Michael claims another victim
Just received this via email. It’s just another example of what a scumbag Mike can be in pursuit of the story he wants to tell. Here’s the money segment, but read the whole thing after the jump.
I went to Lila Lipscomb, who I still thought may be an actress. I asked what was going on and that is when I said the scene was staged. She explained that her son was killed in Iraq. I told her how sorry I was for her loss, I gave her a hug, and told her I couldn’t even imagine what she was going through. I have a son, so I know how horrible it must be. My heart went out to her and I was teary-eyed. She said the President killed her son and I said “No, it was Al-Qaeda and these terrorists that shot down your son.”
I said, “Many people have lost sons and daughters,” and then a voice interrupted me and said, “Did you lose someone in Iraq?” I turned and saw I was being filmed. I said, “No, I was referring to 9/11!” Coming from New Jersey I know many people who have lost loved ones on 9/11, including some very close to me. I thought this was the local news, I still did not know this was for Michael Moore’s movie.
In the movie, Michael Moore edited out what I said, edited out all the sympathies and emotion I expressed for Lila. When she said, “I lost my son,” he edited it to make it appear as if my response was simply “Many people have lost sons and daughters,” making me look heartless to the world. He knew I was referring to 9/11, he was right there listening.
How any rational, thinking human being puts any faith in Moore’s work anymore is beyond me. I literally don’t get people who still trust him. Anyway...more to read. Check it out, and if you can help this woman legally-speaking, I’ll bet the author of the piece will put you in touch.
Request for Help from a Victim of Michael Moore: Interview with Joanne Duetsch
Ryan Mauro - 10/27/2005
Mrs. Joanne Duetsch appeared in filmmaker Michael Moore’s “Fahrenheit 9/11,” during a scene filmed in Washington DC. In the film, Duetsch converses with Moore and his companion, Lila Lipscomb, the mother of a fallen soldier in Iraq. Duetsch claims she never signed a release form, seeks legal assistance, and wants to reveal how Moore edited the scene. She has come to me asking for a way to tell her side of the story. These are her responses to my questions which were given via email and an in-person interview.For those willing to help Mrs. Duetsch, legally or through media coverage, please email me at TDCAnalyst@aol.com.
RM: Joanne, please tell us about your scene in “Fahrenheit 9/11.”
JD: It was March 2004, soon after the bombings in Spain. I was in Laffayette Park sitting on a park bench in front of the White House. I saw a woman walking towards me dressed in black. When the movie came out I found out this was Lila Lipscomb.
I thought she was an actress because when she was being filmed, she looked somber. When the camera came off of her, her demeanor changed as she talked to the man with the camera (who turned out to be Michael Moore—I did not know who he was at the time). He was telling her what to do. I thought they were part of the local news and it was being staged. It dawned on me that the media was filming her to create a scene to embarrass the President.
At the same time, an anti-war demonstration was also being staged with props and lights. In my mind, I remembered Vietnam and what our soldiers had to see. I didn’t want them to have to come home and think we all hated them. They’re at war, they need to know we support them and what they’re doing. I did not want our troops to see this propaganda!
I went to Lila Lipscomb, who I still thought may be an actress. I asked what was going on and that is when I said the scene was staged. She explained that her son was killed in Iraq. I told her how sorry I was for her loss, I gave her a hug, and told her I couldn’t even imagine what she was going through. I have a son, so I know how horrible it must be. My heart went out to her and I was teary-eyed. She said the President killed her son and I said “No, it was Al-Qaeda and these terrorists that shot down your son.”
I said, “Many people have lost sons and daughters,” and then a voice interrupted me and said, “Did you lose someone in Iraq?” I turned and saw I was being filmed. I said, “No, I was referring to 9/11!” Coming from New Jersey I know many people who have lost loved ones on 9/11, including some very close to me. I thought this was the local news, I still did not know this was for Michael Moore’s movie.
In the movie, Michael Moore edited out what I said, edited out all the sympathies and emotion I expressed for Lila. When she said, “I lost my son,” he edited it to make it appear as if my response was simply “Many people have lost sons and daughters,” making me look heartless to the world. He knew I was referring to 9/11, he was right there listening.
RM: He never had you sign a release form?
JD: I never signed a release form.
RM: What has happened in your life as a result of the movie?
JD: I feel I did the right thing by trying to prevent him from demoralizing the troops with a phony demonstration. I acted like I felt an American should act.
I had anxieties and lost a lot of sleep over his misrepresentation of the facts. When the DVD came out before the election I felt worse. I left my yoga class when the instructor started talking about the movie. I felt like I was stabbed all over again and was very upset. My children saw the movie, they understood what happened. My niece contacted me crying from college. She said her friends thought I was a bad person. Michael Moore had just spoken at her college also.
Lila Lipscomb on June 30, 2004 did rounds of personal interviews on “Good Morning America,” “Entertainment Tonight,” etc., with clips showing me in front of the world. I never gave my permission to them!
RM: Are you considering legal action?
JD: I wish I could consider legal action. If anyone thinks I could win this case against Michael Moore, Lions Gate and Miramax, let me know. They are the big guns, and I am the little man.
Originally published here.
Comments
Can someone PLEASE explain to me how F911 was so successful and that the film community gave it all these acalades? I can’t believe it was possible going to be up for Best Picture!
This is filth of the highest order. And yet it’s just going to get ignored by the media.
And about it being posible for the Best Picture award, I think the movie “Alexander” had better chances.
How to make money off the unwashed masses: Tell ‘em what they want to hear.
Ehhh… I guess Liable is somewhat possible… since she’s a private citizen… but she’d have to prove that it’s negatively affected her private life ie work/friends
Gee, someone photochopped in Moore’s movie to represent the exact opposite of what they said. What a shocker.
Unfortunately, MF’ers like Michael Moore get a free pass when it comes to this sort of thing because the people they screw are the very ones they pretend to help. Joanne doesn’t have the money to go to court against MM and LGF and win, so they get to screw her over in any way they want.
didn’t you hear? Michael Moore’s never been sued by anybody ever for anything.
I find it hard to believe that this is the only person who has a grievance like this against Moore.
Maybe individually they don’t have the money/power to fight him, but surely if they banded together, they could file a class-action lawsuit, no?
I wonder if they even know about each other?
I wonder if anyone has ever tried to discover how many of these cases exist, related to F9/11?
It would be very interesting if someone were to do so, and in doing, help facilitate a class action suit being filed.
Did she even get an appearance credit in the movie? Are all the participants’ names in there, to be found? Or is it only those who tow Moore’s line of hate that get their name released?
Along the lines of waht Mospeada said, another case where-by someone with MORE (or is it MOORE) money would win over an average person who can not even afford to fight for their dignity. I would encourage the victim to fight Moore on the matter of principle, but in the end, Moore would win with his financial resources. I also wouldn’t put it above him to use his cameras to publicly humiliate the victim with a documentary about making claims against Michael Moore.
As much as stunts like this don’t surprise me any more it still ticks me off.
I hope she finds a lawyer, I hope she sues the hell out of him, and I hope she wins. It’ll be a long fight though, I mean look how long it took Terry Nichols’s lunatic brother to get Moore to court, but his case was abyssmal. I think this lady has a much better shot.
I hope she finds a lawyer, I hope she sues the hell out of him, and I hope she wins.
something tells me if this were to happen, Moore would create a ‘documentary’ solely on Joanne to discredit her (a la Bush/F911)
Hm. Where are Moore’s little friends on the site? Surely Moore had a good, solid reason for defaming and misportraying a private citizen who had been affected by the tragedy that his movie was supposedly about. C’mon, guys. Tell us something along the lines of “Can’t make an omelette without breaking a few eggs”, I can’t wait.
Par for the course for Moore. =\
Hm. Where are Moore’s little friends on the site? Surely Moore had a good, solid reason for defaming and misportraying a private citizen who had been affected by the tragedy that his movie was supposedly about. C’mon, guys. Tell us something along the lines of “Can’t make an omelette without breaking a few eggs”, I can’t wait.
Maybe the leftie Moore trolls know this is poop they woudl rather not step in. Not that it has stopped them before…
Everyone should know of this kind of deception. Moore must be put on the hotspot immediately to explain his actions- then pelted with rancid rubbish.
Maybe the leftie Moore trolls know this is poop they woudl rather not step in.
It’s always the case. Rare is it that a Mooreon will wade into such a post, because they can’t divert it to Bush or write it off with “But it’s his overall message that’s important!”
In fact… I think that’s a good tactic. If someone is supporting Moore or his policies, I think it should be required that they reply to at least one of these sorts of messages or have their posting priviliges removed.
Can someone PLEASE explain to me how F911 was so successful and that the film community gave it all these acalades? I can’t believe it was possible going to be up for Best Picture!
It wasn’t as successful as its made out to look. It made a lot for documentary...*cough* but in regards to other films not all that much. I believe the Guess Who? movie made more than it. You can probably find a listing of box office earnings for all films in 2004 online somewhere to see how much it made. All the acolades from the film industry, and possibly being up for best picture? Well Hollywood is pretty liberal and really doesn’t like Bush. You don’t need to go much deeper than that.
All the acolades from the film industry, and possibly being up for best picture? Well Hollywood is pretty liberal and really doesn’t like Bush. You don’t need to go much deeper than that.
Indeed. The Oscars are the equivalent of a school newspaper posting a list of the most popular or best-looking students. It’s meaningless and just as likely to be done to hurt someone’s feelings as to enhance someone else’s.
I know, how can anyone put their faith in the scumbag, Michael Moore? By now we have enough evidence that everyone should see that he is exposed as the liar and hater of america that he is. You just can’t trust any media now. Apparently the Washington Post hates america, as well, just like Michael Moore.
Hm. Where are Moore’s little friends on the site?
<looking around> Yeah, I wonder where.....
Apparently the Washington Post hates america, as well, just like Michael Moore.
Oh, there it is. And with the same mating call of all of Moore’s supporters.. “Change the subject! Change the Subject!”
And for a minute there I thought they might finally be out of season.
She should sue because he supposedly never offered her a release form. If she was going to go up against Moore and LGF in a court of law, how much would each of us donate to her cause?
I know, how can anyone put their faith in the scumbag, Michael Moore? By now we have enough evidence that everyone should see that he is exposed as the liar and hater of america that he is. You just can’t trust any media now. Apparently the Washington Post hates america, as well, just like Michael Moore.
I’m sorry, are you talking again?
Posted by wiserbud
Oh, there it is. And with the same mating call of all of Moore’s supporters.. “Change the subject! Change the Subject!”
I have come to the realization of what complete and utter scum Michael Moore is and I have this website and all of you to thank for showing me the overwhelming facts about just how despicable this guy is. And for this, I have changed my entire world view. If a despicable guy like MM is a “champion” for anti-gun views and a hypocrite, america hating person like Sheehan for anti-war sentiment, then I can’t associate with that.
I was just too busy having my political goggles on to actually realize the truth and see the facts as they were presented. I hope she sues Michael Moore. I think she’s got a strong case.
Can someone PLEASE explain to me how F911 was so successful and that the film community gave it all these acalades? I can’t believe it was possible going to be up for Best Picture!
There is no such thing as The Liberal Main Stream Media....There is no such thing as The Liberal Main Stream Media....There is no such thing as The Liberal Main Stream Media....
This is filth of the highest order. And yet it’s just going to get ignored by the media.
Ive searched and your correct, not a mention of this by any other media source, thats disgusting.
If she does sue Mikey, she has a trump card: Michael will SURELY do or say something that will find him in contempt.
It’s always the case. Rare is it that a Mooreon will wade into such a post, because they can’t divert it to Bush or write it off with “But it’s his overall message that’s important!”
In fact… I think that’s a good tactic. If someone is supporting Moore or his policies, I think it should be required that they reply to at least one of these sorts of messages or have their posting priviliges removed.
The zealot’s mantra: the ends justify the means.
I hope this lady does sue Moore and wins. It will help her out, put a blemish on Moore and put off him buying a gold swimming pool for a few weeks.:)
I have come to the realization of what complete and utter scum Michael Moore is and I have this website and all of you to thank for showing me the overwhelming facts about just how despicable this guy is. And for this, I have changed my entire world view. If a despicable guy like MM is a “champion” for anti-gun views and a hypocrite, america hating person like Sheehan for anti-war sentiment, then I can’t associate with that.
I was just too busy having my political goggles on to actually realize the truth and see the facts as they were presented. I hope she sues Michael Moore. I think she’s got a strong case.
You don’t sell sarcasm very well.
I totally sympathize with this lady’s situation. I would hate to be made to look like a fool in front of millions of people as well, especially if my words were being taken out of context. However, allow me to make a brief devil’s advocate argument here.
Since when do you have to get someone’s permission to film them when making a documentary? This “release” issue seems a little goofy. I mean, if taken to the extreme, you would never be allowed to film anybody doing anything.
Since when do you have to get someone’s permission to film them when making a documentary?
Who here has accused Moore of making a documentary?
I don’t mean to rain on your parade budies,
but Moore has his version of the even on tape while Mrs. Joanne Duetsch has nothing but her own word…
Not only is this not the best way to win a lawsuit, it also means that she could be making that shit up cauz moore exposed her as a cold hardhearthed bitch which, for all we know she could very well be…
What do we know, it would be typical of MM to do such a thing and if he had to in order to sell more copies of F9/11 he most definitly would have.
Yet
we cannot be sure he had to edit Mrs. Joanne Duetsch, maybe, she’s just the cold monster we saw in that movie.
So… which one is it ?
Whithout facts, and profs, there is just no way to know.
Let’s not act like the man we are trying to expose and make assumptions based on our political views, that would be very… hum.. Micheal Moorish.
Go pull some money out of your numbered account and buy yourself a clue, Swissboy.
Since when do you have to get someone’s permission to film them when making a documentary? This “release” issue seems a little goofy. I mean, if taken to the extreme, you would never be allowed to film anybody doing anything.
You legally have to get a model release form when using someone’s image (because you’re profitting off their “copyright”, their person). She could technically sue on this basis alone. That’s why on reality shows a lot of times the people in the background and what not whose faces are clearly visible are blurred out.
Although because she brought herself into the camera’s view, there may be no case. If she objected to being shot on tape at the time she would have a stronger case.
Swissboy, you can be an apologist to Moore all you want but if it is his word against hers straight up who would you be inclined to believe. A known liar and manipulator who is free and loose with facts or some woman who we know nothing about?
It has nothing to do with politics, it has everything to do with credibility. Soemthing Moore has thrown out the window since Roger and Me.
Swissboy, he may have the tape, and if its as you may be claiming there… HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAHA… its doubtful. There are many others who have expressed their complaints about being misrepresented by moore, and he has also demonstrated no restraint in editing a piece of film to fit with his agenda. That is a pattern of behavior by him. If this is a possible trial case, he would probably be ordered by the court to hand over a copy of the unedited tape of the recording. And that’s the double edged sword. If you see the unedited clip it would probably show this woman’s story to be true, if michael moore refuses to allow this to be shown then a lot of people will believe that her story is still true and moore doesn’t want people to see that he is the definition of scum.
Bringing herself into the camera’s view does not absolve Mr. Moore of the requirement to get her permission to use her likeness in a movie he is making for profit. The only way Mr. Moore does not need to fulfill this requirement is if the film were non-profit (which it isn’t), or if he has an [unedited] segment where she states her assent, of her own free will, for him to use his likeness in his movie.
Swissboy, let’s not forget about the Congressman from Minnesota’s comments being deleted. In all probability her claim is true but I’m trying to figure out where the edits were made. With Mark Kennedy, it’s easy (right after the edit.)
And if you’ve ever seen Michael Moore Hates America, the bank segment in BFC was HEAVILY edited. As was Charlton Heston’s speech in Denver, etc. etc.
Well, I just popped in here to comment on Moore’s owning Halliburton stock, but I saw this and I figured I’d give it a go. Since I’ve got the film at hand, and all.
The scene in question takes place about six minutes before the end of the film. From when Moore stops narrating to set up Lila’s presence in Washington, a shot begins with Lila noticing an accented woman talking about Bush killing children.
Lila walks over and listens to her for a while. She says “my son killed.” “Yes, my son,” as the woman goes on. “Yes.” Then the accented woman begins to talk about oil, and calls Bush a terrorist.
The shot at this point features the accented woman in the lower right-hand corner of the screen, with Lila on the left. An unidentified woman enters from the left and stands in the center of the screen.
“No he isn’t,” she responds to the accented woman. She then turns so we can see her face, but not completely towards the camera. “This is all staged! This is all staged.”
Lila turns to the unidentified woman, puts her hand to her chest. We now have Lila on the left, and the unidentified woman on the right.
Lila: “My son.”
Woman: “Where was he killed?”
Lila: “You tell me my son...”
Woman: “Where was he killed?”
Lila: “It’s not a stage.
Woman: “Where was he killed?”
Lila: “He was killed in Karbala. April 2nd. It’s not a stage. My son is dead.”
Woman: “There are a lot of other people too...”
Lila turns her back and walks away. The camera follows her as she walks towards the White House.
This, and let me be clear, this is where the first cut occurs since I started describing the scene. Everything until this point has been an unbroken shot. No cuts. A oner, as they say.
Now, maybe they had some other encounter that we don’t see. After the cut, Moore asks in a closeup of Lila, “what did that woman yell at you?”
“That I’m supposed to blame the Al Qaeda.”
I was going to say that it’s not clear if this is supposed to be the same woman, but I watched it one more time, and as Lila walks away (before the cut), you can indeed hear this unidentified woman yell “blame Al Qaeda” as a parting shot.
In any case, what appears in the above post:
does not match with what occured on film.In the movie, Michael Moore edited out what I said, edited out all the sympathies and emotion I expressed for Lila. When she said, “I lost my son,” he edited it to make it appear as if my response was simply “Many people have lost sons and daughters,” making me look heartless to the world. He knew I was referring to 9/11; he was right there listening.
Just a minor amendment, but it appears the quoted Joanne Duetsch is indeed the person I refered to as “unidentified woman,” based on the first picture here:
http://injersey.com/c-n/cnphotojournal/life/donations.shtml
It seems she misremembers her encounter with Lila.
Mr. Brady:
An excellent post and this is what I meant by “I’m trying to figure out where the edits were made.” I am talks with Ms. Deutsch about this to clarify this new development but honestly I don’t believe her story UNLESS they re-staged the scene (which I asked her...I’ll report back.) The sequence, as you said, is all shot from one camera and the audio seems to be cut free.
I’m as anti-Moore as the next guy but I am also skeptical of skeptics. The argument against Moore is weaked if the arguments don’t check out.
More or less. does anyone know for certain what was said after/before the cuts… the entire argument sounds broken.. it would seem logical that a fuller argument took place afte rthe initial emotions died....
I just got an email back from Ms. Deutsch and iggy, you’re right. According to her, there were two chats. Michael Moore left out the second one, where she hugged her and was more sympathetic.
The second meeting happened after the part where Lila is crying her eyes out. I think after this happened Ms. Deutsch realized she was wrong and wanted to set the record straight/apologize.
Steve, I live and work in the DC area and have seen the accented woman in F911. I laughed my butt off when I saw her there. We call her the squirrel lady and she is about as nutty!
I feel the same kind of rage as Joanne Duetsch who appeared in filmmaker Michael Moore’s “Fahrenheit 9/11 without her permission. I too was an unwilling part of his previous lies and ended up in a segment of an eisode of “The Awful Truth”. It was an ambush segment about healthcare. The facts as portrayed were so far from the truth and I was put on the air without ever signing any kind of release or giving consent of any kind. I wish all of the victims of his terror tactics could get together and file suit. But more and more people are learning what he is all about, and I am thankful for this site bringing his hateful deciept to light. And you guys are pretty funny sometimes too.
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Somethings just speak for themselves. I would like to think myself numbed to Moore’s antics… but this is pretty low even by the Mendoza line that is Moore’s ethics.