that letter was totally devoid of 1 original thought......and they wonder why they lose elections

I caught 24 talking point, 31 mis-statements, and 167 idiotics comments :). 

I wonder if people like this would take the time to read a dissenting opinion to their own (one that actually contains facts).  Im also curious how embarassing it must be to actually back someone like Moore, who is known for is deciet.  ah well… its provides comic relief, and just in time for the holidays.

After I read what this asshat typed, I had to print it out, because my dog just shit on floor and I needed something to clean it up with. :)

Ok, that made my brain hurt.  I guess it works with a strong willing suspension of disbelief.

Beautiful. You gotta love it when the opposition makes your points for you by simply opening their mouths.

That was transcript of a parrot on crystal meth. If you enjoyed that, please stay tuned, as we pump a cloud of PCP laced marijuana smoke into the parrot’s little padded room, and find out just what kind of gibberish will spill out of his mouth.

Nothing says, “I’m a wingnut who suffers from Histrionic Personality Disorder,” like the phrase, “wake up, America!”

He better keep it down about the immigration thing at the protests lest he be denounced as a racist crypto republican capitalist roader.

If you are interested in the truth about Michael Moore, I would recommend “Do As I Say (Not As I Do) : Profiles in Liberal Hypocrisy” by Peter Schweizer.  It shows what a huge boob Michael Moore is.  Anything that comes out of his mouth is laughable.

Nothing says, “I’m a wingnut who suffers from Histrionic Personality Disorder,” like the phrase, “wake up, America!”

It always reminds me of Daniel Carver, former Klansman who was a favorite guest of Springer and Howard Stern.  he used to have this answering machine you could call to get the white power message of the day, and he always started and ended the messaged with, in the thickest georgian drawl you can imagine, “WAKE UP, WHITE PEOPLE...”

Hilarious.  I still say that to this day, and it’s been 12, 13 years since I’ve heard a Daniel Carver message.

Jim, I too thought of that Stern regular. But I also caught the Team America like statement:

Osama times a million!

And for that matter has anbyone ever noticed that you are only partaking in “partisan poltics” when you disagree with them or feel strongly about a point that is counter to theirs?

Tboy
But i thought the shit was allready on the page you printed!
Or were you going to rub the dogs nose on the page to punish it!

You know, I have read his letter six times now and it still doesn’t make any sense.  My head hurts.  Maybe its because I am so tired, being at the tail end of my 12 hour shift.

It was a lie, it still is a lie, and to waste your time trying to make a liar out of Mike Moore i! s exactly what this spin doctor administration wants you to do.

This “spinDoctor” administration doesn’t have to do a thing to make Mr. Moore a liar.  All Mr. Moore needs to do is open his fat mouth and he does it for the Bush administration.

Support our troops, they should be home securing our swiss cheese borders.  While we are invading Iraq, our country is being invaded everyday, by illegals(not immigrants) just illegals.

We don’t need to bring any troops home to secure our “swiss cheese” Borders.  We have plenty of troops to do that now.  I do agree with you that we need to mobilize our National Guard to secure the borders especially the Southern one.  I do believe that is being done already, though.  I can’t quote it, but the Denver Post (I think) had an article about the Army training on the border for some time, and rounding up Illegals. 

We had a 1 week warning about Hurricane Katrina and couldn’t handle that,

The President declared a disaster area two days before the Hurricane hit.  That gave the govenor the option to mobilize the National Guard to get preparations underway, she failed to do that.  They could have had refugee camps set up, food, fuel and other supplies ready to go had she done so.  The Mayor of NO is just as guilty.  The emergency plans were never activated before the storm hit, and when they were, they were found to be completely inadequate.  It is not the Federal Goverments responsibility to have emergency plans in place for the states.  Thats is the Govenors, and Mayors responsibility.  So don’t lay the blame at the Presidents feet!  Granted his choice for the director of FEMA was ludicrous, but he had absolutely nothing to do with the preparations that the Govenor and the Mayor should have been doing prior to the storm.

Your statements are completly unsupported by facts.  If you have the facts that suport your babbling, then post them.  Otherwise, go crawl back into that shit pile with the rest of your leftist liberal butt buddies!

I lost it after “Michael Moore is a true patriot...”

Paragraph breaks are your friend.

... and oh yeah, Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia. Eurasia has always been our ally.  Bush told me so.

/sarcasm

Tboy
But i thought the shit was allready on the page you printed!
Or were you going to rub the dogs nose on the page to punish it!

LOL

Well I just figured it would be better to use than a brand new paper towel.

I guess we’ll call it recycling.:)

Let me ask you, when did it become our policy to invade another country based on the premise that they “MIGHT” cause harm to our country.  For hundreds of years our country was based on defending itself, not provoking wars.

Germany, WWII comes to mind.  Yes, we were attacked by the Japanese, but upon our entry into the European side of the war, Germany hadn’t attacked us.

Korea never attacked us.

North Vietnam never attacked us.

Somalia never attacked us.

Grenada never attacked us.

Iraq?  Violator of many U.N. Resolutions - regularly fired upon U.S. troops in the ‘No-Fly’ zone ( but I guess that doesn’t count ), and did have a history of aiding and abetting terrorists who did attack / kill U.S. citizens, including Abu Nidal, Ansar al-Islam, Hamas, Kurdistan Workers Party, Mujahedin-e-Khalq & the Palestine Liberation Front.

JRLin you are bringing up facts again liberals hate those

Quantity has a quality all its own…

invade a country who h ad never even killed a US citizen

If you’re going to parrot Michael Moore’s lies, at least get them right.

MM said that Saddam never murdered a US citizen
i.e. that Saddam Hussein was never formally, in open court, convicted of the crime of Murder.

That’s a slight difference, and laughable argument that MM puts forward to prove/support his claim on the peace loving Hussein

But I guess no one counts the, albeit very few, casualties suffered during Operation Desert Storm to be part of the list of US/UK/Coalition citizens that Saddam and the former IRAQ regime murdered.

From: Stewart Hart

To: [email protected]

Subject: “Your Email”, or, “There’s Zero Chance of Educating you but After all the crap I’ve been Through lately I NEED to Intellectually Flex my Mind.”

Before I start, I think Moore’s role here is clear. By spewing his lies wrapped in spin, he’s fed the need for Liberals to avoid reality by giving them the candy-coated shell they need to swallow their contradictory beliefs. In that sense, [email protected] is just a symptom of the bugger problem.

I apologize for this running so long, Lee, but I can’t let this much crap slide by--if for no other reason, to keep some Liberal blog from criticizing Moorewatch about not engaging this based on “the issues”.

Point 1: Bush Corruption(?):

I reject this premise, as investigation after investigation has exonerated this administration of any wrongdoing.

Point 2: U.S: War-like Nature(?):

a)

Let me ask you, when did it become our policy to invade another country based on the premise that they “MIGHT” cause harm to our country.

ANSWER: DAY ONE! That’s one of the reasons we (unsuccessfully) attempted to invade Canada after our revolution. [The goal was to “liberate” Canada from British rule so that they’d become a democracy, like us, instead of a puppet state.]

b) As for the whole ‘only under Bush does the world hate us’ crap, this is a complete Liberal 180! First, Liberals said we are hated for being Capitalist Warmongers going after the innocent U.S.S.R. NOW, over 50 years of criticism is immediately forgotten and this is suddenly ALL BUSH’S FAULT??? [Or is 50 years too far back for Liberalism as an ideology to recall?]

The reality is, people hate us because of who and what we are. We’re a Republic, we’re a superpower, we’re a free, and the Islamo-Fascists hate us for it.

c)Pre-planned war:  AGAIN, Liberal 180. When Bush came in, it was: “Bush is planning to have a war with China! It’s a Holy CrusadeTM for him!” Same template, but Iraq… Gah, if you’re going to lie to us, PLEASE GET SOME NEW MATERIAL! As for planning, HELL YEAH you have a plan before you go in anywhere. Gah, Liberalism is attacking Bush coming and going: “You didn’t adequately plan/you pre-planned this whole thing! You didn’t seriously want to go through the U.N. from the start/your plan for getting out is incomplete because the U.N. support you counted on never came. You excluded our allies/our allies are incompetent and we need to do operations ourselves.” WHEN YOU SIT DOWN AND DECIDE ON WHAT YOUR CRITICISM IS, COME BACK AND SEE US.

Point 3: World “support”:

a)

After 9/11 the world was on our side, we had support in this “war on terror”.

The support only went so far as we didn’t cut into Oil profits. Once we threatened France and Germany’s Oil profits [You know, Blood-For-Oil] in the corruption-ridden Oil-for-Food Program [the biggest corruption case in human history] that support evaporated. Support like that is no support at all. Allies that stab you in the back as they did, then come after the fact demanding to be given contracts for rebuilding Iraq are, I would say, no allies at all.

b) But then, as for the nations that DID come and help us, Liberalism IGNORES them. For Liberals, these nations don’t count as part of “the world.”

c) The Islamo-Fascists we’re fighting NEVER supported us. Ever. Attacking Iraq didn’t make them hate us—9/11 happened BEFORE Iraq, incase anyone forgot.

Point 4: Illegitimacy And Torture: It’s All About the Constitution:

a)

“before Bush was “given” the presidency by the supreme court”

1) The Hypocrisy is staggering. All I can say on that point is that the Liberals are still obviously mad that the Florida State Supreme Court’s attempt to violate the U.S. Constitution and steal the 2000 election for Gore failed.

2) Hello? ‘Constitution’? In Bush v. Gore, the Majority opinion said it all: Equal Protection (EP). You can’t violate someone’s voting rights the way Florida Democrats tried to by using arbitrary vote-counting methods [I STILL remember seeing it on t.v.: one guy counted a vote one way, another lady another, and then there was one guy asleep] and disnfranchising soldiers. Further, the Florida Supreme Court lacked the Constitutional power to adjudicate over the Florida legislature on the issue.

b) We are torturing innocent (among the guilty) prisoners

1) Is there even torture going on?: I dispute the premise any torture is going on without some sort of evidence. Torture is a term of art—one of those things that has an express legal meaning but that’s different from its popular meaning [which changes with the seasons]. This is why the legal definition never seems to meet the Liberal one.

With the Holiday coming up, I don’t quite have the brain-power to outline, statute by statute, the deal with torture, but long story short it’s application is determined by 4 things: Standards of Cruel and Unusual Punishment under the Constitution of the United States, Congressional Statute, who is “tortured”, and where any alleged “torture” occurs. Admittedly, that’s just the American definition. However, those disagreeing with the U.S. definition need to realize that treaty protections and definitions tend to be a lower standard.

Even at that, I reject the premise people are getting tortured, notably due to the lack of proof plus evidence to the contrary. While Limbaugh may be taking absurdity to a new level with <a href=”http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/eibessential/illustrating_absurdity/clubgitmo.guest.html”>Club Gitmo</a>, he makes a damned good point: Special dietary balanced meals for those held [better than American school lunches, at least as Liberals tell us those lunches are], 5 times a day to pray + a prayer mat [but no prayer in American schools, even by oneself at lunch time], better (not perfect) heating and cooling than the average American school… I mean, f***… We’re treating these guys better than our own children!

2) What about this “we may need to torture people” stuff?: In the news, the Bush administration has taken flak over not wanting to limit torture despite stating that no torture is going on. What’s the deal?

Well, who and where “torture” occurs is determinative as to what definition holds. Constitutional protections, the Supreme Court has held [oddly with Scalia flipping sides] in different cases that the level of process and protection due to an individual varies. As such, enemy combatants not covered by a treaty [Geneva Convention, etc.] have almost no protection save statutory.

The reason for leaving the loophole in the statute is obvious, however: Some whackjob may eventually get a nuke and plant it—and the only way we can save, say, California from a nuke may be to torture someone until he talks. Pretty? No. But who’s more deserving of pain getting inflicted? Conservative say the terrorist. Liberals say he should be left alone—tacitly allowing hundreds of thousands of Eichmans (or as Conservatives call them, innocents) to die.

[End of Part One]

[part 2]
Point 5: “Anti-Semitic Give-and-Take”, or “Screw You and Your Religion too!”:

OK, I’m probably biased in regards to Jews and Judaism, but I’m going to be intellectually honest here and put you all on notice before I start.

Collage Quote [for those who would accuse me of dicing the quote up, a Collage Quote is just that—a collage of statements. Usually, as it is here, it is being used to clean up an obviously disjointed argument]:

Our President makes “faith based decisions” The last person to speak the way Bush does was Hitler… The administration has divided our country on purpose.  They have allowed religion into our government… Our country is lost.

The hate… the unbridled hatred present in a statement like this… it sickens my soul there’s so much hate.

Maybe [email protected] is the one with the hatred, or maybe is serving as an ignorant channel for that hate, but that hatred is there for all to see. It sickens me, fills me with fear and dread for my freedoms, if not my life, and makes me apprehensive as to where the country was headed—truly headed by the Liberals behind closed doors—before Republicans came to power and put this kind of hate on the back burner.

Or maybe because of my situation I’m sensitive since this hate is directed at me—As Howard Dean said, “[he] hates [me] and everything [I] stand for.” But this is the latent hate that has people wondering why someone would get so upset about using the k-word or n-word. This is the hate that has Liberals, in public, call me an Anti-Semite but amongst themselves, as Cindy Sheehan has, call me a shill for the Jews that started the Iraq war.

I’m going to give [email protected] what the Talmudic sages coined the “benefit of the doubt” and guess, since this is all just regurgitated pap, that [email protected] doesn’t understand the hatred permeating Moore and his bunch.

TRUE DIVERSITY, does not exclude a people from any area of life, ESPECIALLY SELF-GOVERNMENT. This is the secret behind the establishment clause of the 1st Amendment: No one religion is allowed to rule so that ALL may have a place in society. To pick and choose what faiths are allowed on the basis of who they are is bigotry.

And please, before anyone tries the “secularist” propaganda on me, Liberalism has zero problem forcing school children to pray to Allah in the name of “cultural understanding”, so that “we don’t want ANY religion” line isn’t going to work here or anywhere else.

Yes, fine, there’s blood on the hands of Judaism and Judeo-Christianity. I’m not going to pretend that things like the Spanish Inquisition (arguably the result of the Moor culture, but I won’t being hypocritical and give them that Liberal pass) were ok or didn’t happen.

But NO RELIGION OR PHILOSOPHY IS FREE OF BLOOD. Even secularism (which I argue is a religion) has blood on its hands--and its sects are the most bloodthirsty in all human history, having the highest death toll (and climbing).

Everyone having bloody hands doesn’t make it OK, but to target one group and point out their faults and use them as a scapegoat this way is WRONG.

Point 6: “Free Speech and Dissent”, or, “If it looks like a duck…”:

So if you think what we are doing is wrong you are labeled a liberal, a tree hugger blah blah blah.

If you take Liberal positions, use Liberal talking points, support Liberal causes, advance a Liberal agenda, and push for Liberalism’s advancement…

Not saying it was expressly said here, but WHY THE HELL do Liberals get to go on tirades about everything but anyone else who tries to speak can’t because they’re “denying Liberal’s their free speech?” If Liberals talk, they should know that in the Jeffersonian Marketplace of ideas, that someone is going to comment on them. If I identify a Liberal idea as Liberal, it’s seen as an insult or something. However, *sarcasm light is now on* it’s MORE THAN OK for my Hebrew self to be called a Nazi and that in NO WAY is meant to intimidate me such that I will feel myself unable to engage in my free-speech rights[2].

Point 7: “Oil!”, or, “Since Bush Tried, Less People Died.”

a)

Why not just admit that the oil is not flowing the way our Texas Tea-Black… What no one wants to admit is we invaded Iraq for the sole purpose of controlling the oil fields.

RESPONSE:

OK, lemme say this again here in this post: WE HAVE THE OIL! THE LIBERALS DON’T WANT US TO DRILL FOR IT! If this was about oil, where is it? Seriously, the old—“If we have more oil, Bush was after oil, if we don’t, Bush was after the oil but was stupid” shtick is getting older the longer that no evidence for this assertion is produced. Finally, why not just admit that the entire war opposition is based on trying to cover up and downplay the U.N.’s complicity in trading blood for Oil in the Oil-For-Food program--the biggest scandal in human history?

b)

...Gold President thought it would and the Muslim world is now our enemy for life… For every one terror plot 5 yrs ago, there are now a thousand… Now Americans are a target all over the world, and if you think this foreign policy of ours has done anything to make us safer, you are lying to yourself.

We’ve ALWAYS been the targets of foreign terrorism. And as for us not being safer, we’re down to one successful terror attack against us (dealing with the intelligence apparatus left to us by Clinton) as opposed to the 3 under Clinton. We’re taking the terrorists out abroad rather than dealing with them blowing up civilians in the U.S.

c)

Let’s not forget that we helped Saddam fight Iran, and provided him with chemical weapons, which he turned and used on his own people.

AHA! YOU ADMIT IT! YOU ADMIT SADDAM HAD THE WMDS! FINALLY! We got THAT at least. As for “when [Moore] showed Rumsfeld meeting with Saddam in 1980 to make that deal that was a lie[, and] I also suppose that when we gave weapons to… Osama and other(s)… that was a lie as well,” no one said it was 100% brilliant to give people like Saddam or Bin Laden the tools they needed to fight the Soviets. We were locked in a fight to the death and we didn’t see anything other than our survival. Fine. BUT, if the hatred they have against us is all Bush’s fault, why was giving these folks weapons TWO DECADES before he took office a problem?

d)

The only problem was the idea that we would be welcomed with roses and parades was horse shit.  Even though Saddam was a tyrant, he was their tyrant.

Saddam was a tyrant but he was “their tyrant”? We have 2 elections, going on a third on 12/15 proving this assertion in and of itself to be “horse shit.”

e)

This war has nothing to do with 9/11 and when Bush was making a case for it he compared the two.  It was a lie, it still is a lie, and to waste your time trying to make a liar out of Mike Moore i! s exactly what this spin doctor administration wants you to do.

What kind of a free society is it then when Liberals get to say whatever they want and no one can respond? And Bush NEVER, EVER said Iraq orchestrated 9/11. He said that Iraq was harboring TERRORISTS, AND IT WAS. First was Al-Quieda, with the Base at Salmon Pak North of Baghdad (complete with airliner planes to practice highjackings), as well as the continued coordination and communication (marred only with the alleged “rebuff”). Saddam was also exporting HIS OWN terrorists.

Point 8: Stupid People Divided the Country:
a)
Another Collage Quote:

Our undereducated citizens who look to their elected leaders have been missled… Believe me, I want nothing more than to live in a safe peaceful world, and I know we have to kick some ass sometimes! to do it, but to provoke a war and invade a country who [had] never even killed a US citizen is wrong. … Stop wasting your time arguing with each other over partisan politics and start finding the leaders who will get us out of this mess…

I’ve refrained from engaging you directly, but I have to ask you 2 questions [email protected]:

1) WHY? Why are you engaging in politics and blaming EVERYONE but the terrorists? You’ve made excuses for the terrorists You’ve blamed Bush. You’ve blamed America. You’ve blamed us Moorewatchers for being stuck in this mess as we’re “arguing with each other over partisan politics” instead of voting Liberal Democrat. You’ve insulted millions of Americans [“undereducated citizens”] as if they couldn’t see that 9/11 happened BEFORE Iraq. It’s our fault because “[w]e don’t understand Islam, we don’t care to understand Islam”. You even insult Islam by suggesting that Islamo-Fascism represents it—Al-Queida is nothing but a bunch of extremists.

2) What is the plan then for the country then? What is this great and mystical fix that’s going to make Al-Quieda give up its plans for world domination [it’s stated goal]? Sure, “Support our troops, they should be home securing our swiss cheese borders,” but that’s a given. But as much as I’d like to erect a fence and disengage, this isn’t a situation like in Israel. We have a world-wide network after us.

Sure, “We had a 1 week warning about Hurricane Katrina and couldn’t handle that…” Great job the Liberal governor of Louisiana did there. Liberal leadership didn’t send New Orleans relief because the Liberal governor didn’t want the people to stay at the superdome. “Wake UP AMERICA!!!!!” indeed. Liberalism doesn’t work, because it spends more time justifying our adversity than working to fix it.

I wish there was a way on this site that we can switch from referring to Michael Moore as “MM”. My initials are MM and everytime I see that phrase, it feels like someone scratching their nails agains the chalkboard. I know we use it for convenience sake, but it is bad enough I have to read garbage like the e-mail from prock59 above without having my my initials associated with the biggest horse’s ass to exist in this century!

MostlyRepubMan:

I wish there was a way on this site that we can switch from referring to Michael Moore as “MM”. My initials are MM and everytime I see that phrase, it feels like someone scratching their nails agains the chalkboard. I know we use it for convenience sake, but it is bad enough I have to read garbage like the e-mail from prock59 above without having my my initials associated with the biggest horse’s ass to exist in this century!

*consoles* Yeah, that *IS* a pickle bro.

Hey Everyone! We could always call Moore JFM [jolly fat man] or MiMo for short. =]

I wish there was a way on this site that we can switch from referring to Michael Moore as “MM”.

At the risk of sounding crass, how about “FF” (Fat Fuck)?

Have to admit, Stewart, if you’re willing to take up the discussion with [email protected] mean prock59, you are a very patient man.

I wonder if prick59...I mean prock59 proofreads his own writing before he makes the giant leap from having incoherent thoughts to exposing to the world how incoherent his thinking actually is.

Whoa Bundy:  Oh come on now, you wanted to sound crass, there was no risk involved!

B-)

I think he sums it up best in his first sentence:

I just wanted to say what a waste of time your website is.

This explains why he wrote the world’s longest paragraph about it.

Let me ask you, when did it become our policy to invade another country based on the premise that they “MIGHT” cause harm to our country.

Shortly after 9/11.  This was the strategy which has since become known as the Bush Doctrine. 

Let me ask you this, a situation which is totally hypothetical, but is being done to illustrate a point.  If we had intelligence in 1999 which showed that Al Qaeda terrorists were going to attack us on 9/11/2001, and that an invasion of Afghanistan would prevent that attack, would you support it?  I’m guessing so.  Only the most rabidly left moonbat would say otherwise.  Now, given that in the intelligence field nothing is ever, ever 100% certain, what kind of reliability would it take for you to support military action to prevent 9/11?

Now, put yourself in modern days.  9/11 has happened, and you are the president.  You’re being presented with all sorts of intelligence about all kinds of groups in every country in the world.  Given that your primary job is to protect the homeland, would you be willing to sit by with your thumb up your ass while the Islamist menace was allowed to grow unchecked?

If Bush had not invaded Iraq, during the recent presidential campaign Kerry would have said something to the effect of, “The president claims that he has taken decisive action against Middle Eastern terror.  But one inescapable fact remains, Saddam Hussein is still in power.  He’s still a threat.  We know that he has stockpiles of WMD, I see the very same intelligence reports the president does.  We know that he has sought to acquire nuclear material from Africa, and has exchanged missile technology with North Korea.  What if Saddam Hussein were to deliver a suitcase bomb to al Qaeda?  Can there be any doubt that they would use it?  By doing nothing against Saddam the president has endangered us all.  As president I will do whatever is necessary to rid the world of this evil menace.”

And all of you Bush-haters damn well know this is exactly what they would have been saying.

wow....can we say....duche...followed by..bag

I found this website today as a link from http://www.conservativepunk.com and have to say… I love you guys. Nothing like intelligent, witty conservatives who are consistently on point in their responses to liberal smack-talking.

Keep up the good work… I’ll try and post often now that I have registered and know this site is available for my viewing pleasure. :D

Remember, it’s better to remain quiet and appear stupid than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.

I think Mark Twain said that.

… In that sense, [email protected] is just a symptom of the bugger problem.

Is that a typo or a fruedian slip?
I’ll get my coat....