Absolutely not, think888.  One should go to BlogAds.com via this link, this link or this one.  Thanks for the assist though!  Always appreciated.

Mmmm. Capitalism.

I am nothing.

Well, you’re certainly right about that.

Just a couple of confirmations/clarifications:

1.  The 2006 Data Crash JimK cites erased all blog entries and forum posts between April-something and August-something, 2006.  It is horrible luck that several relevant blog posts were dated in that timeframe.  I remember the crash well.  The site was down for a week, and there was trauma in the forums about how much had been lost.  Before anybody expresses the wiseacre idea that this crash is just too convenient...it wasn’t convenient at all.  Not one bit.

2.  The crash was caused by the host provider at the time, who JimK cited, who was basically scamming his clients.  Everybody would have loved for there to be backups, but the provider wasn’t performing those.  There was money to be made!  The main support was lip service.

A lot of people are coming to this site with preconceived notions about JimK based on the things they are reading that didn’t consult him in the least.  If you value fairness and honesty, ditch those preconceived notions and let JimK speak for himself.  Many of those notions have been challenged in the comments of prior blog entries.  If you think you’re going to bring up something new, please read the immediately preceding entries and comments and make sure you’re not just rehashing an old, outdated argument.  We’ll notice if you do.

This whole deal is really something, JimK…

btw, I think you need to mention the great server meltdown a few more times, because that whole thing really sucked… ; )

Here’s a thought… you could’ve just left it anonymous and not checked it out. If someone donated anonymously, it’s because they didn’t want you to know who they were. Furthermore, given your extreme hatred for this Moar guy, you could’ve just said nothing at all. Sounds to me like you don’t give a fuck about your wife’s health. Neither do I, actually. I’d sooner let her die than give you or anyone else in the work 12k. LOL. 

I’ve never seen a Moar movie so I don’t even know who the guy is, but hating someone you’ve never seen and devoting a website to them is a ridiculous waste of time. Perhaps you would have 12k for your wife’s health if you didn’t dump it into this website. Y/Y? In case you’re wondering, I tracked you down from ONTD in this post about you: http://community.livejournal.com/ohnotheydidnt/12518656.html

Best not to make ONTD hate you, bb.

Hey Bleh… I’ve got a question: What possesses a person to post a comment to a blog post they didn’t bother to read? I’ve never quite understood that and I’d appreciate any insight you have to offer.

Posted by Bleh on 05/19 at 11:58 PM

Here’s a thought… you could’ve just left it anonymous and not checked it out.

STOP!  You haven’t even read this page, have you?  You didn’t read Jim’s point #7, above, where he explains exactly why he looked into the check.  You also didn’t read my plea, only three posts above yours, for new people signing up because they just read about this somewhere else, to read the information that existed before they came here.  This didn’t begin with your arrival, and it won’t end with your departure.

No free healthcare for you!

Here’s a thought… you could’ve just left it anonymous and not checked it out.

Y’ain’t too bright, is ya, fella? Nobody ever learn ya ta read good?

Now we need one of those MC Esher prints where the lizards are eating the tails of the lizards in front of them, only they loop around into a circle and they’re all actually eating each other.

Uh-huh. Now tell us the one about how there were no planes on 9/11, they were missiles, that one’s always good.

Posted by think888 on 05/20 at 12:08 AM

Well…

Now we need one of those MC Esher prints where the lizards are eating the tails of the lizards in front of them, only they loop around into a circle and they’re all actually eating each other.

Actually, I’m picturing Edvard Munch’s Scream.

We’ve had an extraordinary number of people in the past couple of days who register, poop out one post that they think is original and/or insightful, then don’t come back to address challenges or support their statement.  I think Bleh is the latest.  I have a new category for these kinds of posters:

Onesies.

Uh-huh. Now tell us the one about how there were no planes on 9/11, they were missiles, that one’s always good.

I don’t know about missiles, but I bet there were snakes on those planes…
:bug:

Onesies.

How about “one shit wonders?”

Daniel:

Since when has Jim NOT been straight with people with what happened?  Have you even bothered to read the archives of this website to see how this has all unfolded?  Or are you just going off what you hear from second-hand left wing websites whose only interest in posting this story is to frame it in such a way as to smear Jim and this website?

Then again, I suppose in making your statement, you’ve already displayed evidence that you are too lazy to bother with checking up on the facts to make a decision about Jim in the first place.  Your mind is already closed-off and made up.  How sad.

think888:

I think Jim had every right to go on a tirade.  Being blatantly used by Michael Moore instead of being genuinely helped by him, I would think, would make anyone angry.

Or maybe you’re fine with Michael Moore doing something like this to put in his film.  If so, it speaks volumes as to the nature of your character.

Red_Elephant:

So putting up a website to expose the lies and deceptions of Michael Moore is a bad thing?  So long as the message is good, bullshit everyone all you want?  The end justifies the means?  Maybe that’s why you feel the need to attack Jim personally instead of confronting the issue here on its merits.  For someone who “says” he doesn’t endorse liberals, you sure are doing a good job of doing so.

balloot:

If Jim had the money to give back, he’d pay it back.  He said so himself (you’d know this if you bothered to go back and check previous posts.  But you didn’t bother, did you?  Being informed about anything, after all, is such a tedious task, especially when all it takes is a couple of clicks, you nimrod.) But, unlike Michael Moore, who is filthy, stinking rich, Jim isn’t, and does not have the money at the moment.  When he accepted the money (which was, by the way, a year ago - didn’t bother to check on that either, eh?), he didn’t know who gave it to him, and the anonymous donor (who turned out to be Michael Moore) would not identify himself.  So he accepted it in good faith, and said thank you.  When Moore outed himself (after the whole world outed him and what he’d done), Jim said thank you AGAIN, but wasn’t stupid enough not to have seen the true motives for Moore giving him the cash.  If he had the money, he’d pay it back.

Is that clear then, douchebag?

So you gave the $12K back because you were so disgusted with Michael Moore’s “publicity grab”, right? 

Yeah, that’s what I thought you douchebag.

You know what would happen if he managed to give the money back? This site would get a few dozen trolls making ridiculous statements like “Wow, you’re an asshole, Moore tried to help you but you hate him so much you’d rather let your wife die than accept his help.” And they’d be the same few dozen trolls who are presently demanding to know why he has not returned the money.

but I don’t buy the BS

That’s okay. We’re pretty familiar with Moore’s fans being unable to process reality, at this point. But thank you for making it clear that there’s absolutely nothing to be said or done to please you, that you’re just a troll looking for something to piss on.

Damn ballout, you and every other person who keeps saying he should give the money back just does not seem to be reading JimK’s posts.

IT...WAS...A...GIFT. HE WAS GRATEFUL FOR THE GIFT.

You seem to have NO PROBLEM with Moore using JimK. He sent him an anonomous check all the while Moore planned a gotcha in his movie. If it was TRULEY anonymous, why put it in the MOVIE if Moore truely wanted to stay anonymous? Because Moore had no intention of doing so.

You seem to think that because Moore gave JimK $12000 that it was ok for Moore to try to pull a fast one on JimK.

Again, from reading all the post currently and in the past, I believe JimK did thank Moore for the money, even before he knew it was Moore. JimK was not going to be silenced by Moore, meaning he was still going to critsize Moore if he altered facts or lied in his movies. That is all.

JimK was not going to be silenced by Moore,

Which is what they’re really pissed about. Moore fans have raged about this site’s existence since the very beginning, constantly demanding it be taken down or destroyed. (I kind of doubt that ALL the DDOS attacks and other such were the invention of the former craptastic host.) They absolutely cannot stand the fact that we don’t agree with Moore and don’t like him.

And then they come here and accuse us of crushing dissent and make it personal against Jim and the other site maintainers.

Don’t you love the smell of that hypocrisy? Smells like an uncleaned elephant pen.

(Maybe we should copy the archives onto a HD and put them in a safe house outside the country, to avoid Moore’s attempts to tamper with them.)

Michael Moore did not give him $12,000 with no strings attached.  This whole incident is a testament to that. Is that so hard for you to understand?

baloot wrote:

The route that JimK has chosen is that of throwing a hissy fit that Michael Moore was so devious as to send him money, but then choosing to keep the money anyway.  I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but you’re simply not going to win a lot of support with that way of handling this.

How did JimK throw a hissy fit here? Moore, at the time, sent him an anonymous gift. Let me repeat that...ANONYMOUS.

When I get an anonymous gift, from anyone, I see it as a generous gift and that the person who sent the gift did it out of kindness. YOU NEVER ACTUALLY KNOW WHO SENT THE GIFT...you just know that someone was helping someone else out.

MOORE NEVER INTENDED THIS TO BE A GENEROUS, ANONYMOUS GIFT. Moore knew all along that he was going to expose himself as the doner in his movie. If someone wanted to stay TRUELY ANONYMOUS, they would not say a thing about it. The doner would go on with there life and not mention a thing. MOORE DID NOT DO THAT.

JimK got wind that this was going to happen, so he made a post that he was not going to be used by Moore. JIMK WAS ALWAYS GRATEFUL FOR THE GIFT. As I stated before, JimK was making it clear he was not going be silenced.

Again, JimK was grateful and is still grateful. The point being made is just because Moore sent him the money that he was not going to all of a sudden forget all the lies and misrepresenation of facts in Moores movies. JimK was not going to all of a sudden shut down MooreWatch. JimK made clear that he was still going to critisize Moore’s work, if it warrented it.

You, balloot, seem to want JimK to keep silent because he accepted the money THAT HE DID NOT KNOW CAME FROM MOORE UNTIL A FEW DAYS AGO.

Moore used JimK. If Moore would have just kept silent and stayed anonymous, we would not even be discussing this. The fact that it was leaked and now that the event is in the movie, Moore never had any intention of being anonymous. He was looking to make JimK look like a fool...except JimK beat him to the punch.

PTCruiser:

Your brand of sarcasm is tired at best, and uninformed at worst.  Do yourself a favor and read up on the whole issue.  Maybe you’ll be able to pull your head out of your ass long enough to see that Mikey’s pulled the wool over your eyes on this one, not to mention so many other things.

Blah blah blah i have never seen any of michael moore’s movie, i am a liberal, i don’t really care about how you hate him and how he is destroying america.

It seems to me that Michael moore’s whole purpose of this is to show that America’s healthcare system isn’t exactly.. good, to put it lightly. Your wife was/is sick. You pay exorbitant amounts of money to keep her in good health. Insurance companies are putting a price on human life. I don’t know if it’s liberal and pinko and commie to think that all citizens of a state, regardless of their financial status, should be able to have access to healthcare, but that’s how i feel. Insurance should NOT break the bank, it should NOT force you to sell off all your worldly goods so that you can increase the profit margin of some corporation. Life, and the preservation of it should be the first and foremost cause of health care providers. This is: hospitals, insurers, doctors, etcetera. Unfortunately in the American culture, the bottom line (Profit, for entities that exist soley on paper) at the expense of real, human lives, and our good health.

Michael moore did a good thing by donating that money to you. He, however, is an asshole for putting in his movie, EVEN THOUGH, there is a purpose. He should have just given you the money, no bullshit, and simply told you what he planned on doing.

So essentially, a) it shouldn’t cost an arm and a leg for health insurance, b) Michael Moore is a jackass who did a nice thing for you, and c) you really have no obligation to kiss his ass for the rest of your life.

This is america, after all. Freedom of speech and thought are the foundation that this country is built on.

Question for all the people that need corrective eyewear:
How much did it cost, eye exam, lenses and frames included, for you to get prescription glasses?

In South Korea it cost me less than $60, all exams included, for designer frames.

PTCruiser:

Your brand of sarcasm is tired at best, and uninformed at worst.  Do yourself a favor and read up on the whole issue.  Maybe you’ll be able to pull your head out of your ass long enough to see that Mikey’s pulled the wool over your eyes on this one, not to mention so many other things.

Of course the assumption that firebrand makes here is that written words actually form meanings that can be interpreted by small minds like PT Cruiser.

alex.k . . . it costs me around $180 bucks.  My health plan doesn’t cover glasses and I chose a plan with a $10,000 yearly deductable anyway.

Hey, just thought I’d drop in for a onesie.  I’ve never read this blog before and linked to it from the Salon article this morning.  Let me first say that I am a big Michael Moore fan.  And let me secondly say that I like your blog!  It’s witty and well-written and full of....  dissent!  Just the kind of thing that most of us MM fans love him for.  Dissent really is essential and articulate, humorous dissent is the best kind.  Maybe Mike realizes that and supports your right to disagree with him.  Who doesn’t love healthy debate?  Keeps us all honest. 
Yeah, you’re right that the donation must have been a stunt for the sake of the movie.  Mike’s a showman.  He loves a good gotcha and goes to elaborate efforts to make his statements.  But, heck, it all turned out okay, right?  You got your much-needed insurance assistance for which you are obviously grateful.  Mike got some good publicity for the film.  And maybe he wishes that he WOULD do something like that if there was no movie.  Maybe he even believes he would.  Maybe that will spur him to do things like that more often in the future!  Hey!  Maybe you made him a better man! That’d be cool.  And he IS the kind of guy that doesn’t mind growing from things like that… The smartest people know that you can always learn something from a worthy opponent.
I’m very happy to read that your wife is recovering.  You thanked MM graciously without stepping down from your position of dissent and you did it artfully.  You neither looked like an ass nor gave up your stance. You just accepted the help of a colleague.  Both you and Mike are looking for the truth and doing it in the public eye - and for that I thank you.

Since I just mostly read comments last night, I thought I might post a few observations regarding yesterday’s events.

Perhaps the most bewildering aspect of this drama is the number of people who willingly come to this sight to put ignorance in writing for the world to see.  What’s wrong with these people?  Have they some overwhelming urge to make complete fools of themselves?  I’ve never had that need, so I don’t understand it.  Whatever their reasoning is—if you want to call it reasoning—one thing is certain:  If anyone doubts the competence of Moore-ons, this sight contains documented proof that basic skills like reading comprehension and simple logic are virtually non-existent in most of them.  Others simply leap to conclusions having little or no knowledge of the situation.  In either case, truth is an alien concept to them.  Yet character flaws seem to be their focus . . . go figure.

The other observation relates to a discussion I recently had here at MooreWatch regarding the subject of journalism where I pointed out that one should never trust a journalist to get it right.  Experience is a great teacher.  And so it goes that over time some of us come to understand how misleading the printed word can be.  JimK opens this thread with this observation:

In every single news article, blog post and Digg/Fark/Reddit (and others) thread about this, people are telling lies, misunderstanding events and generally getting everything as wrong as possible.

Often people read what they want to read (selective comprehension), or they hear what they want to hear (selective hearing).  We all tend to have these faults—I know I fight it all the time—but somehow Moore fans have evolved with little sense of fairness and zero skepticism when it comes to reading press articles.  Combine these traits with journalistic incompetence and what you’ve seen lately here at MooreWatch is what you get . . . ignorance engaged in a parade.

Yet these same people seem to think they have cornered the market on ethical and moral behavior.  Somehow, they just don’t get the following:

1) Criticizing Michael Moore, then accepting money from him to pay medical expenses are ethically and morally unrelated.

The logical fallacy here is this: if I accept money from Moore I can’t criticize him, or if I criticize Moore I can’t accept money from him.  There exists no ethical code making these two actions morally exclusive.

In fact, it would be unethical of JimK to accept money from Moore, then quit criticizing him unless his position on political matters had changed.

2) Whether JimK knew Moore was his angel or not is irrelevant.  That he did not know is fact.  Moore proved that with the phone call.  But even if he had, that has nothing to do with ethics.  See number 1 above.

In case some of you Moore fans disagree, I should point out that with universal healthcare as much as half the money that will fund your medical expenses will come from Republicans.  It doesn’t matter what organization dispenses those funds.  Some of those funds will originate with Republicans.  So, I suggest you either rethink your definition of hypocrite or give up you natural right of free speech.

And Joni, I appreciate your commments, and I’m sure others on MooreWatch will feel the same.

I like Moore fans like Joni. If they were all like that, debate and discussion would be so much nicer. This site draws so much hate from those Moore fans who prefer to rant than talk that I think when a rational fan comes along they should be applauded for it! :)

Hey, just thought I’d drop in for a onesie.

Maybe you should consider dropping in again, Joni.

Posted by Daniel on 05/20 at 02:41 AM (Link to this comment)
The problem is that you keep altering the story. No one knows what to believe anymore. Stick to the truth and we won’t have any problems.

How about you tell us how he as altered his story daniel?  Since you obviously believe he has, you should be able to show where it has been

How about you tell us how he as altered his story daniel?  Since you obviously believe he has, you should be able to show where it has been

:) daniel’s area of expertise is in misinterpretation, so I’m sure details will follow.

Posted by Buzz on 05/20 at 07:05 AM

Hey, just thought I’d drop in for a onesie.

Maybe you should consider dropping in again, Joni.

Indeed.  I’d argue her post wasn’t a onesie (and I defined “onesie") because it was actually original and insightful.  And she clearly spent at least some time reading previous posts.  Joni is one who I hope stays around.

Score update:

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Michael Moore: 1
JimK and MooreWatch: 0

JimK...After the movie opens widely, you should have no problem scoring a few talk show appearances. They’ll pay a couple grand each for a pseudo-celebrity like you. If you play your cards right, you can pay Moore back his money, and have some left over for beer and hookers…

Manage your 15 minutes of fame wisely my friend, and don’t forget to thank Michael Moore again for giving you those 15 minutes…

What I love about this is that you think you are so witty and irritating to the situation. It’s great.

From another perspective, this website will now be getting a lot more hits. So more people will be exposed to the info here. Also, people will come here and see what really happened in the situation if they bother to read. In a way this is a good thing because people will see Jim at the end of SICKO and realize that he was used instead of actually given charity. It will bite Moore in the ass on the turnaround.

But keep up your score board. It amuses me.

It will bite Moore in the ass on the turnaround.

Moore got bit on the ass yesterday, too:

Moore’s Ass Bit by Canadians

To all the Liberals out there, If Jim did give the money back do to him feeling used, do you think Moore would then cut the footage of Jim and this incident from his film? 

Really think about this.  If all Moore wanted was to help someone, why put this in his film?  All he is doing is trying to humiliate a specific person.  A working person, the kind of person Moore pretends to want to help. 

I for one, not for one second, believe Moore for a second.

Posted by balloot on 05/19 at 11:58 PM (Link to this comment)

“You know, stuff that he didn’t have to sell before because Michael Moore gave him $12,000 with no strings attached. So if he wants to be rid of his “horrible” dilemma, he can just sell some stuff, put himself in the crappy financial situation he would be in without Mr. Moore’s help, and be done with it.  It’s that simple!”

Hmmm, a couple funny things here.
1) why can’t the moore fans apply this logic to people on government assistance?
2) So, when a upper class person gives you a few grand he owns you? Nice…

PTCruiser:

What does being a “patriot” or leaving America if I don’t love it or any nonsensical bullshit like that have to do with you being a complete fucking idiot?  Maybe you’re still having trouble trying to put together a decent comeback because you’re still trying to type with your head up Mikey’s ass.

Cmon. If, say, the Champion of Proles Hugo Chavez can take them evil petrodollars to provide his Working Nobles free health care while the oil he sells destroys the ozone and causes birth defects in Third World orphans via US autos, then surely Jim can imitate this kind of humanitarian art, if on a much smaller albeit more selfish scale?

Hi Jim,

I think when you wonder about Moore’s altruism, you’re missing a point. In a movie about the health care industry, Moore could have easily included an anecdote about the irony in you having financial difficulties over health care, perhaps even to the point of it affecting your site.  And he could have just as easily done this with or without giving you a gift. A lot of people would have done that.

The fact is, he had no obligation to give you money, and sure, it isn’t too much of a difficulty for him, but for you it makes a difference in your quality of life during a financially rocky time.  So? It pretty much means that he doesn’t need anything back from you and I’m sure he’s also savvy enough to know that he can’t “buy you out” in any way, shape or form.  Therefore, he also knows you’re not going to be beholden to him.  Thus, it follows that it is a simple no-strings-attached altruistic act on Moore’s part.

In my opinion, one of the problems facing the U.S. is how partisan we’ve become. It would behoove us to notice each other’s humanity from time to time, even on opposite sides of the political spectrum.

So? It pretty much means that he doesn’t need anything back from you and I’m sure he’s also savvy enough to know that he can’t “buy you out” in any way, shape or form.  Therefore, he also knows you’re not going to be beholden to him.  Thus, it follows that it is a simple no-strings-attached altruistic act on Moore’s part.

elissaF,

While you point of view is understandable, playing a game of political gotcha like Moore did is hardly ethical.  Keep in mind that Moore’s intent all along was to use this in his film, so your premise that this was a “no-strings-attached altruistic act” becomes a fallacy.

Ask yourself what would Moore had done if Jim had donated the check to charity without revealing his deed to the public or to Moore.

Better yet, ask yourself what Moore would have done had Jim simply torn up the check.  He would have been left with simply saying, I know a blogger who runs an anit-Moore site that had financial difficulties because of medical reasons.” That’s hardly worth putting in Sicko, is it?

Better yet, ask yourself what Moore would have done had Jim simply torn up the check.  He would have been left with simply saying, I know a blogger who runs an anit-Moore site that had financial difficulties because of medical reasons.” That’s hardly worth putting in Sicko, is it?

Let me rephrase this poorly worded comment.

What would Moore have done had Jim torn up the check.  Simply knowing of a blogger who runs an anti-Moore website who had financial difficulties because of medical expenses isn’t the kind of stuff that captures much attention.  But knowing that same blogger tore up his check would be something Moore wouldn’t disclose because it would support an opposing view.  His intent seems obvious.

Just as JimK might have done if the situation were reversed, and he had the power and money to do so

Can you prove this true majority?  Jimk sets out to prove that the claims that moore makes are false, misleading and deceptive by using the actual facts available.  Moore is known to exploit and has done so in this case.  Buzz’s assertion that moore planned to to this from the start has a lot more validity than your claim that jimk would exploit moore just as moore did to him.

If you know anything about film making, you know that practically nothing is guaranteed to be in a film until the final editing process begins…

But you don’t film something that you have no intention of putting into the film.  That’s a waste of time and money.

The more I “watch” Moore, the more I think it’s impossible to know what his intentions are.  I am really disappointed with this stunt, as it feels like hitting below the belt to me.  Maybe I am naive, but I still want to believe that he saw the news that JimK had health-related financial problems and he got a good impulse--"hey, I’ve got lots of dough, why don’t I be a good samaritan and help out my enemy.” That’s a good intention.  I have relatives working in the environmental protection industry and they tell me quite regularly they get checks from Moore with the simple stipulation that they are not supposed to publicize it.  Moore likes to do good things. But at what point did the devil jump on his shoulder and say, “Hey this would make a great ending for your latest film.” At that point it’s no longer an act of charity, it becomes an exploitative business move--man, look at the publicity this has generated.  $12,000 at a top PR firm would never get this much ink.  Moore’s got a problem, I think.  He wants to do good things, but he ends up needing to announce them to the world, which totally perverts the original intention.  Either that, or he cold-bloodedly thought “JimK is down, now’s my chance, let’s kick him in the groin.” God, I hope that’s not the case.

Majority Speaker, if you know anything about current documentary (and I use that term advisedly) filmmaking, you know that sometimes you have to stage events that you want in your film.  Especially if you engage in “gotcha” filmmaking.

I have relatives working in the environmental protection industry and they tell me quite regularly they get checks from Moore with the simple stipulation that they are not supposed to publicize it.  Moore likes to do good things.

Of course that was not what was done in this case.

And Majority, considering there isn’t a single post you have made here with anything resembling honesty, you’ll excuse if I don’t take the time to retract my statement that what Buzz has said is more true than what even your speculation offers.

One might say the same of Moore.