Scum With Tits
There’s an interesting little point/counterpoint in my local birdcage liner about the upcoming slate of Iraq War-themed films, and how they are inevitably going to be left-wing and anti-war. The liberal, arguing in favor of the anti-war films, writes the following.
“Grace is Gone” concerns a road trip taken by a man (John Cusack) whose wife has been killed in Iraq. In light of the right’s brass-knuckles treatment of antiwar mom Cindy Sheehan, I expect no end of jokes will be made at the expense of this film by the ever-sensitive Ann Coulter and her ultra-scrupulous confederates.
Readers of this blog know that I think Mann Coulter is a vulgar, vile, disgusting transvestite who has done as much to sully the name of conservatism as anyone else the last few years, but in this case I’l taking her side. The “brass-knuckles treatment of antiwar mom Cindy Sheehan” was/is entirely deserved, because Cindy Sheehan put herself in that position. To argue that “the right” is hostile towards anti-war mothers of dead soldiers, I’d like to see another mother this “brass knuckles” approach was used against. I’m sitting here and I can’t think of the name of another single anti-war mother, even though they inevitably exist. Why is that? If the right was so “brass knuckles” in its approach, wouldn’t the ground be littered with the corpses of the poor, harmless mothers of dead soldiers, struck down in their prime by the right-wing hit machine? Their names should be household, but they aren’t, because ONE NAME decided to hog all the press for herself.
Let’s take a look back to my first post on the subject of the treatment of Cindy Sheehan, from 8/11/05, when she was really starting to make a name for herself.
By holding herself out as the hood ornament for the anti-war left, Sheehan has certainly opened the door for legitimate criticism of her motives and beliefs. You won’t find anyone more supporting of that than me. But all too often I have seen a real degree of contempt for the woman creep in to what should otherwise be legitimate comments, and I think that’s absolutely fucking shameful. This woman lost her son, and while you are and should be free to discuss her recent political activism, cut the woman some slack in the other areas. I think some of the things she has said and done recently have been absolutely disgraceful and I have said as much, but I’m not going to attack the mother of a wounded soldier.
Let me put it this way. As Jim rightfully wrote earlier today, the real focus here should be Casey and his sacrifice for a cause he believed in. That being said, this is the woman who gave birth to Casey; who breast fed him, and wiped his behind, and taught him to walk, and pinned his corsage on his prom tuxedo, and loved him for every year of his life. I have no doubt that Casey loved his mother in return. No matter how much he might have disagreed with his mother on certain political views, I don’t doubt for a second that if Casey could read some of the things that “patriotic Americans” have said about his mother he would be absolutely devastated, and were he here in person there’s a whole lot of people who would find themselves knocked on their asses by him.
Have some fucking respect.
I meant every word of that then, and I stand by it now. It was only when “Peace Mom” began badmouthing the mothers of dead soldiers who happened to disagree with her anti-war political views that I decided she had lost any inherent respect the mother of a dead soldier deserves. If Sheehan wasn’t prepared to show proper respect to her contemporaries, then I sure as hell wasn’t required to show any to Sheehan. But before Sheehan was belittling pro-war mothers, and hobnobbing with Huga Chavez and America’s enemies, there were many of us on the right who felt that, as the mother of a fallen soldier, she was worthy of the highest levels of respect. It’s just a shame that there are so many people out there who think that only mothers who hold an anti-war stance are worthy of this fundamental decorum.
Cindy Sheehan is the mother of a fallen US soldier. She is also a traitorous anti-American scumbag, who deserves every bit of criticism she receives from the likes of Mann Coulter. Both of them are filth.
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That’s what you were told. This is all to uphold our great Amurican values. Or was it because Iraq supported turrists, er I mean it was because WMD. No wait, they intended to aquire. Ah damn, I can’t remember right.
Perhaps this or this will refresh your memory.
I swear, for as much as liberals purport to be so intelligent and advanced, they seem to see the world so simplistically…
I swear, for as much as liberals purport to be so intelligent and advanced, they seem to see the world so simplistically…
Perhaps I spoke too quickly, MidStreamHorse, so if I painted you undeservedly as a liberal, my apologies. But you sounded suspiciously like many of the liberals I’m surrounded by (I live in CA.)
Back when the first talks about going in to Iraq I was 100% for it. Then the troop build-up in Kuwait I was for it.
Since the invasion I have not changed my stand but how I look at the whole Iraq now. How the war was being handled in the early stages.
I am an Operation Desert Shield and Storm veteran. No that does not give me any great insight to our present situation but it does give me something. I have a small understanding of my enemy. My father taught me that the best way to beat your enemy is to know him as well as you can. This is something I took to heart.
When the Coliation forces started disarming the ruling parties in Iraq I knew this would backfire and it did. As soon as Americans started making decision about daily problems for the Iriqi people this would be seen as not a very good thing.
Ground commanders were asking for more troops since day 1. Then almost 4 years later they are there. What too you so long to wake up to the reality. I don’t believe it was 100% Rummies fault either. A largfe part maybe but complete no I just can’t see that.
I am really disgusted that the military has forgotten lessons learned from past mistakes. Then we have DC trying to run the war. Lastly we have the press partly making up stories and never EVER (oh no we can have that) reporting on the positave things going on in Iraq everyday. God forbid they report something like wells being dig, schools being built and bad guys being killed.
Sorry for the rant but I really hate the way things have turned in the last 3 years. I still support our soldiers, marines, sailors and Airmen (Air people for you PC “people") when ever and how ever I can. I am in a uniqe position where I can visit wounded soldiers in Landstuhl. I bring them what I can Operatio Up-Link phone cards and what ever I can get locally from different sponsers. The list goes on. Basicly I do what I can to support our troops. the mission I still support the war but not the the fire that I once did.
But we have Cindy Sheehan socalled protector of peace and all that shit shouting all her crap. running around with communists and sucking up to same. She opened her very life up to the world when she started her “campaign” She allowed herself to be put on stage and examined by everone with the stomach for it and she thought she would be sen as a hero the world over. then she got all hurt that not everyone was automaticly in love with her.
Piss on her.
One minor correction:
She allowed herself to be put on stage
Should read: “She fought and clawed her way onstage”
Perhaps I spoke too quickly, MidStreamHorse, so if I painted you undeservedly as a liberal, my apologies. But you sounded suspiciously like many of the liberals I’m surrounded by (I live in CA.)
Bismark-
He apparently thinks that being “utopia” is a worthwhile goal for a society, and that misspelling America is a clever means to make some profound political statement, so I’m fairly sure you don’t owe anything to anyone.
Scald-
Having been in the military in several different capacities for the past nine years, I will claim some insight into our present situation. I have not yet been to Iraq. I am, however, currently sitting in the middle of a dessert waiting for the work up for our deployment to Iraq to begin in earnest.
From my perspective, among the biggest mistakes the Bush administration made was failing to realize what an utter mess the post-Clinton military was, and placing too much faith in the cluster of drooling retards that occupy far to many of the senior leadership positions within the military. It’s not even a matter of the politicians not listening to military leaders anymore; in order to become a senior leader, on both the enlisted and officer side of the house, it’s far more important to be a politician than it is to be deserving of the job. Among the mistakes Bush and his administration have made is failing to build an effective force before starting a war.
I’ll conclude by saying that, while the military still has many problems, necessity has made it better.
I don’t believe we can know what Cindy was thinking or expecting. She could have expected people not to like her. One never knows.
Twice in one moment, Vermin said what two other women were thinking without even asking them. In my mind, a hallmark of someone who is refusing to communicate and thereby refusing to understand what is going on outside of their own egocentric existence.
That actually seems like simplistic thinking to me. Yer wit’ us er agin’ us. If you think this thing, you must think these other things as well.
Bismarck, vermin is definitely wrong. You may owe something to someone somewhere. But not me. Yeah. Although, your intuition was right. I don’t classify myself as liberal. I’m as disgusted by “liberals” as I am by “conservatives.” But I can see how some of what I say would resemble what you experience in CA.
I don’t purport to be so intelligent and advanced. However, I also don’t see things in simplistic terms unless what I’m looking at is a simple matter.
To me, it is a simple matter that war is wrong no matter who is doing it. It’s simple that an eye for an eye is not the answer. It’s simple that just about every government in the history of humanity distorts the activities and realities about an opposing state for the purpose of propagandizing their people into supporting violence which almost always has the ultimate end of serving only the very few at the unseen top. It’s simple to me that the victors write history and so the cycle of belief that war brings happiness and freedom to human beings goes on.
I don’t know if those links do anything more than support my statements. It’s still a little blurry. Even Bush is now cowering and wavering on the reasons. “oh but we thought” That’s not good enough.
I don’t “think” anything I do is clever. Although I do “think” spelling America two different ways makes a very clear statement efficiently. And it also entertains me.
Vermin, if you take away only one point, I’d like it to be this. Cindy’s son died in what we were told was an attempt to continue America’s longstanding tradition of using violence to protect Cindy’s right to do what she is doing. So, calm down, and step outside the wall. Someday you might need to voice your stand peaceably.
I hope you come from your experience in Iraq feeling stronger and better than when you left.
Whether utopia is a worthwhile goal is irrelevant. The fact is that the United States has a disturbingly large amount of potential to be utopia with the federal reserve scam still in full throttle mode.
No starving people, no homeless people. And enough resource left over to help other countries. I’m not talking about handouts from government. I’m talking about everyone having equal opportunity to earn more than livable wages, keep what you earn and spend what you earn on the nutrition, housing, and health needs as one sees fit. We have this at our finger tips.
But we feel that cable TV, lotteries, fast food, i-pods, i-phones and slave labor made clothes deserve our endless billions of federal reserve notes a year instead. We willingly hand over billions to a few people and then complain that we can’t pay for things like healthcare.
Utopia is simply a logical conclusion when one assesses the resources that the United States has. We are in a state of willful ignorance and decadence. A system failure from the bottom up and the top down. A spiritual bankruptcy that leads to mass dementia with symptoms like Michael Moore and his slob cohorts.
To me, it is a simple matter that war is wrong no matter who is doing it.
So, to clarify, it was wrong for the U.S. to allow itself to be engaged into war after the attack on Pearl Harbor...?
I don’t “think” anything I do is clever.
You think correctly on that, at least.
Twice in one moment, Vermin said what two other women were thinking without even asking them. In my mind, a hallmark of someone who is refusing to communicate and thereby refusing to understand what is going on outside of their own egocentric existence.
Midstream horse, assuming you are a woman, that makes one. Who is the other? At what point did I claim to know what either you or this mythical second woman were thinking? I did make an assumption about the statement you thought your silly little misspelling of America made, and in your next post you confirmed my assumption.
Vermin, if you take away only one point, I’d like it to be this. Cindy’s son died in what we were told was an attempt to continue America’s longstanding tradition of using violence to protect Cindy’s right to do what she is doing. So, calm down, and step outside the wall. Someday you might need to voice your stand peaceably.
Midstream, if you take away only one point, I’d like it to be this: I don’t give a rat’s ass about Cindy, and at no point in my comment did I mention her or her son.
A secondary point is that “we” were told no such thing. A third point is that I am in fact quite calm, and have absolutely no problem standing peaceably when it’s appropriate. In fact, I’m using my voice to stand peaceably against your ridiculous, overly simplistic world view right now.
Utopia is simply a logical conclusion when one assesses the resources that the United States has.
Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. Utopia is and always has been a state of unattainable perfection. It is not even science fiction, it’s only fantasy. And to judge anyone or anything against perfection is folly. (And for the love of God, please don’t use the “we should all strive for perfection” mantra.)
I’m talking about everyone having equal opportunity to earn more than livable wages, keep what you earn and spend what you earn on the nutrition, housing, and health needs as one sees fit. We have this at our finger tips.
EXACTLY. It is already at your fingertips, yet many people don’t even strive—or choose to strive—for those things within their grasp.
A system failure from the bottom up and the top down.
Now that, THAT is Standard Liberal Mantra(tm). And that’s why I could never be a liberal again, because I’ve rejected the intelligentsia’s flat-rate dour outlook on life and America.
Which gives me a perfect segue to one of my favorite quotes: “One is not superior merely because one sees the world as odious.”—Chateaubriand
[Hopefully I’m not terribly off-topic with all of this. I think it still roundly applies to Casey’s Mother and to Hollywood.]
Posted by MidstreamHorse on 09/26/2007 at 09:57 PM (Link to this comment | )
Whether utopia is a worthwhile goal is irrelevant. The fact is that the United States has a disturbingly large amount of potential to be utopia with the federal reserve scam still in full throttle mode.
Utopians always tend to overestimate our wealth and ablities. Just the entitlement programs we have now are going to bankrupt us… we are already over extended.
The next thing they all do (left or right) is then look for scapegoats to blame for the utopia never showing up… which is why Utopians are often dangerous and bring on distopias… Whether via violence or causing their respective societies to collapse from over extention.
You missed the point. I excluded handouts from utopia. Handouts are the opposite of utopia. You missed it because you’ve trained yourself to miss it. It’s easier.
And nevermind the fact that I use utopia as a reference more than a literal goal I believe anyone should hold. I am not a “utopian.” I wonder how complicated one has to be to understand that a person need not be a “utopian” in order to use the term as a reference.
I make the point that we choose to make a select few billionaires with our own pocket money and complain that we are poor. How much money do CEO’s of McDonalds and Comcast have? How much money do the rest of us have? Whose choice was it to buy the Big Mac?
Lotteries are always in the millions and often billions. Imagine if every one who buys a lottery ticket puts that dollar into a healthcare pot instead...ideally speaking for the purpose of making a point, not literally...for those who might get confused.
You need to believe that because I am not all on one side, I can’t be any on it. And continue to call me simplistic. That’s amazing to me.
Vermin, I love your evolved tactic of continuing to level the same insult over and over no matter what. I could tell you of the Ph.D. I hold and my studies in world government and my dissertation that lays out my own unique view of societies struggles and new solutions which have never been tried before in the face of all the ones that continue to keep humans in a state of tension, hostility and war, and you will still say I am simplistic. You will say that no matter what, because it is all you have in your arsenal.
If “clever” is something you crave, please make a clever statement. I’d like to be entertained by it as well.
So, to satisfy the nearly unanimous need here for “complicated views of the world” I state: the American occupation in Iraq is good. War is often a necessary means to an end. I worship all those who lay down in the name of freedom, peace and security. Security can definitely happen in this country as a result of the Iraq war and occupation. Now that Saddam is gone, the world is far safer. Muslims are a terribly misunderstood threat to our freedom and our country. Anyone with an opposing view to my own is wrong and is an America hating liberal. Once I decide on a view, this is definitely the view that no one can publicly oppose without being labeled as scum by me.
And, based on my experience in Washington on the 15th, I shall spit on, grab signs, verbally abuse, push, punch, kick and beat anyone who opposes my view.
Now I feel complicated. I feel right. And it feels good.
PEACE
If you don’t think that Americans were told back in 2001 that we were going to invade these countries to protect American values which include our supposed freedom, you may be out of touch with reality.
Remember “evil-doers” and “cause they hate america, they hate our freedoms.” It is provable fact that Bush and all those around him were stating blatantly that we must do this to “protect our freedoms.” If you choose to pretend that didn’t happen, you live in chaos.
Bismarck, from the top down meaning, top government officials are corrupt. They lie to all Americans. They make decisions which cause problems. Whether it is Bush lying about war or Hillary lying about her great desire for “everyone to have healthcare.”
The need for reactionary labeling and categorizing suggests to me that one is not as complicated a thinker as they seem to want others to think when they hand out accusations of simplicity.
Should I assume that because you think Cindy is wrong, you would have spit on us and beat us in Washington just like others who hold that view?
All or nothing thinking? Not complicated.
From the bottom up meaning that we, the masses, who hold the true power in this country, choose mental illness, overconsumption and willful ignorance that allows these upper tier folks to keep doing what they are doing. It’s not a blanket evaluation of America. It is merely meant to say that corruption, decadence and selfishness permeates society. I recognize that there are good people and good cities and good groups. However, the vast majority of Americans make selfish choices.
I know the love for debate and argue will make you counterpoint me again. But, I communicate. I don’t debate. So, if anyone wants to have a genuine conversation about whether Cindy Sheehan is a scum with tits, one where we learn from each other, e-mail soneill9@gmail.com.
And, based on my experience in Washington on the 15th, I shall spit on, grab signs, verbally abuse, push, punch, kick and beat anyone who opposes my view.
That sounds vaguely like being on the wrong side of the “honk if you hate bush” protesters here in Los Angeles…
seems to be a disconnect withThe need for reactionary labeling and categorizing suggests to me that one is not as complicated a thinker as they seem to want others to think
If you don’t like war, you don’t like Amurica. If you don’t stand behind the Iraq occupation, yer agin’ Amurica.
Perhaps I’m misinterpreting you here, but that sounds like a slur towards Southerners...? Which appears to be a categorization which—you admitted—amuses you.
Do you not see this debate as being communication? That perhaps—as you are trying to educate us—we are likewise trying to educate you?
re: labeling you as “simplistic”—in my defense, I stated that liberals view the world simplistically, a label which you rejected.
Midstream, either start reading my posts or stop addressing comments to me. At no point did I insult anyone. At no point did I repeat said insult. At no point did I say I desired something clever. At no point did I mention either Sheehan, other than the last time I pointed out that I hadn’t mentioned them.
At no point did I say I desired a complex world view. I did say that your blanket “violence is wrong” pronouncement is overly simple, and I was right.
By the way, due to the rambling, craptastic nature of your writing and your lack of basic reading comprehension skills, I’m calling bullshit on your claim to hold a Ph.D.
Reading your posts is like having a conversation with some bizarre talking Krusty the clown doll. I say something then pull the chord. Nobody has any way of knowing what’s going to come out, but everyone is pretty sure it won’t have anything to do with what I said. There, now I’ve insulted you.
Posted by MidstreamHorse on 09/27/2007 at 01:33 PM (Link to this comment | )
‘You missed the point. I excluded handouts from utopia. Handouts are the opposite of utopia. You missed it because you’ve trained yourself to miss it. It’s easier.’
No, because I don’t care that you exclude handouts.
Any lost productive ability caused by government action is what I’d count towards possible over extension.
Example: Requiring armies of accountants to comply with financial regulations is the same as a ‘handout’ in my mind (it costs the society productivity). On the other hand, none the less sometimes regulations are necessary (re: even though they have their cost/s, they produce a good… that we need)…
It’s a balancing act… really.
Meet the needs of a complex society without imposing so many costs… on the society… that it can no longer function.
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I find her annoying, but I wouldn’t say she is filth or any of that. Anyway, I really feel sorry that this kind of thinking exists in the world. If you don’t like war, you don’t like Amurica. If you don’t stand behind the Iraq occupation, yer agin’ Amurica.
I think this is the greatest country on Earth and maybe in the history of humanity. I stand against the Iraq occupation. I stand against all war, no matter who starts them or who thinks they’re finishing them. I am in full support of all the protests and even attend them, whether the Communists try to hijack the movement or not. My spirit says killing is wrong. Violence is wrong. That is what I will represent. I wave my AMERICAN flag while I do it.
Her son died supposedly to preserve the right of his mother to do what she is doing. That’s what you were told. This is all to uphold our great Amurican values. Or was it because Iraq supported turrists, er I mean it was because WMD. No wait, they intended to aquire. Ah damn, I can’t remember right.
I think America is a very good place with far more potential to be utopia than it knows. There is no other country I would want to live in.
It’s Amurica that I dislike.