People doesnt know Sweden was one of the poorest countries in the 1800s we in fact only became rich from the money after ww2,because we could start exporting and work in a industry country.
Also we was never in the war(well we helped the germans but never got attacked) so we could just start exporting and had our country safe.

Why did we not get any damn aid at that time?
because we where white?blonde people?

Also you here about racism etc when things like this happend to america,but has people looked how it looks in eastern europe or russia?
White people are starving and dying there,why doesnt other people enlight that problem or help them?
I always see some africans or asian people like they are the only ones,it doesnt make a good story to show a white person dying of starvation in tv right?
I know they want to save or help black people on tv cause that help their image,heck even sean penn in his leacking boat would be dissapointed if he only could have saved white fat people no matter if they where children or old trust me.

Getting tired of this racist debate etc,wasn’t new orleans mayor black?
He should have been one of the people leaving last,did he?
or did he left people behind?! i have no idea,but if he did he is guilty.
And why did they in that state leave all busses and not used them?!
They had all chancse to leave the place,or inform the poor people to get the fuck out of there,or did the people there expecting a helicopter from gov coming to their rescues?!

No im not heartless if someone think so,i just think the people there should have left,and the people i ncharge in that state/city should have informed and made people leave,and if they didn’t then there is none to blame but themself.

This, more than anything else, exemplifies in my mind the reason that black Americans are, as a whole, so poor.  It’s not for a lack of ability or opportunity, it’s an attitudinal one on their part. 

Well I don’t think Bush is a racist but you certainly are one according to the strict definition of racism, what you posted is rasict. Jugding a group of people on racial basis.

Needless to mention its insulting, unfair, and totaly ridiculus, blacks aren’t lazy because their black. some are, some aren’t just like every one else.

Moore in his mail to bush sounded as he thought bush was the reason many black poor people was living there etc,but wait a minute,wasn’t bill clinton a democrat,and was in power for 8 years?
What did he do to stop the poverty in new orleans?
Or the democrats,would be glad to get a answere from someone that knows.

Well I don’t think Bush is a racist but you certainly are one according to the strict definition of racism, what you posted is rasict. Jugding a group of people on racial basis.

You have a point...if you take Lee’s words out of context like you did.

Needless to mention its insulting, unfair, and totaly ridiculus, blacks aren’t lazy because their black. some are, some aren’t just like every one else.

Having read Lee’s ENTIRE post, I’m sure you’re aware he said as much.

Lets suppose Kayne West’s comments are true.  Wouldn’t it hurt a supposed racist govt. more to have New Orleans under water considering the amount of revenue generated by the port, tourism and oil?  I guess I can’t expect Kayne to have common sense.  It doesn’t sell as many CD’s

You have a point...if you take Lee’s words out of context like you did.

well its pretty much the same within context… I don’t see why kanye West being stupid makes it less racist.

But it might have overreacted, I am a BIG fan....

i understand anythin i may say on the contrary to racism may make myself look racist, but im will to sacrifice that notion for the attmept to point a few things out (anyone who reads this and things I am racist should reconsider that opinion).

With that, how do these sound?

-Katherine Blanco is a racist for her incompetence as gov.

-I propose WET (White Entertainment Television)

-There should be a White History Month

-Organization of NAAC (National Association for the advancement of caucasions)

Do any of these sound awkward?  Which race appearently has the tendency to create more segregation/racism?

I undertand no race is perfect, but Kanye West’s portrayal of racism throught ‘white america’ is absurd when there is no such thing (for those liberals out there, im not implying there is no such thing as racism, just the concept of a racist ‘white america’) In fact, one may make the case that they are closer to the concept of a ‘black america’.

Kanye West’s portrayal of racism throught ‘white america’

Should read:

Kanye West’s portrayal of racism throughout ‘white america’

well its pretty much the same within context… I don’t see why kanye West being stupid makes it less racist.

But it might have overreacted, I am a BIG fan....

The wording itself could have been better.  “As a whole” is a kind of generalization, which can be stereotyping in certain contexts.  However, in reading the article you would realize that he doesn’t really mean “all blacks are poor” and “all blacks have an attitude problem.” He even cites successful blacks that have successful attitudes.

The slip of words in that one sentence is a very thin premise on which to base your accusation of certain racism, when the whole commentary is in context.  You have to WANT to find racism in order to do that.  By that standard, I’m all sorts of horrible things.  Very likely, so are you.

The slip of words in that one sentence is a very thin premise on which to base your accusation of certain racism

I don’t think it was a slip of words.  I think those words were carefully chosen and what he said is true.

“Black America” is not a label given by outsiders.  It is a label that many blacks have given themselves.  Just as a poster above mentioned, with the NAACP and Black History month and all that.  When people cry racism in this country, they are absolutely correct.  Racism has not died, its switched sides.  People like Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson, leaders in the black community, are race baiters.  They need to instill this idea of wide spread racism in order to justify their existances and to make their money.  What is it that they do, exactly, that nets them so much money?  They find any conflict that involves minorities and cry racism, these people who are leaders in the black community.

And just as Lee pointed out in the article, the stereotype is perpetuated by the black community.  A certain kind of behaviour is expected and if your do not follow that, then you aren’t black, or black enough, or you are acting white.  You all saw how much flak Cosby took for pointing out problems as he saw it in the black community.  Instead of people taking his words to heart, they immediately turned on him.  Why?

Rap music, black culture, black history month, black history courses.  These are forms of self imposed segregation.  Like iggy said, why isn’t there a white history month?  Because we don’t need one.  Why isn’t there a white history course in school?  Because there were more then one colour of people in this country and it is addressed without giving preference to any one side.  Through these forms, blacks are purposefully seperating themselves from the rest of America.  Instead of speaking correct english, we hear these made up words.  “For shizzle my nizzle.  Sho’ nuff. Off the chain, off the hook, etc.” Why is that?  Instead of dressing like everyone else, we see the heavy sagging and one pant leg rolled up, and putting jewelry in teeth and such.  Why?  Why isn’t there an asian history month?  Why isn’t there a spanish history month?  Why isn’t there a europen/russian/arab history month?  Like I said, these are not thing imposed upon black society by the red/white/yellow/orange/blue/brown/green society.  This is self imposed.  So why?

lee i think what you wrote is absolutely brilliant. great job.

I am a BIG fan....

Of Kanye West?  Forget that he’s a loudmouthed idiot talking directly out of his ass...dude, he’s AWFUL.  Musically.  Figures you’d love him.

Like I said, these are not thing imposed upon black society by the red/white/yellow/orange/blue/brown/green society.  This is self imposed.  So why?

I agree largely with what you said.  I don’t think that reverse-racism is the driving force, but it happens to be one of the tools in the struggle.  Another tool is the assumed racism of others.  Sometimes both are used by the same advocate in a bizarre display of self-righteous contradiction.  So what is the driving force?

Victimhood, I offer.  They expect compensation for being victims of a perceived injustice.  They’re clearly not racists in the form of, “all blacks are good, all others are bad.” You mentioned that they have turned on Cosby even though he is black and wants to help fellow blacks.  They embrace caucasians who support their cause.  The common thread is victimhood.  Cosby challenges it, caucasian allies support it.  Their race didn’t matter.  Some even excoriate the successful careers of Colin Powell and Condi Rice with claims of them selling out.  Examples of success challenge the notion of victimhood!

So it may not be as fruitful we’d like to challenge them for racism and race-baiting.  Pin them when they do it, for sure.  But the driver of the movement is the notion of being rewarded for being victims and, consequently, being branded a traitor for being successful on your own merit.

In five years, people will be talking about the hurricane and West will be a footnote.  People will be asking, “who the @#$% is Kanye West?” That’s my big problem with this article.  Rapper boy is just one dude.  He’s just a small reflection of the real issue: people digging for evidence of racism.  So one more dufus thinks racism is the reason this flood took (or supposedly took) more black lives than white lives?  The problem is that a bunch of people think so.  Making Kanye West a topic of conversation is surely either what he wanted or affirming what he feels.

Making Kanye West a topic of conversation is surely either what he wanted or affirming what he feels.

Im sure he was ‘put in the forefront’ long before this post was made. It seems to me that the media picked right up on kanye who was willing to make this public statment.  I doubt discussing it here will give him too much exposure.

It’s not that it gives him exposure, but I guess what it is is that it reflects that he has that kind-of exposure.  Maybe I got carried away and that my “why do we talk about him?” post became a “don’t talk about him post,” though.

Point taken.

Even after hearing about the statement, I’d never actually heard of Kayne West before...had no idea who he was.

iggy, with yout tv network idea...can we have it have t-shirt contests?

and as for the whole victimisation thing....after some new talk about affirmative action in the UC system in the news, I did write up something about it, with some minor number crunching and all, at <A HREF=http://lowbacca.blogspot.com/#race>my blog that is also listed in my profile</A>.

hope its ok to make a small plug of myself here since its on topic, and I figured its simpler than trying to just reformat it to make it a comment

http://lowbacca.blogspot.com/#race
hmm...this should be clickable then

Katherine Blanco is a racist for her incompetence as gov.

- No, just a dumb ass that should have never been elected.

I propose WET (White Entertainment Television)

It’s called Bloomberg TV

There should be a White History Month

They are eleven already

Organization of NAAC (National Association for the advancement of caucasions)

That reminds me of something, wait… Oh yeah, the republican party !

That reminds me of something, wait… Oh yeah, the republican party !

First, love the written account of your thought process.  It’s right up there with actually typing the word “um.” So, could you give some examples of how the Republican party has only provided for the advancement of caucasians?  Or was that just something you pulled out of your ass because you thought it made for good stand-up comedy?

There should be a White History Month

I actually belive that it would be better to remove such racist orginizations and events.

The Negro College Fund is one that also frustrates me.  Why should the color of your skin have anything to do with what kind of scholarship you are eligible for?

I hope everyone realizes that i was not serious when i made those suggestions.  And, as Swisboy reacted to the, it really does back my point.  And swissboy, you cant honestly think that the eleven ‘other’ months are ‘white history months’.  Do you see it advertise as white history months? Do you see only significant whites focused on throughout those months?  Maybe you did 30-40 years ago, (or amybe in your country?) but not today.

Also, i enjoy your comment on my NAAC suggestion.  Im sure youre familiar with several Black Republicans, so i wont bother naming them.

And swissboy, you cant honestly think that the eleven ‘other’ months are ‘white history months’.  Do you see it advertise as white history months?

To be honest, I always felt that black history month did a lot more harm than good.  Every time I see a profile of someone black pioneer on TV, I feel like they may as well just slap on the tag line, “He was great ... for a black guy.” If I were black, I’d be embarrassed by that kind of attention both in those TV spots and in the hurricane coverage.  Then again, pride is a major part of the equation when it comes to feeling embarrassment or having the desire to get out of poverty.

"They are eleven already”
No, that would imply it was only about whites. As the educational system features, in the elementary school level, a lot of focus on native americans (at least in california...i would expect comprable things elsewhere) that alone is a lot of time spent on a group thats not white.

Racism does exist and it is terrible but I don’t think it is applicable in every situation and what has happened in New Orleans is an example of that. The more likely reason is simply incompetence. But I guess imcompetence isn’t as newsworthy as wild allegations of racism.
Quez is right by suggesting that the race card being played is all media hype. Ask the eighty percent who left what they think. Ask the people of Mississippi whom the media largely ignores. And only in America (Canada, too, but that goes without saying) can this blame game crap go on.
Just my opinion.

the people of Mississippi whom the media largely ignores.

You’d think they’d at least cover the 33% that are black in Gulfport or the 20% that are black in Biloxi.
http://www.epodunk.com

The only thing I can say is that I’m tired of having to dance around these types of conversations without being accused of being a racist.  Plain and simple, I’ve met more black people who are racist than white people.  I’m tired of taking the blame for their poverty and oppression.  I guess I should sue the NBA because the number of blacks compared to whites is greatly skewed compared to the general population.  Oh, but wait, these guys actually get the jobs based on their ability.  Plain and simple, blacks for the most part are better at basketball than whites, so we see more of them in the NBA making millions of dollars, but I don’t hear any outcries about this injustice.  Dave Chapelle (who I find to be extremely funny) can say whatever racist remarks he wants about whites and blacks, and we laugh, because it’s funny.  But if Seinfeld were to say anything remotely similar to what Chapelle has, he would be branded a racist for life never to be heard from again. 

P.S.  Does anyone care about the Native Americans anymore.  I know the blacks don’t give a f’ing crap about any minority other than themselves.

The problem with America is that blacks and other minorities have been able to take advantage of a flawed system.  What percent of black people living today have experienced slavery first hand?  I have never owned a slave, and have never seen it first hand.  As an upstanding, responsible, white citizen of the greatest country on earth, it angers me that these people are able to get away with playing the blame game.  BREAK THE CYCLE!!  You are not forced to live a life of poverty, and just because your great-great grandpa was a slave does not mean I owe you some sort of an apology.  If you look at the most successful blacks in America, they are the most rejected by their own race.  Why?  I think it’s because people just do not want to work hard.  My parents never taught me to expect a free ride.  I was always taught to work for what I want, and shoot for the stars.  It urkes me that people actually think they don’t have a chance.  Get your ass out of the country if it’s so bad.  Maybe Africa would be better?  Give someone else a chance.  Our system just caters to the weak, because for too long liberals have felt sorry for these people.  The people that had to go through all of the pain and suffering would be outraged at the lengths these younger generations of people are taking their freedoms.  In no way should they have more rights than everyone else.  But, that’s their attitude because America has let them see it that way.  Another problem caused by the liberal way of thinking.

Kanye West?  Forget that he’s a loudmouthed idiot talking directly out of his ass...dude, he’s AWFUL.  Musically.

Damn straight.  After hearing all that critical hoopla blowing smoke up his ample ass about how “innovative” and “creative” his music supposedly is, I finally heard most of his LP “College Dropout” a few weeks ago in a pub, and it was one of the shittiest musical experiences I’ve had in a while.  Tired, played out, simultaneously dull and annoying like most modern rap. 

Lee said in his piece that his colour dosen’t factor into his success, but I wonder if a white guy, who couldn’t trade on the pop-culture mystique of “blackness” to any degree, would get such critical hosannas for dishing out such crap.

It’s sad that Kanye West now thinks he is entitled to be an ass now that he is somewhat popular.  Unlike most of his rap peers, Kanye West grew up comfortably in a saburban neighborhood, and never had to struggle.  Most of the good rappers, Jay-Z, Biggy, Snoop, Eminem, Dre, etc.. actually used their rap as a form of expression to discuss their struggles in life.  They didn’t do it to “get rich.” Kanye is an ignorant individual.  He used a telethon to voice his B.S. opinion that didn’t make a whole lot of sense.  In his rap, he constantly is making remarks about his days struggling, and his current status as a celebrity.  What days struggling?  He couldn’t hack it in college, so I guess that would be a bit of a struggle?  All of this hoopla is coming from a man (or more appropriatley, boy) who threw a royal fit at the Grammy awards because he didn’t win best new artist.  Shove it, Kanye.  You suck.  You can’t rap, and if it weren’t for Jay Z pampering your ass, you wouldn’t be shit.