Irony, they name is Moore
This is precious. It’s Moore’s latest screed sent to his mailing list and posted to his site. It’s about the verbal beatings Dr. Sanjay Gupta gave him on CNN and Larry King, and of course Mike’s apoplectic blowup with Wolf Blitzer. I’d like you to note the following while you read:
1. Note that Moore openly admits that anyone who gives him money would get favorable treatment. Now that’s funny right there. It makes me think he really was trying to buy me off. If money buys his silence and loyalty, he assumes it buys everyone else?
2. Note that he refuses to acknowledge Gupta’s knockout punch: that Moore cherry-picked numbers from two different locations, one completely unverified, and compared them in the film. It’s just one of many perfectly valid criticisms levied by Dr. Gupta that Moore simply refuses to discuss.
3. Note his discussion of truth at the end. Ultimate irony or just a sociopath who believes his own BS?
4. Note the use, again, of the world journalism, as if this guy has the first clue what journalism is.
5. Note the use of the old MMFlint@aol email address. A) Not from Flint (he’s from Davison), and B) what happened to using his domain name? Is he trying to reconnect with that “man of the people” thing after so many years of being Super Rich NYC Park Avenue Man?
Mike’s nonsense rant at CNN after the jump…
An Open Letter to CNN from Michael Moore
7/14/07
Dear CNN,
Well, the week is over—and still no apology, no retraction, no correction of your glaring mistakes.
I bet you thought my dust-up with Wolf Blitzer was just a cool ratings coup, that you really wouldn’t have to correct the false statements you made about “Sicko.” I bet you thought I was just going to go quietly away.
Think again. I’m about to become your worst nightmare. ‘Cause I ain’t ever going away. Not until you set the record straight, and apologize to your viewers. “The Most Trusted Name in News?” I think it’s safe to say you can retire that slogan.
You have an occasional segment called “Keeping Them Honest.” But who keeps you honest? After what the public saw with your report on “Sicko,” and how many inaccuracies that report contained, how can anyone believe anything you say on your network? In the old days, before the Internet, you could get away with it. Your victims had no way to set the record straight, to show the viewers how you had misrepresented the truth. But now, we can post the truth—and back it up with evidence and facts—on the web, for all to see. And boy, judging from the mail both you and I have been receiving, the evidence I have posted on my site about your “Sicko” piece has led millions now to question your honesty.
I won’t waste your time rehashing your errors. You know what they are. What I want to do is help you come clean. Admit you were wrong. What is the shame in that? We all make mistakes. I know it’s hard to admit it when you’ve screwed up, but it’s also liberating and cathartic. It not only makes you a better person, it helps prevent you from screwing up again. Imagine how many people will be drawn to a network that says, “We made a mistake. We’re human. We’re sorry. We will make mistakes in the future—but we will always correct them so that you know you can trust us.” Now, how hard would that really be?
As you know, I hold no personal animosity against you or any of your staff. You and your parent company have been very good to me over the years. You distributed my first film, “Roger & Me” and you published “Dude, Where’s My Country?” Larry King has had me on twice in the last two weeks. I couldn’t ask for better treatment.
That’s why I was so stunned when you let a doctor who knows a lot about brain surgery—but apparently very little about public policy—do a “fact check” story, not on the medical issues in “Sicko,” but rather on the economic and political information in the film. Is this why there has been a delay in your apology, because you are trying to get a DOCTOR to say he was wrong? Please tell him not to worry, no one is filing a malpractice claim against him. Dr. Gupta does excellent and compassionate stories on CNN about people’s health and how we can take better care of ourselves. But when it came time to discuss universal health care, he rushed together a bunch of sloppy—and old—research. When his producer called us about his report the day before it aired, we sent to her, in an email, all the evidence so that he wouldn’t make any mistakes on air. He chose to ignore ALL the evidence, and ran with all his falsehoods—even though he had been given the facts a full day before! How could that happen? And now, for 5 days, I have posted on my website, for all to see, every mistake and error he made.
You, on the other hand, in the face of this overwhelming evidence and a huge public backlash, have chosen to remain silent, probably praying and hoping this will all go away.
Well it isn’t. We are now going to start looking into the veracity of other reports you have aired on other topics. Nothing you say now can be believed. In 2002, the New York Times busted you for bringing celebrities on your shows and not telling your viewers they were paid spokespeople for the pharmaceutical companies. You promised never to do it again. But there you were, in 2005, talking to Joe Theismann, on air, as he pushed some drug company-sponsored website on prostate health. You said nothing about about his affiliation with GlaxoSmithKline.
Clearly, no one is keeping you honest, so I guess I’m going to have to do that job, too. $1.5 billion is spent each year by the drug companies on ads on CNN and the other four networks. I’m sure that has nothing to do with any of this. After all, if someone gave me $1.5 billion, I have to admit, I might say a kind word or two about them. Who wouldn’t?!
I expect CNN to put this matter to rest. Say you’re sorry and correct your story—like any good journalist would.
Then we can get back to more important things. Like a REAL discussion about our broken health care system. Everything else is a distraction from what really matters.
Yours,
Michael Moore
mmflint@aol.com
www.michaelmoore.comP.S. If you also want to apologize for not doing your job at the start of the Iraq War, I’m sure most Americans would be very happy to accept your apology. You and the other networks were willing partners with Bush, flying flags all over the TV screens and never asking the hard questions that you should have asked. You might have prevented a war. You might have saved the lives of those 3,610 soldiers who are no longer with us. Instead, you blew air kisses at a commander in chief who clearly was making it all up. Millions of us knew that—why didn’t you? I think you did. And, in my opinion, that makes you responsible for this war. Instead of doing the job the founding fathers wanted you to do—keeping those in power honest (that’s why they made it the FIRST amendment)—you and much of the media went on the attack against the few public figures like myself who dared to question the nightmare we were about to enter. You’ve never thanked me or the Dixie Chicks or Al Gore for doing your job for you. That’s OK. Just tell the truth from this point on.
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How much space do you think MM’s aol account would hold?
Just wondering.
2. Note that he refuses to acknowledge Gupta’s knockout punch: that Moore cherry-picked numbers from two different locations, one completely unverified, and compared them in the film. It’s just one of many perfectly valid criticisms levied by Dr. Gupta that Moore simply refuses to discuss.
Is this referring to the $25pp/year in Cuba vs $7000pp/year in the US spent on health care? Dr. Gupta said the numbers were actually $250ish for Cuba and closer to $6000 for the USA.
I havent seen the movie yet, but I believe Dr. Gupta came back and said he made a mistake, that Sicko actually did say $250ish for Cuba.
Is this the knockout punch?
@artmonkey It wouldn’t surprise me if Michael Moore didn’t have an official CNN press release to back up his outlandish claim that CNN has received e-mail, but I would say it’s a fairly safe assumption.
Next thing you know, MM is going to claim that CNN employees drink water and breathe air. ...[queue Unsolved Mysteries music]but how could he know? IS MM FORCE-FEEDING THEM WATER?!?!?!!?[/music]
The idea that the only way he could know CNN is receiving e-mail of the nature he’s suggesting is if he’s sending it himself is laughable.
Did you consider the possibility that e-mails that MM received were sent to both him and CNN? Unlike a letter, which must have a single recipient, e-mail can be sent to 2, 3, or as many addresses as the sender chooses. If MM received a multitude message that were sent to both “douchebag@michaelmoore.com” AND “douchebag@cnn.com” it would be very easy for him to know CNN is receiving those messages as well.
Just because you don’t like the guy, it isn’t worth while to shit on everything he says or does.
This is very true. It also explains precisely why Moore continues to make the type of films that he does… he has never had the “liberating and cathartic” experience of apologizing for his “mistakes”.
Here’s something that’s, sorta, worth bitching about. I’m no MM scholar, but I’d be very surprised if MM himself has extended a formal, public apology regarding any of his mistakes.
Just off the top of my head, I have to wonder why anyone would pull numbers from two different reports, then defend the practice with a rant like this.
Seems Mikey’s getting a tad touchy. Must be the pressures of being a narcissist.
Just off the top of my head, I have to wonder why anyone would pull numbers from two different reports
Ive looked, Im having trouble finding a single source with recent numbers for both the USA and Cuba. This may be a reason for getting numbers from two different sources. The most recent source I could find with both numbers had figures for 2000.
I would like to see the highs and lows for all the numbers using as many sources as possible.
Up4 - Like Gupta said though - Mike saw an UNSOURCED news article in the UK that had a number for Cuba and a number for the US. He didn’t like the US number, so he went number shopping for an “official” number that was significantly higher.
It turns out he did NOT do the same for Cuba. He took the number from the original unsourced article.
If he’s going to use the Cuban number - then why not use the US number? Or, as a journalist should, go shopping for the latest, sourced OFFICIAL figures?
It’s not really about the specific numbers, but rather Moore’s utterly dishonest way of using data to further his political agenda.
Denverguy - me too.
Hirudin, do you notice how many hurdles you had to leap to get to “it’s easy for Moore to know CNN is getting email?” Do you know what Occam’s Razor is?
Just because you don’t like the guy, it isn’t worth while to shit on everything he says or does.
Read carefully, and I’m only going to tell you this once: The purpose of this site is to monitor and dissect, thereby refuting or confirming any and everything Moore says. If you don’t like it, LEAVE. Get out. Don’t come back. It’s literally that simple.
You’re not suggesting MM setting up an “email spam bomb” is the simplest explanation are you?
Also, I only see a single hurdle. (MM receives messages that were also sent to CNN = he can know that CNN is getting e-mails)
No, I don’t think he used a “spam bomb.” But getting your staff to send three or four emails is in no way unthinkable, and in fact would be the simplest answer as to how Moore knows what they’re getting.
No, wait - the simplest answer is that Moore is *imagining* that CNN is getting all this email because maybe one or two people CC’d him on something they sent.
You imagine that hordes of the faithful are CC’ing both a parties and that Moore has all this evidence, or that he...and Jesus Christ I cannot believe you said this...that Moore has “an official CNN press release to back up his outlandish claim.” But you laugh (your words) at the idea that Moore asked his interns and underlings to send a few emails?
No one is that stupid. Unless you actually are, in which case I apologize for mocking your handicap. I didn’t know.
What gets me is that Moore invoked the Founding Fathers. As far as I know, CNN wasn’t around in the eighteenth century, so I’m not sure how Moore knows what the Founding Fathers want CNN to do.
I do know that the Founding Fathers would probably not be in favor of the feds creating some kind of bureaucratic behemoth and then forcing people to pay for it. That doesn’t sound very Jeffersonian to me.
Belcatar, I get the distinct impression Moore has absolutely no idea of what the founding fathers really stood for, but feels that invoking them as if their names alone in his open letter of ego somehow lend weight to his statements.
JimK, your point number 2 is really the absolute be all of MM’s narcissism, he can’t answer the valid criticism, so he has to attack a type of strawman that has nothing to do with the issue.
MM has to give the impression that CNN has wronged him and, subsequently, the American people. He will succeed in drawing away the attention from his obfuscation of the facts.
Hirudin,
I understand your confusion, here.
I really do.
And I apologize.
My point was not intended to be taken literally,
actually.
I was being snarky, and making intentional leaps of logic to connect one event or statement to the insinuated or accused actions of someone I am politically opposed to.
By doing so, the theory is thrown into the air, and discussed wildly, until it simply becomes, by virtue of it’s presence in so many peoples’ minds, a valid possibility, and eventually the leading theory.
Call it an experiment… no, actually, don’t.
That would imply that I intended it to go that
far. I did not.
(Honest to god, I intended to make this statement anyway, regardless of whether I got called on it or not.)
Call it an illustration of how easily Moore’s tactics can be used to slime anyone, even Moore himself.
Because this is precisely the sort of thing Moore does, and is doing, all the time.
I see how what I said could be interpreted either way, but what I meant was that it wouldn’t surprise me if no press release existed. Because the notion is absurd.Jesus Christ I cannot believe you said this...that Moore has “an official CNN press release to back up his outlandish claim.”
artmonkey
Oh I see… And I agree with you and Camkrisand, repeating something until it’s “believed” is a very bad way to prove your point. I would say Gupta trying to claim MM used false numbers is also disingenuous.
As I said in my first comment regarding Gupta:
I didn’t like that BOTH of them spent more time bitching and claiming that the other’s numbers were “wrong” instead of conceding that the numbers merely came from different sources. Moore “cherry picked” his numbers, OK, fine. Did he cherry pick the numbers from unreputable sources?
Moore has absolutely no idea of what the founding fathers really stood for
They stood for socialism, naturally. Everyone knows that.
Come on guys.
Are you serious? ...This is how you’re going to prove MM is an idiot? “Well, duh. CNN didn’t exist when the founding fathers were around. TAKE THAT!”
Moore is talking about “the press” not CNN specifically… give me a break!
I would say Gupta trying to claim MM used false numbers
He never said he used false numbers. He said he used unsourced numbers and cherry-picked numbers.
Do we really need to hammer once more into your skull why cherry-picking numbers is distorting?
Hirudin you are being completely disingenuous and you fucking well know it. Cut the shit.
When it comes to being pissed at CNN, mikkey accidentally let the kat out of the proverbial bag:
As you know, I hold no personal animosity against you or any of your staff. You and your parent company have been very good to me over the years. You distributed my first film, “Roger & Me” and you published “Dude, Where’s My Country?” Larry King has had me on twice in the last two weeks. I couldn’t ask for better treatment.
He couldn’t “ask for better treatment” because they swallowed his every word as gospel. And helped mikkey make a boatload or three full of money. And now he’s eternally pissed because:
That’s why I was so stunned when you let a doctor who knows a lot about brain surgery—but apparently very little about public policy—do a “fact check” story, not on the medical issues in “Sicko,” but rather on the economic and political information in the film.
Pretty petty, huh? And pretty slick on my part, copping mikkel’s “cut and paste” editing style. Notice how I totally changed the context of his statement just by snipping and pasting bits? Chuck Heston’s gotta be real proud of me. I gotta start making me some documentaries…
By the way, does mikkel expect us to believe that he knows more about medical billing and payment procedures than Dr. Gupta and his staff?
JimK, I’ll try to keep this curt… I’m not trying to be disingenuous. I’m not a huge MM fan, but I certainly don’t hate him. I’d say on a scale from…
-10 (would like to murder thim)
to
10 (want to have his baby)
I’d put you somewhere around -8 (maybe -7) and I’m around a… oh… 6.
When I think Moore is making a fool-out-of-himself acting like a short fact check story on CNN is the TV-News Blunder of the Century I’ll say as much.
This is the case, MM is being a fucking cry baby. It’s stupid. From what I could tell, Gupta’s piece only had 8 main disagreements. Most of which, even if they were incorrect, would not merit an apology.
1. Cuba’s WHO ranking, 39, is only seen in passing and never expressly mentioned.
2a. Moore: “US pays $7000 per person” Gupta: “US pays $6096 per person”
2b. Moore: “Cuba pays $25 [sic] per person” (Gupta apologized for this transcription error and corrected the record that the movie says $251.) Gupta: “Cuba pays $229 per person”
3. Americans live longer than Cubans (I think MM says Cubans live something like 5 years longer in Sicko, then again, that’s what he was saying about every country.)
4. The United States is #1 ranked in satisfaction surveys, which is never mentioned in Sicko (IIRC).
5. “A survey of six industrialized nations found that only Canada is worse than the United States when it came to waiting for a doctor’s appointment for a medical problem.” MM never mentions that the US is only the second worst of the 6 when it comes to waiting for a doctor’s appointment for a medical problem.
6a. In [socialized systems] there are quotas.
6b. In [socialized systems] there are planned wait times.
6c. Health care system is not free in France, Canada, or Cuba. Taxes pay for the HCS.
7a. The high taxes don’t pay for everything everybody wants.
7b. 15% - 20% of the population will purchase services outside the system of care run by the government”
8. There is no perfect system anywhere. Moore does give the impression that the foreign systems are perfect.
Re: 1. Moore is being a baby.
Re: 2a. This is a big difference. Moore is cherry picking here. Moore is showing himself as an idiot by trying to say the WHO’s numbers are somehow “wrong”.
Re: 2b. THERE is MM’s apology! And Gupta said it right to MM’s face! OK, it’s not some, groveling recantation directly from the president of CNN, but it’s better than nothing. Nothing being MM’s ridiculous assertion.
Re: 3. Since I don’t remember what exactly was said in Sicko I can’t make a judgment call here. I wouldn’t be surprised if MM “CPed” his figures.
Re: 4. Moore is being a baby.
Re: 5. Moore should take this one as a victory.
Re: 6a. & 6b. Moore is being a baby. Also, should we take these comments to mean that there are not quotas and planned wait times in the US? (I’d be very interested to see some facts regarding this.)
Re: 6c. This is a issue of semantics. If Moore wants an “apology” for this, he’s a douche bag!
Re: 7a. No comment.
Re: 7b. This is very vague. Elective procedures are surely counted in this statistic. I would expect CNN to “correct” or “clarify” this statistic. (Does anyone know if CNN has done either?)
Re: 8. Well, I know MooreWatch.com fans probably don’t think MichaelMoore.com fans are capable of independent thought, but I give them* more credit. Hopefully nobody thinks any system is “perfect”. Moore is being a baby here too.
So, in my opinion, Moore’s letter makes him look like a cry baby overall. 7b. could go either way.
* No, I do not go to that website regularly and am certainly not a fan. I have been there a total of about 10 times (ever) though. Versus about 35 visits here.
He never said he used false numbers. He said he used unsourced numbers and cherry-picked numbers.
Gupta’s overall message is that MM is cherry picking, I agree. BUT when Gupta said “Not true;” after the following sentence…
Moore asserts that the American health care system spends $7000 per person on health; whereas Cuba spends $25 [sic] per person.
He was indeed saying that Moore’s numbers were “wrong”, NOT just cherry picked.
Do we really need to hammer once more into your skull why cherry-picking numbers is distorting?
No. I agree with you.
No need to hammer it any more, I’ve agreed with that since the beginning. The area where I disagree is whether it’s worth while to quibble over such things. I agree with Dr. Gupta when he said the two numbers mentioned (2a. and 2b. from my post above) in his fact-check were “...not too far off.”
P.S. If you also want to apologize for not doing your job at the start of the Iraq War, I’m sure most Americans would be very happy to accept your apology. You and the other networks were willing partners with Bush, flying flags all over the TV screens and never asking the hard questions that you should have asked. You might have prevented a war.
What poppycock. Here’s just one of the sources I’ve read that totally debunks the “willing lackeys” meme.
http://www.mediaresearch.org/realitycheck/2007/fax20070515.asp
Re: 8. Well, I know MooreWatch.com fans probably don’t think MichaelMoore.com fans are capable of independent thought, but I give them* more credit. Hopefully nobody thinks any system is “perfect”. Moore is being a baby here too.
It would be interesting to see what sort of way things were being discussed if there were a forum on Moore’s site. ( unless I wasn’t looking in the right place? )
No need to hammer it any more, I’ve agreed with that since the beginning. The area where I disagree is whether it’s worth while to quibble over such things. I agree with Dr. Gupta when he said the two numbers mentioned (2a. and 2b. from my post above) in his fact-check were “...not too far off.”
The issue is that it shouldn’t be tolerated, period, because if you do then you reach a subjective world where one has to figure out when something is distorting stuff too much, and when its distorting stuff an ‘acceptable’ amount. Its a dangerous precident, and there is no reason why the distortions can’t just be avoided across the board.
completely unrelated… mj, you may be getting an email from me re friday… I THINK I’m gonna be up in newcastle
It would be interesting to see what sort of way things were being discussed if there were a forum on Moore’s site. ( unless I wasn’t looking in the right place? )
No, MJ. You looked in the right places.
Moore got sick of people daring to question his “facts”, so he just completely removed their ability to do so from his site.
Moore got sick of people daring to question his “facts”, so he just completely removed their ability to do so from his site.
And when he did it, apparently he lied and said that they would be back up in a week.
CNN has responded to Michael Moore’s letter and has critiqued his issues with Dr. Gupta’s report.
http://tinyurl.com/2s94no
It is a very good read...and Hirudin...it does explain why it is important to use data from the same report and not just cherry pick data you like.
Thanks for the link Aretak. I’ve got a couple questions that I haven’t seen here yet… 1. Wouldn’t it make more sense for Moore to say Cuba spends $229 instead of the larger $251? What I mean is: doesn’t “$229” make the disparity between what “we” pay and what “they” pay sound greater? Doesn’t MM’s use of $251 show that he didn’t cherry pick *EVERY* number? If Moore’s agenda was “find the largest numbers for the US and the smallest numbers for them”; why wouldn’t he use $229? I’d just like to see you guys concede one little tiny point: MM didn’t cherry pick every single solitary number in the whole movie; $251 is a number he did not cherry pick.
2. Do the most recent, reputable, numbers hold any credence with y’all? (I don’t mean the “$7496” specifically, I’m talking in a much broader, idealistic sense: Do “new” numbers mean anything compared to “old” numbers?)
I think Moore might be pushing his public martyr image alittle too far with this CNN bruhaha. CNN’s statement in response to Moore’s attempts to deflect critical inquiry into his facts and figures makes him look like a temperamental two year old that got caught with his hand in the cookie jar. Most intelligent people would realize this.
Die hard Moore fans, however....
Like their idol, they’re probably good at making ad hoc arguments as well, even if they make no sense.
I’d put you somewhere around -8 (maybe -7) and I’m around a… oh… 6.
That’s because you’re a judgmental dick who never, ever listens to the things I actually say - you just make shit up in your head.
Like Michael. It’s no wonder you’re such a sychophant fan.
1. Wouldn’t it make more sense for Moore to say Cuba spends $229 instead of the larger $251? What I mean is: doesn’t “$229” make the disparity between what “we” pay and what “they” pay sound greater? Doesn’t MM’s use of $251 show that he didn’t cherry pick *EVERY* number?
Well...to me...cherry picking is cherry picking, whether he chose the smaller number or not. The fact he is taking two different numbers from two different reports. You ask why did he use the $251 instead of the $229. Well why did Moore not continue to use the BBC report projections of $5711 instead of using the $7092? Why did he have to use two different reports? He could have easily said the BBC report stated $5711, but the US projects that number to be $7092.
Furthermore, the numbers MM uses are projections, not actual numbers. The WHO report that Gutpa uses are 1)From the same report and 2)Are 2005 numbers with actual dollar amounts spent. That brings up another question, why did not MM use this report instead of going to a BBC report and then a US projection report?
2. Do the most recent, reputable, numbers hold any credence with y’all? (I don’t mean the “$7496” specifically, I’m talking in a much broader, idealistic sense: Do “new” numbers mean anything compared to “old” numbers?)
I do not think the issue is with the projection numbers in general. I think you could debate to wait for the actual numbers to be released before commenting on them. However, I think most people would agree that the US system needs to be fixed and there needs to be debate on it. We just want correct statistics and not picking data just so it fits an agenda.
I just read the CNN rebuttal, and it’s a darn good one. Darn good. Moore comes off as looking more desparate and deceitful, and one who raises controversy when it doesn’t exist. I especially liked this portion:
To reiterate, we believe numbers should be compared apples to apples, oranges to oranges. Moore himself says the data he’s citing from the U.N. Development Programme is dated. Consistency is important in statistical analysis and is not present in Moore’s comparison.
Hilarious. Moore does a bang up job of self fisking. What a guy. Oh yeah, about Dr. Gupta’s lack of credentials to comment on healthcare policy:
Gupta lives with the painful problems of the health care industry every day. He is a practicing physician, serving as a neurosurgeon for the past five years at a large indigent-care hospital. His experience as a White House fellow gave him a deep understanding of the political issues surrounding health care reform. For the last six years, Gupta has also worked as a journalist whose reporting on health care and health care issues is widely recognized for its objectivity and care.
Mikkel has become the biggest Moore-on of them all…
Moore is going to be CNN’s worst nightmare . . . somebody write that down for future reference.
That’s because you’re a judgmental dick who never, ever listens to the things I actually say - you just make shit up in your head.
Thank you! I’d love to come over for dinner.
Anyway, where would you put yourself? Certainly somewhere on the negative side?
Also, like I said before: name-calling doesn’t work on me.
I think my favorite part of the letter was
I won’t waste your time rehashing your errors. You know what they are.
Let me reiterate it for Moore: “My issues with the Sanjay Gupta piece are so petty and inconsequential, I’d make myself want to vomit if I actually put them into words.”
“My issues with the Sanjay Gupta piece are so petty and inconsequential, I’d make myself want to vomit if I actually put them into words.”
yep, and I thought the way moore behaved was petty too.
No, MJ. You looked in the right places.
Moore got sick of people daring to question his “facts”, so he just completely removed their ability to do so from his site.
thanks artmonkey, I thought that was the case (just didnt want to make moore of an idiot out of myself). it’s a bit of a shame really,even if he just appointed some moderators and answered the odd post every now and then, it would be good for both the moore-fans and the watchers.
completely unrelated… mj, you may be getting an email from me re friday… I THINK I’m gonna be up in newcastle
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Okay, here’s a question for you… how the hell does Moore know what kind of mail CNN has been receiving?
Unless he’s initiated an email bombing campaign of his own?
And, as he has made no public statement requesting that his fans send CNN hate mail, that would only mean that all the mail he knows CNN has received must have come directly from him, and his staff.
Seriously, I would not put it past Moore for a second to send some kind of email spam bomb from his offices. Actually, I would expect something like that from him.
This is very true. It also explains precisely why Moore continues to make the type of films that he does… he has never had the “liberating and cathartic” experience of apologizing for his “mistakes”.
This is why he will never be a “better person”, and will never stop “screwing up.”