How can people keep making excuses for this corrupt administration? They keep fucking up and rather than admit mistakes, or offer an appology, they just accuse their opponents of ‘playing politics’ or whatever other catch phrase is popular that day.

Sorry, but I can’t leave this alone.  This is someone who hates Bush.  So by deduction I can assume they like Clinton.

As a fan of Clinton you should already know the answers as you should be well versed in this yourself with some key differences.  Your guy is a convicted liar.  Your guy never admitted any mistakes, even to the point of being disbarred for it.  Your guy continually blamed the other side for “playing politics” with everything.  Does “vast right wing conspiracy” ring a bell?

I don’t care how much money you spend on levees, a Cat 5 hurricane is going to destroy your work.  They have hundreds, if not thousands of buses, planes, helocopters there to move people out.  They have thousands of rescue workers/national guard there to sort stuff out.  WTF else can anyone do?  Maybe you dems have some magic wand you could wave to get it sorted faster and more efficiently, but I haven’t seen it.

Your guy is a convicted liar

My bad, he was never convicted, he took a plea that would prevent him from being prosecuted after he left office and agreed to being disbarred.  This of course is always the action of an innocent man who is just “misunderstood” and the victim of party politics.

This of course is always the action of an innocent man who is just “misunderstood” and the victim of party politics.

Anyone else find it ironic that “Nobody Died When Clinton Lied” is now an unofficial catch-phrase with many lefties (witness: the “Progressive Minds” blogad at right)?

For how many years had the Left refused to even admit that Clinton was a career liar?  They fought every accusation, tooth and nail.  NOW all of a sudden they freely admit it...if only to construct a mindless platitude.

Anyone else find it ironic that “Nobody Died When Clinton Lied” is now an unofficial catch-phrase with many lefties (witness: the “Progressive Minds” blogad at right)?

Well unless they have redefined the term “nobody” to only mean US soldiers involved in conflicts in Iraq, then they might be telling the truth.  However, there are over 100 (I need a link) of people associated with Clinton(s) on a business level that mysteriously died.  There were several attacks on American interests by terrorists.  There was also Kosovo, Mogadishu and several other “police” actions undertaken while Clinton was in office.  How many people died in the “wag the dog missile” attack on Iraq when the Lewinsky trial started?

They must be talking about something other than that incidental stuff.

“Nobody Died When Clinton Lied”

Unless you happen to be working at a pharmaceutical factory in Sudan.  Clinton ever find those WMDs?

It is funny that Moore can fit so many lame duck arguments into one ill-crafted letter:
1.  The war in Iraq
2.  Debatable environmental theories
3.  The race card (note the irony of a fat, rich, white man playing said card)
4.  His disrespect for the office of the president.

Well, I don’t know about Michael Moore, he is probably trying to promote political propanga, but as for some of these issues being lame-duck. I don’t know.

Well, in particular point no. 2: Global Climate change;

CO2 emissions may not be the only factor affecting Global climate change, but it IS a significant factor nonetheless.

You should probably expect more like Hurricane Katrina and be better prepared NEXT time (no excuses then).

It is easy for us laymen to critisize Scientific findings, firstly because we can, we have mouthes. Secondly, laymen discovered the scientifically debatable ‘theories’ which consequently produced all the marvellous technology available to modern man (eg. the computer you use to post comments here). People like Albert Einstein and Max Planck had nothing to do with it.

You should probably expect more like Hurricane Katrina and be better prepared NEXT time (no excuses then).

The number of hurricanes in the world has not gone up, so it seems kind of foolish to try and find a reason why they have.

wdednam....while the theory of global warming is something i’ll leave to debate, but there were more major hurricanes 50 years ago than there are today. More severe too.

The number of hurricanes in the world has not gone up, so it seems kind of foolish to try and find a reason why they have.

First, you base your argument upon…

Second, maybe not the number (who knows, I am no expert on hurricanes and if you are, please enlighten me), but the FEROCITY will.

First, you base your argument upon…

Second, maybe not the number (who knows, I am no expert on hurricanes and if you are, please enlighten me), but the FEROCITY will.

What do you mean, “who knows?” You don’t even know if I’m right or not?  Go to the NWS web site and look at the table of stats for the last century of hurricanes around the world.  The FEROCITY has not gone up either.  No, I’m not an expert, but I did at least look up the numbers before I started blaming global warming for something that hasn’t happened.

First, you base your argument upon…

Maybe it’s based on this?  Try Google.  It’s not that hard.  Unless the facts get in the way of your logic of course.

wdednam....while the theory of global warming is something i’ll leave to debate, but there were more major hurricanes 50 years ago than there are today. More severe too.

The industrial revolution occurred about two hundred years ago. That leaves about 150 years (minus your 50) of pumping all kinds of lovely gases (plus CO2) into the air. I’m not surprised that storms were monstrous or severe by then.

Finally, we will have to wait and see. As long as our approach is geared towards cure rather than prevention, we’ll have to carry the burden of all our actions.