Name someone who made more than that.

Probably a twinkie salesman to which Moore invested his new found profit in.

Hussein squirreled away 100 mil in cash hidden inside some dog kennels. So I’m sure somebody was able to flee Iraq with more than $21 mil in stolen loot.

So when Moore said,

I havent’ seen a dime from this movie!

that was the truth, right?

Moore Interview

Kofi Annan’s son. Of course, I can’t prove it.

Oh, you meant the CURRENT war. Yeah, well in that case, I suppose you’re right.

So when Moore said,

I havent’ seen a dime from this movie!

that was the truth, right?

Moore is absolutely telling the truth.

a) They probably didn’t bother giving him any dimes.

b) Electronic transfer.

"I defy anyone to find another person that made more money off the war in Iraq.  I mean an individual, not a company.  Moore made $21 mil for his pocket.  Name someone who made more than that.”........How about the gas companies that have raised prices so high you almost need a loan to fill up your tank or heat your house. I suppose absolutely none of the billions in profit has anything to do with this silly war game.

well you do realise that the cost of oil has been ramped up at least according to the oil companies over a variety of things, instability in african oil producing nations and so on

i recall reading an article in one of our papers that had a list of all the events and how many cents they added to the oil price, Iraq added something like 2 cents…

Oh, come on bathroy.  Sounds like somebody needs reminding of the liberal mantra.  Repeat after me:  “Bush stole the election twice to get us into a war for oil so Haliburton could make record profits!  Oh, and cause Katrina!” It all makes perfect sense.  Don’t question it, just repeat it.

The libs never seem to have an explanation or appreciation for gas prices coming back down.  Does this mean the oil companies are now losing money?

Oh, I forgot one more thing.  We needn’t worry about that $21M - since millionaires aren’t paying enough taxes, I’m positive Mikey will be donating that directly to the federal government.  What perfect timing with April 15th right around the corner!

First off, yeah, we know, Moore’s movies are very popular and lots of people see them, so yes, his movies makle lots of money.  We get that already, no one really cares.  Maybe if one of us does something with our lives someday, we’ll make lots of money too.

Secondly, Fahrenheit 9/11 was about more that the war in Iraq, it included many other f-ups from Bush and his friends.  So you can thank Bush for providing the material, all Moore did was relay it to Americans.

And lastly, here’s some people making lots of money from the wars.  Its not just a mindless mantra voiceofreason, there’s plenty of documentation to back up us “wacky” liberals. Just one example of many,

How about the gas companies that have raised prices so high you almost need a loan to fill up your tank or heat your house. I suppose absolutely none of the billions in profit has anything to do with this silly war game.

The war has EVERYTHING to do with gas prices now.  If there is one thing I’ve been preaching this entire time (since before the war) it’s been “No Blood for Oil!”

And you know what?  Bush went and took all of their oil, and as a direct result, we have too much...gas prices have plummeted drastically.  Why?  We took all their oil!

I hate the new low low gas prices that we have due to the overthrow of the utopian Iraq and the trading of blood for their oil.

Let’s see what else did I have to say?  Oh yeah.  Guantanamo!

"Maybe if one of us does something with our lives someday, we’ll make lots of money too.”

Or maybe we’ll do something meaningful that benefits others but doesn’t pay all that much. Money isn’t an indicator of whether or not someone is “doing something” with his or her life. My stepson is doing Habitat for Humanity in Colorado. He makes just enough money to support himself, and he’s happier now than I have ever seen him.

Maybe he should “do something” with his life. Perhaps he could make obscene profits by misleading unsuspecting people, all he while pretending to “fight” for their best interests.

OK, Yoohoo, please tell me this is a snark:

And you know what?  Bush went and took all of their oil, and as a direct result, we have too much...gas prices have plummeted drastically.  Why?  We took all their oil!

I hate the new low low gas prices that we have due to the overthrow of the utopian Iraq and the trading of blood for their oil.

Because the fact is, Iraq is #6 on the list of top 15 countries from whom we import oil.  They account for about less than 5% of our imports, as of Jan 2006.  Source here.

If it was an obvious snark, I apologize.  You never can tell around here…

Secondly, Fahrenheit 9/11 was about more that the war in Iraq, it included many other f-ups from Bush and his friends.  So you can thank Bush for providing the material, all Moore did was relay it to Americans.

Thank Moore for his wonerful editing techniques and ability to misrepresent truth (and give a good hand to those ignorant enough to buy his laod of sh*t)

I love the old tired Halliburton crap. In 1995 Halliburton was trading at around $18 a share. In 1998 it was trading at ` a share. In 2001 Halliburton was trading at $38 a share in 2004 it was at $36 a share.

Care to explain? Three year periods under two different Presidents.

In full disclosure Halliburton is now at $68 or $8 dollars more than it was in 1998. And this is recent, it didn’t pass $60 a share untill late 2005.

So under Clinton it started at $15 a share and ended at $50.

Under Bush it has gone from $50 to $68.

So to a liberal $18 is more than $35.

So was the Balkans all for Halliburton?

My other favorite is that oil companies make oil prices.

I thought it was supply and demand, maybe I should go kick my economics professor in the groin for lying to me?

Why can’t these people even be fundementaly honest?

I think I am starting to blame Moore less, people should know better.

liberals still love that movie i find it so amusing when ever i hear a liberal bring that movie up i have to try so hard to try not to laugh (my personal opinion is that moore is secretly working for the republicans)

I love the old tired Halliburton crap.

I understand it all gets over-hyped, but I think you would be very hard pressed to convince anyone that Halliburton has not done well by the Iraq war.  Im not saying its because of Cheney, or campaign contributions, or anything like that.  All I am saying is that the company has received some very good business as a result of the war.

One man in particular, according to one web site (and so far, the info looks pretty legit), has made out very well.  David Lesar, CEO of Halliburton. 

Ill just let you read, and rip apart at will.  Ive gone through it a bit, checking the sources ect, and so far the info seems good.  I know this wont change anyones opinion about Moore or the almighty golden Halliburton, but Moore isnt the only one with a couple extra bucks in his pocket.

http://www.halliburtonwatch.org/news/lesar_stock.html

Yoohoo, you are a joke. I’ll bet you’re a comedian, because THAT was just too damn funny! or does Al Franken just have you hypnotized?

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/001/607rkunu.asp

The link above is a reminder to all you libbies who FORGET about this event, before EVIL G.W. stole those elections. ;)

up4- while i havent read the article you posted, i wanted to point out there are organizations that specializes in specific scenarios such as rebuilding and reconstruction (as there must be).  And since Haliburton is one of those companies, they will always appear to make money off of disasters and tragedies.  Now, im not commenting on the methods in whihc the acquire the jobs or contracts, since that is a whole other topic and i dont want to venture too far off the current one.

iggy-

I totally understand that.  And Ive even read that for certain jobs, they are the only company that can do it.  I guess thats why they can basically charge whatever they want.  Supply and demand.  It still stands though, that financially, they have done quite well as a result of the war.

Haliburton is doing what most American and other country based companies are doing in Iraq. Charging double or triple of what an item is really worth.  All they do is give the supplier a little kick back and pocket the rest.  Example: DFAC (dining facilities) over in the US generally charge from $4-8 per meal (only officers have to pay for that), while over in Iraq ol buddy Hali, Dirkali, and Chiro charge $19-35 per DFAC meal.  Now of course you can say that its always cheaper to eat in the USA, true.  But it does not cost $10-27 dollars to ship dehydrated meals from Africa, Asia, Europe, or the US.
So in conclusion, all the companies are sticking it to us, including Haliburton.

First of all, as has already been stated, Iraq is NOT our #1 supplier of oil, so the “No Blood for Oil” slogan is a Leftist, moronic statement.
Second, these same people that cry that are the same people that after they protest in the streets, they get in their SUVs and drive 20 miles homes, burning lots of oil.
Third, Bush has said in several speeches and reiterated this morning at his press conference, that he is pushing oil alternatives such Hybrids, fossil fuels, and means other than oil. He is trying to get our Congress to pass laws that will support this agenda, but our Lib friends can not get the war off their brains for 30 seconds to help save our environment.
Lastly, I am very curious what Mickey is going to do with his $21 Million...donate it to those who are without healthcare? Buy all the guns that are being used by law-biding citizens? Use it towards Cindy Sheahan’s future bail? Get a boob job?

Posted by Yoohoo on 03/20 at 09:21 PM (Link to this comment)

So when Moore said,

I havent’ seen a dime from this movie!that was the truth, right?
Moore is absolutely telling the truth.

a) They probably didn’t bother giving him any dimes.

b) Electronic transfer.

c) Time issues. He had not yet received the money.

Posted by bathory on 03/20 at 10:44 PM (Link to this comment)

“well you do realise that the cost of oil has been ramped up at least according to the oil companies over a variety of things, instability in african oil producing nations and so on”

And the sky is blue.

Oil companies do not set the price of oil…

Posted by up4debate on 03/21 at 10:11 AM (Link to this comment)

I understand it all gets over-hyped, but I think you would be very hard pressed to convince anyone that Halliburton has not done well by the Iraq war.  Im not saying its because of Cheney, or campaign contributions, or anything like that.  All I am saying is that the company has received some very good business as a result of the war.

You can’t convince anyone because of the hype.

Anyway, they may very well have lost money on Iraq. It is a cost plus contract for some items but not others… security was not a cost plus item. Word is KBR did not make money due to Iraq and the company wants to spin it off.

One other thing in case it hasn’t been mentioned.  Gas is still cheaper now in real dollars than it was around the time when Jimmy Carter was president.

Oil companies do not set the price of oil…

sl0re, be careful, you might confuse some people with facts.

One other thing in case it hasn’t been mentioned.  Gas is still cheaper now in real dollars than it was around the time when Jimmy Carter was president.

/sarcasm/
But that’s impossible Don Miguel!  GW is president now, and no one ever did anything worse than he does, EVER!
/sarcasm off/

Up4, how long had David Lesar held the stock he sold?  Is it long or short term capital gains?  What grade is the stock?  Were they options?

You just took data out of context to try to spin the narrative you want without examining...or rather without showing us that you examined, all the important questions.  Moore made his $21 million in blood money after the war began.  He made it by selling misery, sometimes against the wills of those he filmed, sometimes by lying outright to them, sometimes by buying footage under false pretenses.  All stories you KNOW we’ve covered here over the last couple of years. 

Just because David Lesar sold the stock after the war started does NOT mean the war made those shares profitable.  Moore is still the single biggest profit-earner as a direct result of the war in Iraq.  Without the war as his centerpiece, he had no film.

Haliburton is doing what most American and other country based companies are doing in Iraq. Charging double or triple of what an item is really worth.  All they do is give the supplier a little kick back and pocket the rest.  Example: DFAC (dining facilities) over in the US generally charge from $4-8 per meal (only officers have to pay for that), while over in Iraq ol buddy Hali, Dirkali, and Chiro charge $19-35 per DFAC meal.  Now of course you can say that its always cheaper to eat in the USA, true.  But it does not cost $10-27 dollars to ship dehydrated meals from Africa, Asia, Europe, or the US.
So in conclusion, all the companies are sticking it to us, including Haliburton.

Do you have any idea how much operations in a war zone cost?  Let me give you an idea…

Last year, I was working with a truck driver for a defense contractor.  He had just returned from a 5 month tour in Iraq (actually, he was delivering fuel from Kuwait to Iraq).  He was supposed to be there for six months, but his convoy was hit by an IED and he took shrapnel in the leg.  He was sent home early as a result.  His pay for a 6 month stint?  $125,000.  He said that typically he makes $75,000 a year, but with the kind of pay they were offering, he couldn’t turn down an opportunity like that.  He returned early and received his full pay plus a handsome compensation package for his injury.

Two months ago, I was contacted by a recruiter for a defense contractor.  They got my resume off of Monster (my resume has my military experience on it).  I was asked if I would be interested in contract work.  It was a security position.  I would be in Iraq for 3 months.  They would pay me $75,000 up front.  Believe me, it was tempting, but my wife is 8 months pregnant, and I couldn’t leave her to deal with a newborn and a toddler on her own.

So when figuring out how much a meal should cost, you have to remember that there are DRASTIC increases in cost, most of which stem from companies having to pay the people who are working in the hot zone 3-5 times their normal salary.  So while he cost of the actual meal might not have gone up, the cost of bringing it in country and then paying someone to serve that meal has increased by an inordinate amount (do you think the kid working at the BK on an Iraqi military base is only making $6.25 a hour?)

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Moore has been ridiculously open about the millions of dollars he’s made. If there was any justice in this world he would be lumped in with the crooks in the Oil-for-Food scam and pelted with rubbish.

And the sky is blue.

Oil companies do not set the price of oil…

fair enough, the rest of my point still stands though in that it is more than just the Iraq war driving prices up >.<

Third, Bush has said in several speeches and reiterated this morning at his press conference, that he is pushing oil alternatives such Hybrids, fossil fuels, and means other than oil. He is trying to get our Congress to pass laws that will support this agenda, but our Lib friends can not get the war off their brains for 30 seconds to help save our environment.

I’m not sure how to respond to this one. Whether you’re a liberal or conservative, it is so obvious that Bush’s record on the environment is awful. 

The above comment is just, I just don’t know what to say....really really....unbelievable! The Libs are preventing Bush from saving the environment becaus they can’t stop talking about this giant mess in Iraq?

Bush will never help this environment, never has done one thing to get us off oil except for broken promises in 2000 and mentioning the fact that we were adicted to oil in his state of the union. Just an unbelievable thing to suggest…

Oh, and here’s a site to check out: http://www.bushgreenwatch.org/

First of all, as has already been stated, Iraq is NOT our #1 supplier of oil, so the “No Blood for Oil” slogan is a Leftist, moronic statement.

Of course Iraq isnt the #1 supplier of crude to the US, i may be wrong but wasn’t the country under sanctions up until now? It will be interesting however to see how much more crude is sold to the US in the following years :)

Oil companies do not set the price of oil…

They may not set the price but the top oil companies have influence over the market price.
Their are many reasons for the current high price in oil, to point the finger at just one of the reasons is moronic and ignorant.

Talk to the House of Saud who not only are exorbitantly rich because of oil, they leave a good chunk of their own people impoverished while they fund terrorists.
Wasn’t this thread about Moore profiting from the war in Iraq?

Pkay - You completely missed the point of what I was trying to say.
First off, I am no dummy. In general, Republicans have not made the environment a top priority nor has their record been completely clean.
But to clarify my original point, Bush has TRIED to get environmental laws passed and IS trying right now as we speak. The Lefts do their usual “if Bush wants it, I’m going to lean the otherway” routine. Even when he tries to make the environment an issue and comes-up with great ideas that will help, not hurt, he has members of Congress that will fight him, even if they are wrong. Look-up voting records in Congress and you will see my point.
He has legislation that is making its way into Congress as we speak which will help our environment. Why don’t you ask your local congressmen, especiall the Lefts, how they intend to vote on these matters?
Also, I was making a sarcastic comment that while Bush is trying to deal with the war, he is also trying to make good on other campaign issues such as the environment and the Democrats are stopping him from doing this. They focus on the war and keep digging at his credibility.
By the way, I went to the webpage you referred to and read the article. Your claim is that it is Bush and the Republicans who have a bad record on the environment, yet I found the following part of the article REALLY interesting:
“But certain members of Congress are taking matters into their own hands. Sen. Pete Domenici (R-N.M.) introduced a bill, cosponsored by Sen. Jeff Bingaman (D-NM), a month ago that would open up about 3 million acres in the Gulf of Mexico to oil and gas development, essentially putting into effect the first stage of the Bush administration’s five-year plan.

Isn’t it interesting that a Democrat has joined forces with the Republicans on expanding oil drilling? Your contention is that the Republicans are bad for the environment, yet here is Democrat doing something equally bad! Or is this OK legislation because a Democrat is involved? Taken right from your own source…

Oh yeah, one other point PKay - Republicans DO have their fair-share of efforts to help the environment.

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session;=1&vote;=00158

This is just of many votes you will never hear about from our Liberal media. Of course, I too sometimes fall victim to their bias and begin to believe that Republicans are “anti-environment”.

Michael Moore, war profiteer? You self hating masochist boot lickers are dredging the muck. Of course Moore made money, people willingly paid for his product. I thought that was the American way. Why anyone would would snit over this is amusing (your slip is showing). SHOW ME THE LIES. The kite scene was not staged, these were Iraqis living life before the invasion, certainly things were not perfect under Sadaam Hussein he was a tough dictator the globe is peppered with them. I would be the first one to applaud Bush if there was success after the lies. The plain truth is he is an incompetent sociopath that let Bin Laden pull off 9/11 and then get away. If it would have been a President Gore in office on 9/11 it would have been all his fault.

SHOW ME THE LIES

Look, new fuck.  There’s a link in the upper corner of this site just for moore-ons like you.  TRY FUCKING READING IT.

SHOW ME THE LIES.

I havent’ seen a dime from this movie!
-Michael Moore

Disney, in honoring this deal, paid Moore a stunning $21 million.

Man, there should be a roast of Mr. Moore.  I mean a Real Roast in which we roast HIM!  Think, it would end world hunger for decades!

MostlyRepubMan, you made a pretty good response to my post.  Let me just clear up a few things.  I didn’t mean all Republicans are anti-environment and all dems are for helping it, I meant Bush has no interest in saving it.  He’s an oil man and always will be.  The source I gave was meant to be the entire website, which has numerous articles about Bush and the environment.  And I objected to your post mostly because I thought you were implying that the dems were unjustly focusing on the war in Iraq and neglecting the environmental issue, while Bush has been pushing some pro-environment agenda.

Now overall, Bush has not done much at all to improve the environment.  I do not know of the legislation you speak of that he is currently pushing, so I can’t comment on that. But I will look into it.  Here’s another source that documents his performance on the environment, so that I don’t have to list them all here.

And JimK, I know you’re running this show and you can do whatever you want, but why are you so hostile to those who disagree with what you say?  I assume the comment section is here for people who both agree and disagree with your posts and what’s on the site.  Correct me if I’m wrong.

And JimK, I know you’re running this show and you can do whatever you want, but why are you so hostile to those who disagree with what you say?  I assume the comment section is here for people who both agree and disagree with your posts and what’s on the site.  Correct me if I’m wrong.

And that’s normally fine.  So long as you don’t start that disagreement like this…

Michael Moore, war profiteer? You self hating masochist boot lickers are dredging the muck.

That doesn’t sound like disagreement (up4debate’s post was disagreement) or discussion (once again, see up4).  It’s namecalling and mudslinging.  If Albert Einstein has started his theory of relativity by saying, “OK, you ignorant cocksmokers… I’ve figured this out for you since you are so incompetant!”, who whould have listened?

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only the ignorant cocksmokers… obviously

Certainly not your or anyone elses fuck, like you are most assuredly queer for Boy George and certainly his fuck. Get your face out of Boy George’s butt crack for a while, that super sized turd diet is bad for you. It clouds the rational objective thought processes. Take in some fresh air. If you are between the age of 18-37 and support this scam by all means go enlist, or are you just another squawking CHICKENHAWK?

Don’t you love how something like 90% of the libtards that come to troll display massive homophobia?

Certainly not your or anyone elses fuck, like you are most assuredly queer for Boy George and certainly his fuck. Get your face out of Boy George’s butt crack for a while, that super sized turd diet is bad for you. It clouds the rational objective thought processes. Take in some fresh air. If you are between the age of 18-37 and support this scam by all means go enlist, or are you just another squawking CHICKENHAWK?

You know, that isn’t exactly the way to win people over here and start rational and peaceful discussions.  You came in tossing insults and names.

certainly things were not perfect under Sadaam Hussein

Congratulations! You’ve just won first prize in the ‘Understatement of the Year’ competition!

Sorry, I did not start out on that path (check my 1st post)just succumbed to provocation. Nevertheless I am still very curious as to JimK’s eligibility for military service. Like most neocons that never directly address the question or argument then toss red herrings. I suspect he is a typical CHICKENHAWK. Well JimK are you eligible for military duty or are you another cheerleader comfortable sending others to fight for what you believe in? Be honest, I know it is difficult.

Sorry, I did not start out on that path (check my 1st post)just succumbed to provocation.

Michael Moore, war profiteer? You self hating masochist boot lickers are dredging the muck.

Be honest, I know it is difficult.

Practice what you preach douchebag. Now go back in the hole you crawled out of.

Certainly not your or anyone elses fuck, like you are most assuredly queer for Boy George and certainly his fuck. Get your face out of Boy George’s butt crack for a while, that super sized turd diet is bad for you. It clouds the rational objective thought processes. Take in some fresh air. If you are between the age of 18-37 and support this scam by all means go enlist, or are you just another squawking CHICKENHAWK?

Guess what?  I tried to enlist, but asthma and a prescription inhaler on my medical record disqualify me from military service.  Now, unfortunately I had to go to college for forestry, which brings me to the “Bush is anti-environment” garbage and more specifically the forestry aspects of which I believe I am qualified to comment on.

Gifford Pinchot, who founded the profession of forestry and forest management believed in the conservation (wise use) of natural resources.  I believe Bush has this philosophy somewhat.  He passed the Healthy Forests Act which allows for some timber cutting to pay for forest fire protection.  Contrary to the Sierra Club’s assertions, this law will not enable huge evil timber companies to clearcut all the old-growth forests.  It simply allows for some trees that are worth money to be cut in order to pay for the cost of treating fire-prone land by removing hazardous fuels (highly flammable small trees, shrubs, etc.) with no value.  I would say this is “pro-environment”, cutting a few trees to protect many more acres. 

The other side is preservation, which means to set everything aside as Wilderness and not touch anything.  Clinton was of this mindset when he passed the Roadless Act (can’t remember the official name).  This act set aside “roadless areas” to become future wilderness.  I was actually driving on a road in the Monongahela National Forest in a “roadless” area where a study of forest regeneration had to be abandoned after thousands of dollars and years of data were taken because of this feel-good law. 

Another example was the politically-influenced Northwest Forest Plan, which put hundreds, if not thousands of people out of work in the forest industries and ruined entire towns because of an owl that may or may not be endangered (the science is inconclusive).  I remember in 3-12-02 edition of the Arcata (CA) Eye newspaper when Mikey commented something to the effect of: “Who do these companies think they are cutting down all the trees?” This is typical of the ignorant enviro mindset (not that Mikey himself is an enviro) of someone who knows nothing about forests.  The people cutting the trees are doing it to bring home a paycheck and support their families.  By the way, when you cut a tree down in most areas 10 or 20 will grow in its place.

Preservation, which most “environmentalists” espouse, neglects the human aspect that people need natural resources.  This is, of course, where most “environmental” groups stand.  The unforeseen consequences of this action is that it forces people to import natural resources from areas that have no environmental protection in their natural resource production, such as is happening now as more and more paper is imported from Asia and South America, where there are little, if any environmental controls. 

Just because an “environmentalist” or an “environmental” group says something don’t take it as truth.  Rarely do they use science in their arguments, usually just illogical emotion (sounds eerily familiar to the modus operandi of a large “documentary” filmmaker).  Everyone should have a say in the management of our public resources, but science and experience should be used by managers on the ground to actually get things done.  Sorry for being long-winded but the “Bush hates the environment and is trying to poison us all and clearcut all the trees” argument really gets me fired up.