Amazing.

Why isn’t the mainstream media this good at asking tough questions?

Silly JimK.  Still thinking the mainstream media is unbiased.  Next you’ll tell me that Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, and God are all real.

Why isn’t the mainstream media this good at asking tough questions?

That’s easy, cause then they wouldn’t get to use her later when she does the next stupid thing she does in a long line of really stupid things.

This way they don’t have to look like idiots when they try to make her good again.  Just wait.  They will use her again.

Anyone click on the audio? I’ve never heard this womens voice before but now that I have...goddamn she sounds...ugh its so annoying...she also sounds like she’s high or something. When she was arguing god she sounded like a little kid arguing on the play ground.

I have many problems with the MSM and don’t think much of the vast majority of journalists, but while they are ignorant they are not stupid.  I’m sure most of them have heard enough of Casey’s mother to know that she is not exactly a deep thinker and is definitely not very knowledgeable (after all, they hear and read it all, but just don’t broadcast and print it).  They are not going to damage or destroy what in effect is a person who is on their side, although it is the fringe.  All it would take is a half page article in a news magazine or a three minute broadcast report using nothing but her own words to completely delegitimize Casey’s mother in the eyes of all but her most fervent followers.  After all, she is still “the grieving mother of the slain soldier who wants to ask President Bush why her son died” via the major media.  If the MSM presented her as she really is, “the grieving mother who associates with communists, white supremacists, dictators, terrorists and terrorist sympathizers and who thinks the President is a fascist and terrorist, that her country is not worth fighting for, dishonors her hero son and shills for some of the vilest groups in the country,” their phone lines and servers would crash due to the huge numbers of people telling them to get the whining media whore off of the air.

While Sheehan is a tired subject, i cant help but enjoy reading interviews with her..  its addicting,.  Its like watching TV bloopers....  you cant help but to watch someone fall flat on their face in public.  (as long as its not you)

If sheehan is claiming that shes not responsible for the memorial and newspaper ads, then why is she in so much support for them?

Next time someone goes to ask SHeehan questions, they need to bring the actual article clippings (actaully, probably the whoole damn newspaper), actual recordings of her infamous quotes, and pictures just to see see how sheehan weasels her way out of them....  <in a very nervous/shrill voiuce--not hillary:> “umm...uh.... thats a lie, thats not me, youre a liar....where’s Michael”

Just out of interest - is there anyone here who actually still supports these wars? If yes, then please give reasons (real reasons, not based on the US Govt untruths and excuses). I’m really interested to know, because suprisingly there’s still about a third of Americans supporting it despite the fact that none of the officially given reasons hold any water. Is it more a case of supporting troops to keep up their morale or full support for the invasion/occupation?

“the grieving mother who associates with communists, white supremacists…

I guess that says it all really - she’s associated with both the far left AND the far right. Either she’s a contradiction in terms or she’s ‘a uniter, not a divider’ hehe!!!

Actually, if she’s managing to bring together everyone from the far left to the far right to attack the extreme right then she’s done the very thing that politicians have been striving for years to achieve - amazing, especially when you hear her speak - perhaps she’s uniting them all in loathing of her irritating self!? heh

They are not going to damage or destroy what in effect is a person who is on their side, although it is the fringe. 

Precisely! how else do you think Blair keeps getting away with it? The MSM will never upset the status quo, it pays their wages. They’ll continue to play along with the facade that we have democracy and more than a single party system, occassionally seeming to switch party allegiance as the public mood swings, but all the while maintaining the balance. The last thing they need is for the public to stop consuming, start waking up, and ask awkward questions like “why does your newspaper sell advertising space to auto manufacturers and airlines alongside stories talking of the need for something to be done about global warming?”.

It’s the unfortunate disadvantage of leading any movement, it can lead to strange bedfellows.  The same thing happened to MLK.  He was called a communist because a reporter he was hanging around with, and wanted to be his minister of information, was a card carrying member of the American Communist Party.  Now I don’t completely compare Sheehan to MLK, except they’re both similar in that they’re the leaders of a movement.  Calling her a communist, terrorist sympathizer is just nuts, and a simplistic way to defeat an argument you don’t agree with.

Who is this reporter?  They need to send her to the White House, she’s great.  Can never complain about a reporter grilling a guest, even if this reporter has a pro-war ideology, which I don’t know if she does.  That’s a kick ass encounter.

If yes, then please give reasons (real reasons, not based on the US Govt untruths and excuses).

Why don’t you start off with the “untruths” or, as most people call them, lies.

Actually, if she’s managing to bring together everyone from the far left to the far right to attack the extreme right ...

Your really have no clue about what you are talking about, do you?

The last thing they need is for the public to stop consuming, start waking up, and ask awkward questions like “why does your newspaper sell advertising space to auto manufacturers and airlines alongside stories talking of the need for something to be done about global warming?”

How about asking the awkward questions like “Why do you always write as if global warming is a fact but never quote any of the plethora of scientists that say otherwise?”

Mecareaper - Where did you hear the audio to this newsclip? Was it on the internet? Although I guess it would be rather masochistic of me to actually WANT to hear Sheahan’s voice, I guess it would be worth the few minutes of pain to hear and not just read the interview.

MostlyRepubMan, if you use the link at the top of this page and then scroll down the page just before the comments, there is an audio link.

Cindy,

You’re fading away, you tool. You’re fading away.

What about all the Moore press conferences that went on which you people refused to post anything about, you no longer post Moore’s online horseshit ramblings.

What press conferences Fairplay?  Do you have links?  Sites?  If there were any press conferences of value or substance, trust me, I would be racing to get it posted here before Jimk, Lee or Para.
And as for his “ramblings” all Moore does these days is post other people’s articles on his site.  Mostly from far-left libbie lemming sites like Moveon.org, democraticunderground and alternet.  The only thing that was written by him is his latest letter asking for people’s healthcare stories and we have already covered that.
But seriously, if you have links to press conferences of Moore that have more than one or two little comments of his, we would love to have those!

This article really makes me wish that Cindy had taken questions at the rally I saw her at.  Truth be told, she does have the most annoying, whiny sounding voice you have ever heard!

Thanks Rumble...I got it figured out and listened to Cindy back pedal on every issue that she was directed with.
The only thing I am disappointed in is that I got the impression from the audience’s reaction that they were there to support her and only a handful of people showed-up to oppose her.
As was stated, I wish Moore would finish his movie so we have something else on this site to talk about other than the newest tirades of Ms. Sheahan.

Ive been pretty much ignoring most of this Cindy Sheehan stuff.  But, its been a slow day, so I read over this thread, and read the linked article. 

I still dont care about the whole Cindy Sheehan thing.  I really just find it all sad and pathetic. 

But .... some of the links in that article, the ones that are supposed to support statements made against Cindy Sheehan in that talk, dont seem to support them at all. 

For example…

DEBORAH JOHNS: I am not finished. You have also made the statement, that our military men and women who don the uniform and carry the weapon are the “ultimate terrorists and murderers...”

CINDY SHEEHAN: Oh my God! I have never said that!

DEBORAH JOHNS: Yes, you did!

and “ultimate terrorists and murderers...” brings you to the following link:

link

I dont see those words in there anywhere?  The closest I could find was this…

But now that we have decimated the country, the borders are open, freedom fighters from other countries are going in, and they [American troops] have created more terrorism by going to an Islamic country, devastating the country and killing innocent people in that country.

I find it interesting that WND added in the “[American troops]”.  If you ignore that part that was added in, wouldnt it read like she was saying the “freedom fighters from other countries” are the “they” being referred to? 

Anyway, seems like MM has more influence than I had ever thought… everyone is doing it!

Fortunately, once Moore raises his bulbous sweaty head again, Sheehan will fade away and no one will pay any attention to her anymore.  Give it time people.  Consider Rush Limbaugh and Howard Stern.  Both in the spotlight for a while and now they are both bylines and punchlines.  I mean, does anyone really give a hairy rat’s ass about Stern and Sirius radio?
As a wise man once said, “A candle that burns twice as bright, burns half as long”
Sheehan’s little candle is very close to burn out!

Slightly OT

(Heard this on Hannity, yes i listened to him today, i must be an evil Koolaid drinking anti-freedom republican)

Storm the White House
Multi-Day Event, Beginning March 15, come when you can and stay as long as you can - we are taking over the White House until they leave.
Wednesday, March 15th 2006 12:00 AM
Washington, DC USA

TAKE THE WHITE HOUSE BY STORM - Stop Genocide, Torture and Occupation

U.N. SOS - We need your help to end the reign of international criminals.  // calling for aid from foreign powers (actually the expand on this further in)?

It is our duty and the duty of the United Nations to rescue the people of the world from the U.S. dictators. Murder for occupation and theft of land is illegal. Murder of journalists is criminal. Remove the traitors who have stolen the U.S. budget and used it to commit international crimes against humanity.

//Isnt that what Saddam was doing?

If we were being bombed and our journalists were being murdered here in the U.S. by a foreign country’s military, we would hope that the people of that country would stop what they are doing and go to their president’s office and demand that it was stopped. If we were the ones burying thousands and thousands of our family members and watching the destruction of the homes, schools, churches and offices that we had worked for decades to build, we would hope that someone, somewhere would care enough to do something for us. We must stop the criminals in our government NOW. There is no meeting with Congress that is going to change what they are doing. We must put the power of the people into action and stay there until they leave!

Inviting everyone to the White House…

//for a party? without permission,...sneaky!  Free Drinks or BYOB?!

..for a protest rally to show that we do not accept the criminal government, illegal wars and the permanent occupation planned for Iraq and Afghanistan. For Nat Turner, For Martin and Coretta, For all the Torture and Assassination in Afghanistan, Iraq, Haiti and many others - We will not allow the Slave Holders that Still Prevail in this Country to Rule us any longer. Imprisonment and torture based on race, religion, resources or region is no different than the slavery we sought to abolish years ago. The Administration is Criminal and if they will not step down, we must storm in, show them how many of us do not accept a criminal government. How can we stand by and watch them kill our brothers, sisters, journalists and friends for their dollars?

We are calling on all citizens and governments in every country to stand with us. We are calling on all Member Nations of the U.N.;…

//Are these the same UN members who didnt want to remove Saddam (for the same reasons they accuse Bush of)?

...All Representatives and Justices in the World Court and International Criminal Courts; All Human Rights Advocates; All Soldiers and CIA agents and government officials who have been blackmailed or are in fear of the dictators to join us in ending this reign of corporate terror in our government. The World Criminal Courts need to incarcerate Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld for admitted crimes and known crimes of international scope. The Political Cooperative will put a new, temporary government in place that is comprised of people from Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch and all the organizations that have finally made us aware of the truth of the savage practices and illegal policies of our government in assassinating our own officials as well as people throughout the world who oppose their criminal activity. We need all of you to save U.S. victims and global victims from their ongoing criminal activity. We are calling on the military, police, citizens and religious organizations to stand with us and help us to bring democracy back to the United States and by doing so, free the world from the wrath, occupation, theft, torture, blackmail and assassination by the Criminals in the United States Government. What they have done all over the world is much worse than what Saddam Hussein has done, so why are they not in jail too? They have admitted to international and national crimes, so why have they not been taken to Court too?

Location:
White House, Washington DC Starting March 15th, come for as long as you can and bring signs that say U.N. SOS and “Leave Now” or whatever you would like to say. Ride Share and Room

[i left out emails out of respect]

My question,… whats the legality of this (they claim its supposed to be peaceful, but that wont stop the law from doing their job...will it?)

FYI----i added my own commentary in the above…

Just out of interest - is there anyone here who actually still supports these wars? If yes, then please give reasons (real reasons, not based on the US Govt untruths and excuses).

Need we say more!

Simply brilliant JimK.  Sheehan is such a fucking tool.  It is just joyous to watch what (if any) credibility she has left evaporate like a puddle in the Sahara.

Hopefully not too far off-topic.  I found this article from Newsweek that addressed the little tricks and outright lies More used in Fartinhype 9/11:

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/5335853/site/newsweek/

This might not be related to each other, but I found it curious anyway.
Ever since Cindy was here in Hawaii, I have been writing to her about once a week asking her the questions I wanted to ask her at her little rally.  And one of the questions pertained to her ignoring her other children so she can go globe hopping because they do nothing for her attention-seeking cause!
While she still hasnt responded I did notice that her most recent little letter on Moore’s site had this at the end:

Cindy Sheehan is the proud mother of Spc. Casey Austin Sheehan who was 24 when he was KIA in Sadr City, Iraq on 04/04/04. She is also the author of Not One More Mother’s Child available at www.koabooks.com. Cindy is the founder and President of Gold Star Families for Peace www.GSFP.org Cindy is above all the very proud mother of Carly, Andy, and Janey Sheehan who hold down the fort in California.

(bold and italics done by me)
Anyone ever heard anything from good old Carly, Andy or Janey about their feelings for their moonbat attention-whore of a mother and her escapades?  Not to mention how they feel about the divorce of their parents that was caused by Cindy’s attention seeking campaign?

Ever since Cindy was here in Hawaii, I have been writing to her about once a week

Wow!  I guess I didnt realize just how big she is!

I still support the war because the alternative was letting Saddam Hussein continue to brutalize the country and that just wasn’t right.

I don’t necessarily support all the actions that have been taken in the way the war has been run - reasonable people can definitely disagree on that (like you can say that certain cities or areas should have been better protected, or more troops should have been sent in earlier, things like that).

But the basic fact is that Saddam and Saddam alone is responsible for the fact that there IS a war, because if he’d obeyed the UN directives it wouldn’t have been necessary for someone to take action in the first place.

But the basic fact is that Saddam and Saddam alone is responsible for the fact that there IS a war, because if he’d obeyed the UN directives it wouldn’t have been necessary for someone to take action in the first place.

The left will never, ever, acknoledge that statement.  Bush would have been justified on those grounds alone, yet chose the gambit of WMD’s (which is still TBD or unprovable even if true). 

But the left’s protest of the war is contrarian politics and NOT any real poitn of view (save for the few peaceniks).  It is about taking the opposing view to the president regardless of what the subject is.  Whiel there have been valid criticisms of the president and the war made, the root of the left’s cause is none of them.  If you spout off a million statements, it is likely some of them will be right.

It’s been a while since I’ve last posted, but I stopped by and saw this commonly held misconception held by opponents to the war in Iraq:

I’m really interested to know, because suprisingly there’s still about a third of Americans supporting it despite the fact that none of the officially given reasons hold any water. Is it more a case of supporting troops to keep up their morale or full support for the invasion/occupation?

NONE of the officially given reasons are holding any water?
How about the human rights reason given two months before the invasion of Iraq (seen here in Bush’s State of the Union address in 2003):

The dictator who is assembling the world’s most dangerous weapons has already used them on whole villages—leaving thousands of his own citizens dead, blind, or disfigured. Iraqi refugees tell us how forced confessions are obtained—by torturing children while their parents are made to watch. International human rights groups have catalogued other methods used in the torture chambers of Iraq: electric shock, burning with hot irons, dripping acid on the skin, mutilation with electric drills, cutting out tongues, and rape. If this is not evil, then evil has no meaning. (Applause.)

And tonight I have a message for the brave and oppressed people of Iraq: Your enemy is not surrounding your country—your enemy is ruling your country. (Applause.) And the day he and his regime are removed from power will be the day of your liberation.

Source:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/01/20030128-19.html

While the Bush administration overemphasized the WMD reason for going to war that would later prove to be erroneous, human rights violations was clearly a reason given for the invasion.

Would you, M-RES, like to argue that that reason does not hold water?

I dont see those words in there anywhere?  The closest I could find was this…

True, it appears that she did not directly call the US soldiers “terrorists”, and applies that title rather generously to President Bush.

But Sheehan HAS spoken in harsh terms about the war in Iraq calling it a “nuclear war” and a “war of aggression” and that “we’re waging a war of terror”.

Source:
http://iraqwar.mirror-world.ru/article/60214

She points the finger at Bush for the war, but who does she think is carrying out the war in Iraq?  Clearly, it’s the US soldiers doing the “nuclear war”, the “war of aggression”, the “war of terror”.  Oh, but she isn’t calling the US soldier’s “terrorists”.  Only Bush.

Uh-huh.

ninjacat: What you’re arguing seems logical, but aren’t you afraid it’s a slippery slope?  If we invade every regime that is harmful to its people, we’ll be fighting one continuous war for the rest of our grandchildrens’ lives.  What about Darfur?  Other Middle Eastern nations?  China?  Southeast Asian countries?  There are a lot of violent regimes out there, are you sure you want to take them all on?  We couldn’t.  Not without the world feeling like we’re an expanding Empire.  Someone will end up responding with nukes, and then all bets are off.  Even Reagan, Bush I, and Kennedy knew that would be a disaster.

ninjacat: What you’re arguing seems logical, but aren’t you afraid it’s a slippery slope?  If we invade every regime that is harmful to its people, we’ll be fighting one continuous war for the rest of our grandchildrens’ lives.

Dr. Engine,
you’re right in stating that we can’t invade all of the countries with human rights violations simultaneously(sadly, there are far too many of those in this world today for even countries like the United States to take on at once).  This does not mean we couldn’t invade Iraq out of some fairness to the other countries suffering under brutal dictatorships. 

An “All or nothing” foreign policy, in all likelihood, would not be particularly effective in handling the world’s problems, because any problem you might want to tackle can be found elsewhere in the world if you look hard enough. If you stood by and did nothing because the same problem exists everywhere, then nothing would ever change.

Human rights was not the defining reason for invading Iraq, but it was one of them. 

Pertaining to Iraq, I personally think the invasion occured for strategic reasons.  Not only did it remove a human rights violating dictator bent on acquiring WMD, the invasion also was thought to establish the beginning of democratic reform missing in most of the Middle East.  By creating a stable, democratic Iraq, it would produce a much needed ally in the Middle East and also influence other potentially terrorist-friendly countries to take on democratic reforms.  At least, that was the plan.  Sadly, Iraq is in very poor shape today.

But something in Iraq exists today that didn’t exist in under Saddam’s rule, and that’s the potential for a better tomorrow. The Iraqi’s have had three democratic elections, whereas under Saddam they were mere rubberstamp events for creating the illusion of a democratic Iraq whose leader was supported by the people.  Despite the lapses of freedom and civil liberties and freedom brought on by the instability and violence in Iraq, the Iraqis possess considerably more freedom than they ever would under Saddam, his sons, or whatever came after him.

The reason Iraq was invaded and not Saudi Arabia or China or North Korea was because Iraq had all the right attributes for invasion: weak defenses, an unpopular ruler, abundant resources to rebuild the country, etc.

It is rather interesting you mention Darfur, however.  The world’s inactivity and diplomatic wrangling in that region in Sudan has likely left tens of thousands dead.  So far, what little defense that has been provided for the poor suffering people in Darfur against the janjaweed has been fairly uneffective.  I think Darfur demonstrates a textbook case of the failures of not sending in enough military personnel to stop a human rights crisis.

Good to know that this is what you guys are focusing on right now. It’s not as if there are actually important and relevant issues facing the country at the moment. Cindy Sheenhan could turn out to be a man, and it will still not fix any of the problems that are present in the U.S. right now.

Gee chairman, you mean problems like hypocritical democrats and morons like Sheehan who travel the globe acting as if they represent the rest of us while badmouthing our country and dancing on her own son’s grave for attention?

Just out of interest - is there anyone here who actually still supports these wars? If yes, then please give reasons (real reasons, not based on the US Govt untruths and excuses). I’m really interested to know, because suprisingly there’s still about a third of Americans supporting it despite the fact that none of the officially given reasons hold any water. Is it more a case of supporting troops to keep up their morale or full support for the invasion/occupation?

i’ve got an answer for who. friend of mine that just left for navy,(i think it was that navy was most interested in recruiting him after basic testing). he reported in yesterday, i’d asked him monday night and as of then he still felt that removing saddam was a good thing

Good to know that this is what you guys are focusing on right now. It’s not as if there are actually important and relevant issues facing the country at the moment.

Like the Cheney hunting accident or the re-release of the ‘Bush knew about Katrina’ news?

Just out of interest - is there anyone here who actually still supports these wars?

I have on close friend that i still continually talk to that is in the military (I know others, but i’ve lost contact after college).  MY good friend, constantly tell s me about how we are doing the right thing and how we needed to oust Saddam.  I’ve talked to some of his military friends and they all (about 5 more) have the exact same opinions of the war..

Now, one could call them brainwashed, or, you could call them more informed than the genreal public.  As i have personally witnessed, the moral and opinions of the war from those that matter, those that will be over there fighting, have never faded. I cannot thank our troops enough.

ninjacat: What you’re arguing seems logical, but aren’t you afraid it’s a slippery slope?  If we invade every regime that is harmful to its people, we’ll be fighting one continuous war for the rest of our grandchildrens’ lives.

The difference between Iraq and all those other regimes was that not only was Saddam murdering his own people, he also attacked another country, attempted to assassinate a US president, fired at US planes on thousands of occasions, and overtly threatened the US.  Oh yeah, he also illegally held an officer in my Navy as a war trophy for EIGHT YEARS.  Even if he did not have WMDs, which is a big if and anyone who says they know for sure is a lying douche, he was violating sanctions imposed to keep him from acquiring them, and that was reason enough why he had to be removed.

The other difference between Iraq and human rights violators such as, say, China, is that China is much more powerful.  Defeating China would cost much more than we are willing to spend, both economically and in terms of life.  Its analogous to seeing an old woman being attacked in a parking lot.  If her attacker is one 110lb man with a mustache and beret, you help her out.  If she is being raped by say, several million Chinese soldiers, you better go get your French friend, and your German, friend, etc…

By the way, I’m new here.  How’s everyone doing?  Great site.

Gee chairman, you mean problems like hypocritical democrats and morons like Sheehan who travel the globe acting as if they represent the rest of us while badmouthing our country and dancing on her own son’s grave for attention?

Seems to be working.  She definitly has your attention!

Up4, are you really proud of her?  Seriosuly?  Because your smug fucking comments surely make you seem proud as a new poppa.

Up4, are you really proud of her?  Seriosuly?

Proud of her?  God no.  Im embarrased for her.  And I really cant understand all of the attention some people give her.  Why?  Do you really think there is any danger of her changing any policy, or even of the troops believing that America hates them because of her actions?  I dont see it. I can see posting things on here once in a while about her.  Slow news time as far as MM is concerned.  But writing TO her once a week?  I think letting the Cindy Sheehan story die wouldnt be such a bad thing.  I just see discussing her all the time almost as a sign of respect.  Like she deserves your attention.  Just stop.

Hey!  I would love to get a bunch of right-wing whackos together and go protest outside Sheehan’s house and harass her at all of her little rallies.  But I don’t have big money bags like George Soros footing my bills.
So I do the next best thing.  I keep the pressure up through the wonder of the internet.  And in each of my e-mails I challenge her self-proclaimed courage and ask her what right she has to call the President a coward for not answering her questions when she doesn’t have the guts to answer mine.

If any of you are looking for an extra place to vent your disgust about about Cindy,you might want to give this link a try:

www.sweetness-light.com