Here’s the story on Sicko:
http://www.indiewire.com/ots/2006/09/toronto_06_dail_3.html

Hmm...what are the chances that the more research he does the more he realizes he is wrong about free national health care?

Hmm...what are the chances that the more research he does the more he realizes he is wrong about free national health care?

That would assume Moore’s research and academic research have anything in common. Evidence would seem to indicate that Moore starts from a point of view and goes looking to find (or invent) data to support that view, rather than starting with a subject and researching available data on it.

Thus, it’s more likely that Moore’s having a hard time finding or creating enough footage to support his idealized view of socialized medicine.

Hey Watt, let me ask you: is anything in your house made in China, Korea, Taiwan or any South American country?

If so, you’re being a hypocrite.  No way around it.  If not, you live in a hut you built yourself, you wear animal skins and palm leaves and are borrowing a computer.

Im all for free speech, but really, just ban this idiot.

I’m not the one who’s employing people at lower wages, because I don’t want to compete, by providing a better product or service with my current work-force. And it’s not my fault that these faceless corporations are eliminating my choices as a consumer by buying out small businesses, just so they can line their pockets with money on top of the corporate welfare they already get from Republinazis like yourself. Real hypocrisy, on the other hand, is when you keep trashing universal health care, and then post an update asking people to donate to one of your members whose wife can’t afford treatment for her ailment.

OMG ROFLOL.  Are you for real?  Do you have any idea of how business actually works, or are you just regurgitating the stuff that your public school Social Studies “teacher” talked about last week?  Wal Mart has come to market with a business model and it is succeeding.  That does not rule out other business models (e.g. niche small businesses)from succeeding.

Back on topic:

I wonder how much film about prescription will have to be left on the cutting room floor because of this development. I wonder if Moore has enough other stuff to fill a movie?

Has the truth ever really got in the way of one of Michael Moore’s “films” before?

And it’s not my fault that these faceless corporations are eliminating my choices as a consumer

Break out your tinfoil hat there Watt!
You DO have choices!  You can go down to the local farmer’s market to buy your produce, you can raise your own animals or go hunt and fish for your meat.  You can go to locally owned companies and buy your own materials to sew your own clothes.  But you DON’T do that because it’s INCONVENIENT!!
Oh, and here’s a little factoid you should keep close to your heart, EVERY “faceless corporation” started out as a small business!!  Walmart started as a small five and dime.  Blockbuster started out as one little video rental place.  Starbucks started with two guys making crappy coffee in Seattle.  EVERY corporation started out small.  And they all got big through hard work, business savvy and the drive and determination of a few people who were not going to let go of their American Dream!

Watt, there’s no way around it…
You, sir, are a twit.
A simple-minded, two-dimensional regurgitation device that completely lacks the ability to see any facet of reality that reaches any deeper than the pre-programmed one-liners handed out to you through the haze of clove cigarettes at the local campus-town coffee house.
You’re a twit. That’s all. A tool.
What’s more… a you’re a lathe… the most useless kind of tool.

Walmart offers their “low income” jobs to those whose previous options were either lower income jobs, or no jobs at all.
What’s more, they were not only approving of the recent minimum wage hike, but their support for it was likely the major reason it passed.
As for healthcare, contrary to the noise in your little echo-chamber, walmart does provide excellent healthcare packages to it’s full-time employees, and limited packages to it’s part-time employees.
What’s important to note, is, those same people have almost no chance of finding any healthcare package from any other employer at their job level.

Lastly, you simpleton, nobody here… nobody… had ever asked for help in paying their, or their loved-ones’, medical bills.
It has never happened. NEVER.
Maybe if, when raising you, your parents put less value on mindless bandwagon jumping, and more on the ability to read and comprehend, you would have understood that better.

So take your ingorant pukings elsewhere you mindless little meat puppet.

It is, quite simply, ignorant little trolls like you that have made this world a worse place to live. Without your ilk, we would probably be in a Jetsons-esque paradise by now.

I Googled “Michael Moore Walmart” to see if he has said anything about the Prescription plan Paratrooper brought up.  Most of the hits are about Moore and the gum ammunition stunt in Bowling for Columbine.  (Strange, I remembered that being K-Mart) He seems quiet on the subject.  Again with my faulty memory, didn’t he get in some trouble a few years back about making a crack about how he preferred chain grocery stores to small independents because he thought the working class was better served by them? (seems to me a charge of racism was somehow involved with the remark) Anyway, my speculation is we might be surprised where Moore comes out on this.  He routinely advocates setting one corporation off against another.  He might prefer Walmart to Pfizer.

A lathe is a very useful tool.

"Zinger”? Watt?  Yeah, Ok, whatever!  Man are you ever full of yourself!  But I’ll play along:

Not if they’re forcing GMOs into the food supply and buying out all the collectives…

Then go down to the local nursery, buy some seeds and grow your own food you lazy fuck!

And where do I get the money for that?

(raising your own animals)
From all the money you save from growing your own vegetables instead of buying them from some EEEEEVIL corporate supermarket!

Not if it’s full of lead and mercury.

(fish)
then eat tofu bitch!!

There aren’t any local companies anymore around here.
And to be able to sew takes hours. I don’t feel like living like the Amish, just to flip off CEOs who should know better, but don’t, and hurt an entire city like Flint because of their greed.

Holy shit!  it’s Michael Moore!  No, wait, it’s just another willingly brainwashed moonbat neodem who believes everything Moore says!  Hey jackhole!  Don’t sit there and bitch about how much shit costs and about your money going toward corporations if you’re too goddam lazy to do something about it!

And every corporation used questionable business practices to get where they are today.

Really? And you know this for a fact about EVERY CORPORATION?  And you have proof, right?  Huh? No you don’t?  Then you’re full of shit!

I am rooting for 1 Watt because he just doesn’t seem that bright. *cymbals*

You think Watt knows about Wal-Mart’s connections to the Clintons?

I think most people by now know that if there is an injustice in the world, the Clintons probably have something to do with it.

Watt,

Is that short for low-wattage light bulb (aka something brighter than you)?

You are seriously funny.  I have to believe that you are just on here trolling because nobody could actually be that stupid.

I’m not the one who’s employing people at lower wages

I can believe that, because you cannot afford to pay anyone any wages, because you are a failure at life, therefore you have no money.

because I don’t want to compete

Well, I think we can all believe that about you as well, because in any competition you would obviously lose. 

But seriously, lets look at your entire sentence:

I’m not the one who’s employing people at lower wages, because I don’t want to compete, by providing a better product or service with my current work-force.

Wal-Mart is competing.  They are competing by employing people at wages that the people accept in exchange for their labor.  Nobody is forcing these people to work for Wal-Mart.  Slavery was abolished over 100 years ago.  If anybody does not want to work for Wal-Mart, they do not have to.  Here, I’ll demonstrate.

I do not want to work for Wal-Mart.  Well what do you know - I don’t work for Wal-Mart.  My, that was easy.

And it’s not my fault that these faceless corporations are eliminating my choices as a consumer by buying out small businesses,

No “faceless corporation” can buy out any small business that does not want to be bought out.  Absent eminent domain proceedings (and private entities cannot excercise such powers - at least not directly) or an involuntary bankruptcy proceeding, no one can be forced to sell anything that they do not want to sell.  You may counter that under the Kelo decision, governments can force someone to sell their land to a local government who can then turn it over to a private party to be developed into a Wal-Mart or the like.  This is true, however this involves more than just Wal-Mart, it involves locally elected officials as well.  And I think you would be hard pressed to find many conservatives who support such action or even any who support the Kelo decision which authorizes such actions.

Let’s go back to the whole sentence:

And it’s not my fault that these faceless corporations are eliminating my choices as a consumer by buying out small businesses, just so they can line their pockets with money on top of the corporate welfare they already get from Republinazis like yourself.

I don’t know what you think the purpose of business is (be it large or small), but its purpose is to “line the pockets” of the owners with something called a profit.  Otherwise, it is called a charity.  And business is how people earn a living.  Not just the officers and directors of a company, but all of its shareholders, including average people who scrimped and saved to be able to put some away and put it into an investment they thought would do well. 

As for corporate welfare, most conservatives would be opposed to that coming from the federal level.  At the local level (which is where most “corporate welfare” takes place in the form of local tax breaks and assistance with infrastructure), localities are also in the market of attracting jobs to their area.  Who can provide jobs?  Businesses!  Who provides the most jobs in one fell swoop?  Big businesses!!  Local “corporate welfare” is how they compete for businesses to locate in their area and bring lots and lots of jobs.  These jobs are filled by taxpayers who then fill up local tax coffers with the individual taxes they pay (either income or sales taxes). (continued)

As for your choices being reduced, you can always start a business yourself to help increase your own choices and those of the people in the area where you live.  The government even has an agency that will help you by providing grants and education and networking.  It is called the Small Business Administration.  They help out small businesses all the time.

Also, I would love to know where you live, such that the only choice you have is to shop at a Wal-Mart.  Why, even if they are the only store close by, I am sure there are others that are just a little further away.  I know its a little tougher, but given your demonstrated passion against Wal-Mart, I am sure it would be a small sacrifice.  Or you could do some shopping online.  If you went to E-bay, you could help out some real small businesses by giving them some business.  I am sure they would appreciate it.

Actually, it’s failing. Their stock’s down, and they’re losing to competitors, because of their clothes are cheaply produced.

But ... but ... how is that possible?  I thought they were all evil and all-powerful.  Such that they could force people to work for wages lower than they agreed to.  And such that they can buy out all the small businesses everywhere.  Why don’t they just buy out their competitors, since they apparently have the power to force people to sell their businesses to them? 

You just demonstrated that Wal-Mart is like any other business and must compete - which of course, directly contradicts your earlier statement.  Nice job, moron.

And you do realize that they are a retailer, not a manufacturer, right?

Not if they’re forcing GMOs into the food supply and buying out all the collectives…

You can see my comments above about how, absent an eminent domain proceeding, no collective can be forced to sell anything.  Try again.

And where do I get the money for that?

Try getting a job.  If it is full time work, you will probably even get benefits (i.e. health insurance).

Not if it’s full of lead and mercury.

Seriously, where do you live?  If I were you, I would seriously consider moving.

There aren’t any local companies anymore around here.

Dude.  Seriously.  Move.  Apparently you live in a third world country.

And to be able to sew takes hours. I don’t feel like living like the Amish, just to flip off CEOs who should know better, but don’t, and hurt an entire city like Flint because of their greed.

Ah, we get to the crux of the situation.  You don’t feel like actually doing anything about the things you are complaining about.  You just want to complain.  Get off your lazy behind and do something about your complaints, because we are just going to ignore you.  If you want to be happier, do something about it.

And every corporation used questionable business practices to get where they are today.

EVERY one?!?  Are you ABSOLUTELY sure about that?  If so, perhaps you should compile some evidence of their questionable business practices and then take it to the press, because they tend to love printing/showing stories like that.  HUGE ratings.  HUGE!

That’s great for the Chinese and El Savadorians, but what about the rest of us?

Are you against good jobs for poor people in those countries?  And we thought you were the compassionate type.  Guess we were wrong.  Oh, and there are still plenty of jobs here in the good ole U S of A.  Seems it is real inconvenient to shop in China or El Salvador if you live in Missouri.  And there must be clerks and stockboys and managers and greeters at those stores, right?

Wake me up when they approve a living wage hike.

WAKE UP!!!

Wow, so every article I’ve read where Wal-Mart employees complain their insurance barely covers their needs must be a lie.

Why are they complaining if their needs are covered?  Whether the doctor is paid a minimum fee or a bonus, what do they care as long as they are receiving the treatment they need?  Or are you not so much in favor of getting people what they need as you are in favor of re-distributing wealth in furtherance of the great communist ideal?

And I’m sure you’ll find those WMDs, too…

They already did, but that is a conversation for another thread.

yngclt:

“Zinger”? Watt?  Yeah, Ok, whatever!

Please do not confuse us.  I am the good-looking smart one.  Low Wattage Bulb is the one on the short bus.

Posted by up4debate on 01/19 at 02:47 PM (Link to this comment)
I think most people by now know that if there is an injustice in the world, the Clintons probably have something to do with it.

I’m speaking of Hillary being a member of Wal-Mart’s Board while her husband was governor of Arkansas.  You know since Watt wants to blame that evil corporation Wal-Mart all on Evil Republicans he really should know that the people whose boots he would gladly lick had a role in it becoming such a dominating force in the market.

I’m speaking of Hillary being a member of Wal-Mart’s Board while her husband was governor of Arkansas.

I understand what you mean. 

had a role in it becoming such a dominating force in the market.

I do not know what she did there, but must have been alot to give her that kind of credit.  I guess you could say the cleaning crew has played a role in it becoming a dominating force as well though :)

The bottom line is, the Clintons are evil, Walmart is an amazing story.  Or, I guess, Walmart is evil, and the Clintons are an amazing story.