Who said kids cant learn anything from Moore’s films

Bowling for Columbine, a film which showed how evil American policies turn kids to violence, and how everything would be better if we were more like Canada, has inspired school violence… in Canada.

WTF do you know about that? It is just one possibility mentioned by the police sgt.
Your logic is mooresque

Good Jesus !

That kid actually painted on a wall in his hig school !

You’re right Lee, it has absolutly nothing to do with America, in Canada kids vandalize their high school, what a scary place to live in…

I’m sure glad I’m sitting safely in Switzerland…

What do Nobel prize winning economists think the Iraq war is really costing?

George W. Bush’s war in Iraq was never supposed to be particularly expensive. Administration types tossed out numbers like $50 billion and $60 billion. When Lawrence Lindsey, the president’s chief economic adviser, said the war was likely to cost $100 billion to $200 billion, he was fired.

Some in the White House tried to spread the fantasy that Iraqi oil revenues would pay for the war. Paul Wolfowitz, the former deputy defense secretary and a fanatical hawk, told Congress that Iraq was “a country that can really finance its own reconstruction, and relatively soon.”

The president and his hot-for-war associates were as wrong about the money as they were about the weapons of mass destruction.

Now comes a study by Joseph Stiglitz, a Nobel Prize-winning economist at Columbia University, and a colleague, Linda Bilmes of the Kennedy School of Government at Harvard, that estimates the “true costs” of the war at more than $1 trillion, and possibly more than $2 trillion.

“Even taking a conservative approach and assuming all U.S. troops return by 2010, we believe the true costs exceed a trillion dollars,” the authors say.

The study was released earlier this year but has not gotten much publicity. The analysis by Professors Stiglitz and Bilmes goes beyond the immediate costs of combat operations to include other direct and indirect costs of the war that, in some cases, the government will have to shoulder for many years.

These costs, the study says, “include disability payments to veterans over the course of their lifetimes, the cost of replacing military equipment and munitions, which are being consumed at a faster-than-normal rate, the cost of medical treatment for returning Iraqi war veterans, particularly the more than 7,000 [service members] with brain, spinal, amputation and other serious injuries, and the cost of transporting returning troops back to their home bases.”

The study also notes that Defense Department expenditures that were not directly appropriated for Iraq have grown by more than 5 percent since the war began. But a portion of that increase has been spent “on support for the war in Iraq, including significantly higher recruitment costs, such as nearly doubling the number of recruiters, paying recruitment bonuses of up to $40,000 for new enlistees and paying special bonuses and other benefits, up to $150,000 for current Special Forces troops that re-enlist.”

“Another cost to the government,” the study says, “is the interest on the money that it has borrowed to finance the war.”

Among the things taken into account by the study are some of the difficult-to-quantify but very real costs inflicted by the war on the American economy and society, such as the effect of the war on oil prices, and the economic loss that results from the many thousands of Americans wounded and killed in the war.

The study does not address the substantial costs of the war borne by Iraq or by any other countries besides the United States.

In an interview, Mr. Stiglitz said that about $560 billion, which is a little more than half of the study’s conservative estimate of the cost of the war, would have been enough to “fix” Social Security for the next 75 years. If one were thinking in terms of promoting democracy in the Middle East, he said, the money being spent on the war would have been enough to finance a “mega-mega-mega-Marshall Plan,” which would have been “so much more” effective than the invasion of Iraq.

It’s not easy to explain just how much money $1 trillion really is. Imagine a stack of bills worth $1 million that is roughly six inches high. (Think big denominations, a mix of $100 bills and $1,000 bills, mostly $1,000’s.) If the six-inch stack were enlarged to the point where it was worth $1 billion, it would be as tall as the Washington Monument, about 500 feet. If it were worth $1 trillion, the stack would be 95 miles high.

Ms. Bilmes said that the $1 trillion we’re spending on Iraq amounts to about $10,000 for every household in the U.S.

At his press conference on Tuesday, President Bush made it clear that whatever the cost, American forces would not be leaving Iraq soon. When asked whether a day would come when there were no U.S. forces in Iraq, he said that decision would be made by future presidents and future governments of Iraq.

The meter’s running. We’re at a trillion dollars, and counting.

Graham, what the HELL does that have to do with the the topic?!?!?

And Swissboy, it was WHAT he “painted on the wall” or did you miss that point about how he threatened to kill everyone in the school?

Hello Lee, Jim et al....

I have always appreciated that this site has remained true to the principles of free and open debate however things seem to be getting out of hand. It is bad enough that we have to tolerate the belligerent posts of some, with their blind adherence to ideology. Do we also have to put up with the off topic proselytizing we see above from graham?

My vote is that you are not doing damage to his, or anyone’s right to debate the topic advanced, if you delete his post. Sorry for the hijack but what say you all?

Have to agree with Dr Pete.  Not very strong supporting evidence for your claim.

BTW, to the topic at hand.

Unfortunately here in Canada the Communist Broadcorping Castration treats Moore like some sort of messiah. That some unfortunate and mixed up kid should confuse Moore’s message as an endorsement of the actions at the centre of BFC is not unreasonable. My guess is that no one can begin to unravel the contorted logic that leads kids (or anyone for that matter) to do these things.

Is it likely that the fawning endorsement Moore is given by the CBC (with my friggin’ tax dollars incidentally) may have played some part in helping this kid think he/she was justified to think that way.

That some unfortunate and mixed up kid should confuse Moore’s message as an endorsement of the actions at the centre of BFC is not unreasonable.

Even if this were the case, you cant possibly lay this at Moores feet, can you?

And Swissboy, it was WHAT he “painted on the wall” or did you miss that point about how he threatened to kill everyone in the school?

I think you missed mine… let me rephrase :

You conservatives are literally grasping at straws these days.

Lee had to dig up an article about some kid painting a wall in Canada cauz that about the only thing he can still debate about whithout feeling ridiculus !

Man do yourself a favor, help the Dems to get Bush out of the white house, then you can go on saving foetuses and
drillin’Alaska.

The way things are right now you’re gonna and up with Hilary, is that really what you want ???

Hi Up4…

I see this effect more as a reminder of the responsibilities that come with being a national broadcaster. Voice of authority and all. In this particular case I see Moore as having collateral responsibility. Nothing to put out there if that lying sack of sh*t hadn’t made his movie.

Back to broadcaster responsibility; I cannot see myself supporting any sort of agency or board to regulate the dissemenination of ideas to the public (let’s talk about the CRTC another day). I am a libertarian at heart. I would appreciate it, though, if broadcasters took responsibility for their actions and gave more careful consideration to what/how they present.

I am a libertarian at heart. I would appreciate it, though, if broadcasters took responsibility for their actions and gave more careful consideration to what/how they present.

If you are only talking about the CBC, Im with you.  They should only show hockey.  They arent good at anything else.  They are possibly the best in the world though at producing a top rate hockey broadcast. 

In this particular case I see Moore as having collateral responsibility. Nothing to put out there if that lying sack of sh*t hadn’t made his movie.

Im not exactly sure what you mean by collateral responsibility.  Have you seen the movies Elephant, or Zero Day?  You should check them out, see what you think.  Ive seen both on the movie network. 

Ill wait to see exactly what you mean by collateral responsibility.  I find it hard to believe a libertarian would want to look much further than this kids parents.

You conservatives are literally grasping at straws these days.

Lee had to dig up an article about some kid painting a wall in Canada cauz that about the only thing he can still debate about whithout feeling ridiculus !

Moore claims Canada is a utopia. This is not “grasping at straws”. News reports like this fly in the face of Moore’s claims.

Bowling for Columbine, a film which showed how evil American policies turn kids to violence, and how everything would be better if we were more like Canada, has inspired school violence… in Canada.

Um, that introduction is going to need a few alterations to be more, you know, accurate? Is that the word I’m after? Yeah… I looked it up. Accurate.

Here are my suggested alterations.

Bowling for Columbine, a film which showed how evil American policies turn kids to violence, and how everything would be better if we were more like Canada, was shown on TV a while ago, where hundreds if not thousands of people saw it may have inspired one person who was clearly a bit messed up in the first place to paint some nasty things on a wall, according to the off-handed remarks of a SINGLE POLICE OFFICER! (But, just to be clear; no one has actually been hurt because if we were to actually write that the film “has inspired school violence” that would be a gravely misleading exaggeration of the truth, bordering on a lie in fact, and that’s just the sort of thing we accuse Michael Moore of doing, so we definitely wouldn’t write that)… in Canada.

Wow! Now there’s a story! And your sources are so rock-solid! I mean, that quote from the police officer, (the one that isn’t even there, just paraphrased in editorial form?) well that is quite damning isn’t it? Do you think the film will be banned now? Because, I think this article could do it.

Jesus Christ - talk about stretching it…

I guess what I had in mind by collateral responsibility is that I see the broadcaster as closer to the front of the line for responsibility in this situation than Moore might be. I see broadcasters as having a higher standard to meet, particularly when they are using my tax dollars to pay their bills. Movie makers are easier to ignore although I don’t think they and their studios are completely off the hook.

As to the parents, yep, I agree; a good portion, if not the lion’s share, of responsibility resides with them. However once a kid hits high school parents are no longer the only authority in the mix. I wouldn’t be surprised to find a teacher or two similar to the infamous geography teacher from Colorado in any kid’s background (although that is based on nothing other than conjecture and/or statistical probabilities in this specific case). And the elite media in our country (my apologies for the exclusionary language to all you non-Canucks) cannot run from the role they play in shaping opinion. They embrace that responsibility gleefully if they feel they have achieved a “progressive” outcome but they point their collective fingers at others when it comes time for unintended consequences.

I think you missed mine… let me rephrase :

You conservatives are literally grasping at straws these days.

Lee had to dig up an article about some kid painting a wall in Canada cauz that about the only thing he can still debate about whithout feeling ridiculus !

Man do yourself a favor, help the Dems to get Bush out of the white house, then you can go on saving foetuses and
drillin’Alaska.

The way things are right now you’re gonna and up with Hilary, is that really what you want ???

Are you just randomly connecting buzzwords today Swissboy or were you trying to make a point?

If it is related to the fact that this is a little tenuous to be laid at Moore’s feet then we agree… but laying anything at Moore’s feet only means he will never see it.:)

Fat joke aside, there are ample things to attack Moore on, nobody needs to go grasping at straws.

Jesus Christ - talk about stretching it…

Works for Moore.

Works for Moore.

What makes you say that?

Because I picked apart the incredibly wide, gaping holes in the accuracy and integrity of the way this article is being lazily and irresponsibly presented here, I must be a left-wing Moore-ite nutcase right?

Is that the laser-logic that you’re running with, genius?

Again - talk about stretching it.

Ferdy-

Im a little confused still. 

I see broadcasters as having a higher standard to meet, particularly when they are using my tax dollars to pay their bills.

I agree.  Somewhat.  I would say ONLY when they are using your tax dollars.  Was it the CBC that showed BFC here?  If it was another broadcaster, say Chum, or Global, do they hold any responsibility?

Seriously - I’m amazed this is even up for debate. This is such a non-story.

Lets, again look at the facts;

1)Kid writes threatening slogans on wall at school.

2)Film about two kids who kill other kids at school is shown on TV in the same week.

That’s it. That’s all there is. And somehow, some scandal has been extrapolated from the incredibly tenuous link between these two ‘facts’.

Lazy lazy lazy.

Yawn.

Hey, I heard about these two kids of about school-age fighting each other in the park, and at one point, one of the kids definitely shouted “I’m gonna kill you!”, and over the street there’s a video rental store that was stocking ‘Bowling for Columbine’.

Do you think there’s a link there?

Hi Up4.....

Sorry, I was busy raping the earth (I work for an Oil and Gas company).

Sure, I can live with CBC having the much higher standard than private broadcasters.

As to whether it is the CBC that is the guilty party in the referenced situation, that would be my guess but I don’t know that for sure. I do know that the CBC has given prominent play to BFC a couple of times already, and that the attitudes portrayed in that movie align exceptionally closely with those generally found on the Mother Corp.

I suppose it is possible that it was one of the private broadcasters but I would say less likely.

FM

Barry, did you ever for just one second think that it could be true?

Of course not.

Sardonic humor really does escape some people.

[quote="HiVelSword"]Barry, did you ever for just one second think that it could be true?

Of course not.

I never doubted that someone at a school in Canada wrote some things on a wall pertaining to violent conduct.

I never doubted that Bowling for Columbine was shown on TV near the school where this happened.

I do however, contest the notion that a film which spends most of its time contesting gun laws and only some of its time documenting the horrific acts of two sick-minded juveniles, was responsible for making this kid write the slogans, if he was a previously well adjusted kid.

Also, what I am taking issue with is the woefully inaccurate presentation of this article.
In the leader to the article it says that the Moore film “Had inspired an act of violence”. Which is completely untrue.

It may have contributed to the idea behind the painting of some nasty slogans on a wall. This may be true. But is probably impossible to prove.

Now, you tell me what you think is true. Idiot.

Also, what I am taking issue with is the woefully inaccurate presentation of this article.
In the leader to the article it says that the Moore film “Had inspired an act of violence”. Which is completely untrue.

Fair enough,

Of course, part of Moore’s argument in BFC was that American culture, including our media, leads to violent, antisocial behavior.  Now somebody is suggesting that his movie may have lead to antisocial behavior.  There’s certainly some irony in that, regardless of whether or not you agree with it.

Excellent point Vermin.

It must be so frustrating for them when they get held to the same standard that they set for others.

There’s certainly some irony in that, regardless of whether or not you agree with it.

You can find irony anywhere you want, this does not make Lee’s assertion any more valid.

It must be so frustrating for them when they get held to the same standard that they set for others.

What do you mean?

You can find irony anywhere you want, this does not make Lee’s assertion any more valid.

Maybe you can; I can’t. What does this have to do with what I posted?

You can find irony anywhere you want

Maybe you can; I can’t.

I was not saying that I could find irony anywhere, I was referring to you in that sentence. Sorry if I did not phrase it cleary!

What does this have to do with what I posted?

I just pointed out that the irony that could be found in the article provided by Lee does not make up for his incorrect assertion.

Hello DrPete....

You asked what I meant by holding people to the same standard they set for others. This issue was highlighted recently by the National Post here in Canada when it ran an article demonstrating the hypocrisy of Noam Chomsky. The article showed that while Chomsky condems others for the use of trusts to avoid taxes he himself has made extensive use of this strategy, as well as others, to avoid paying taxes.

I consider Chomsky and Moore to be fellow travellers in the trade of telling others what to think and how to behave. Don’t you think it is reasonable for them to be held to the same standard?

There’s certainly some irony in that, regardless of whether or not you agree with it.

Yeah they would be much irony in this if it made any sense, of course it does not…

I see Al jazera broadcasted True Lies before 9/11, think it inspired Ben Laden ?

I was not saying that I could find irony anywhere, I was referring to you in that sentence. Sorry if I did not phrase it cleary!

I assumed you were using “you” generically, as in “anyone can find irony anywhere if he so chooses.”
Since we seem to agree that neither of us can find irony anywhere he looks, I’m unsure what we’re discussing.

I just pointed out that the irony that could be found in the article provided by Lee does not make up for his incorrect assertion.

Once again, what does this have to do with what I posted?
I read and understood what you posted; I was merely curious as to why you posted it in response to something I had written.

Yeah they would be much irony in this if it made any sense, of course it does not…I see Al jazera broadcasted True Lies before 9/11, think it inspired Ben Laden?

Look, as someone struggling to learn a new language I can relate to your difficulties, but honestly, what the hell are you talking about? 
The irony derives from the fact that the Canadian officer is accusing Moore of the same thing he accused the American media of in his film.

There’s no story here.

“Bowling” doesn’t even enter the picture until the very end of the article and, even then, it’s speculation without evidence.

Not to mention the precedent you are attempting to create by saying that violence comes from movies...I can’t believe some people are still trying to play that old tired line.

Wow...movies/T.V./music are the cause of all the bad things in this world.

I also find it funny that the police are speculating that the kid got his/her idea from a MOVIE about two kids who occupied a school building RATHER THAN from JUST two kids who occupied a school building.

Talk about no story.

Talk about no story.

Yeah, Moore likes to do that.
See, he went on, in that entire movie, about how we have a “culture of violence”, about this whole thing that we have that makes kids want to kill. (But is very careful not to blame this on any of his Hollywood buddies.) And then he goes on to claim that Canada does not have this culture of violence.
Then this happens. Right after his movie was shown. While you can’t link cause and effect, what does it say about Moore’s own contribution to culture that the police even thought to bring it up?
But ah well. He doesn’t have to worry. He has mindless sheep like you to plug their ears to every possible criticism, no matter how tiny, and shout ludicrous defenses at the top of their lungs.

Face it, this story brings up 2 things that Lee loves to talk about.

1. MM’s claims about Canada and how something like this would never happen in Canada.  This flies directly in the face of Moore’s claim.

2. Canadians “blame America for our problems” mentality.

It is valid despite your ignorant assumption other guy.

Yeah, Moore likes to do that.
See, he went on, in that entire movie, about how we have a “culture of violence”, about this whole thing that we have that makes kids want to kill. (But is very careful not to blame this on any of his Hollywood buddies.) And then he goes on to claim that Canada does not have this culture of violence.

Wow.

Moore did NOT blame movies, music, or television for a violent society. This is mainly because violent media does NOT make people violent.

If it did, the nation would be in trouble, Rann. I can’t believe you actually posted that.

Then this happens. Right after his movie was shown.

Wow. Yes, you are posting that. Jeez…

You’re telling me that a movie that asks about the source of violence in society CAUSED an act of vandalism (not violence) to happen? That’s just a little more than ironic, not to mention stupid.

This act wasn’t INSPIRED by the KIDS from Columbine...no, it was inspired from a MOVIE about the kids from Columbine...wow...WOW. Up until now, I thought this was an intelligent board.

And I am pretty sure that of the hundreds of channels available to Canada, BOLWING FOR COLUMBINE wasn’t the ONLY movie on T.V. that night.

Wow.

While you can’t link cause and effect, what does it say about Moore’s own contribution to culture that the police even thought to bring it up?

Excuse me, sir.

You can’t say ANYTHING about Moore’s contribution to violent culture in society. He made a movie questioning why we seem to have a violent society. Gee, yeah, he causes violence all right.

One...ONE...(let that number sink in)...ONE police officer thought to bring it up. Wow. Just...wow.

But ah well. He doesn’t have to worry. He has mindless sheep like you to plug their ears to every possible criticism, no matter how tiny, and shout ludicrous defenses at the top of their lungs.

If by defenses, you mean, “the truth”, yes.

The truth, as it seems, is something you aren’t remotely interested in.

Not that that little criticism matters to you in the slightest. I don’t follow Michael Moore much more than you do.

But you want to call me a sheep? A follower? Excuse me, but you’re following a clan of people on a BLOG that lives to slander somebody else with long-debunked Republican talking points.

Anybody that gets in your way, JimK’s way, or anybody else’s way is deemed on the side of the Democratic party or a “moonbat”, a term, by the way, that originally described to describe Conservatives and Libetarians and has NOW been adopted, as an insult to the Democrats, but the Republican party.

Way to go.

Sheesh...I’m not even a DEMOCRAT and I have to do the fighting for them.

You don’t have a story here, Rann.

Just your USUAL bluster.

Well, forget about Bowling for Columbine for a second. I was just wondering what happened to that kid to make him want to spray death threats on the walls of his school. I hope the school administration investigates this, so that whatever toxic atmosphere that is causing this kind of rage can be improved.

Also, even if it was BFC that inspired this kid, the real question is WHERE ARE THE PARENTS? Had Harris and Kleibold’s parents been paying more attention, the massacre at Columbine could have been avoided.

A-fucking-men.

What the hell is wrong with this kid? Did anybody bother to ask THAT question or are dimwitted police still stuck on media scapegoats instead of blaming the parents or the kid’s mental state?

Ok, everyone, let’s relax our sphincters and step away from the keyboards!!!

Seriously, I think that this article is relevant to Moore, but not in the way that is most obvious.  I think we can all agree that the kid didn’t do this because of Michael Moore.  I would hope that we all understand that this kid is fucked up in the head, and watching BFC didn’t get him there, unless he had bee forced to watch it over and over, ala Clockwork Orange.  Just like Marilyn Manson doesn’t make people mentally ill… It’s more a symptom of the illness.

Now, back to the Moore relevance… This article brings to light Moore’s ridiculousness in a different way.  What Moore does, that this piece does very well, is takes facts that might possibly be significant and blows them out of proportion and turns them into the catalyst for whatever theory he has.  Moore oversimplifies his argument (as we say in my field, he breaks it down to the ridiculous) and expects that his audience will ignore the man behind the curtain.  This article does two things 1) exposes the Moore’s ascertain that Canada is a violence-free utopia as a fallacy (duh!) and 2) exposes Moore’s oversimplification of complex issues.

Do we all think that Canada is perfect?  Does everyone think that America is uncaring and violent?  Neither extreme is right.  The truth lies somewhere in the middle.  Both systems have their flaws, both have their strengths.  The truth is far more complex than can be summed up with a sound bite.  I do not blame Moore for this kid going of the deep end any more than I blame Kmart, Charelon Heston, the bank, Lockheed Martin, etc… for the massacre at Columbine.  I blame the kids who are losing their grasp on reality and their parents for not recognizing the problem and getting their children treatment.

Sir Not Appearing In This Film

Well said, Sir Not. The truth is usually buried somewhere in the middle.

If it did, the nation would be in trouble, Rann. I can’t believe you actually posted that.

I can’t believe you post anything.
No, seriously. I can’t believe you have the basic intelligence required to work a computer, get here, and post anything.
Must be a combination of iMac and AOL…

Look, as someone struggling to learn a new language I can relate to your difficulties, but honestly, what the hell are you talking about?
The irony derives from the fact that the Canadian officer is accusing Moore of the same thing he accused the American media of in his film.

Look Vermin,

It seems to me that your struggle is with logic rather than dialectic, see the Irony you pretend to find in this story derives from the fact that you consider that BFC, a movie which openly attacks the american way of life by acusing it of producing violent individuals could have triggered violent behaviour.

You don’t have to take my world for it, since as it is well know we people on the left side are all liars and communist terorrists I rather remind you of your worlds in this very post :

Of course, part of Moore’s argument in BFC was that American culture, including our media, leads to violent, antisocial behavior.  Now somebody is suggesting that his movie may have lead to antisocial behavior.  There’s certainly some irony in that,

(I took the liberty to enbolden the relevent part)

Reading this nonsense i felt it was importent to remind you that this notion was pure bullshit since no one knows if this violent and anti-social painting is encen vaguely related to MM’s film.

Then in front of the inescapable exactitude of my remark you kindda spin of this shit:

The irony derives from the fact that the Canadian officer is accusing Moore of the same thing he accused the American media of in his film.

Strange that now it would be the fact that a canadian cop belevies moore’s movie may have inspired the student is now the source of this Irony you cherich when before I adressed the lack of facts it was YOU who came to that conclusion.

Lack of Logic or honesty ? Hum ? Which one is it Vermin ?

No, seriously. I can’t believe you have the basic intelligence required to work a computer, get here, and post anything.

Intelligent design, 7-day long universal creation and The Other Guy using a computer…

Yet one more Divine miracle, is the Lord no great ?

This has nothing to do with the discussion, but I read that the Swiss pikemen were once the most feared mercenary soldiers in Europe.

I bet Moore doesn’t mention THAT in his next film.

Swissboy, you’re so stupid I don’t even know where to begin.

Discover the truth of 911 at loosechange911.com, watch the movie, sign up on forums, get involved.

Watch this (Jeff King, MIT Physicist/Engineer and Reseach Scientist):

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8...452&q;=jeff+king

Also check out 9/11 Eyewitness, and of course Loose Change 2nd Edition.

Swissboy, you’re so stupid I don’t even know where to begin.

Now that’s an exageration, look I can operate a computer too… Rann would give me some merit for that ;)

No seriously you shouldn’t call people names only because their political opinions are differant from yours - that’s the problem with the internet - peope don’t show restrain because they’ll probably never meet.

I’m just some guy sittin in Switzerland with an imoderate love of the United-states wich is the center of the world realy… and I should know I’ve been everywhere, i also happen not to agree with what i’ve seen in MM’s movies it looked grossly edited and sounded false wrom the first time i’ve seen them.

So i came here, and i found myself talking with some of the most hawkish republican the country ever had…

and i should always agree with all of them or i’m stupid ???

This isn’t about your political affiliations.  Its about your inability to understand what is going on with this post, which parts are relevant to michael moore, which parts are a common aspect of the sardonic humor of lee, and who said what first.

Its simple and pay attention; the reasons are two and a half fold, and its been said several times in this already.

This story is relevant because MM painted Canada to be a utopian society where something like violence in school could never happen.  Now you can claim in this case that the violence hasn’t happened yet but its a serious enough threat for the cops to be looking into it. 

The next reason it become relevant is because Lee loves to post about when Canadians get into their “Its all America’s fault” mode.  That is exactly what the officer did when he said how the film BFC airing recently could be a reason for this.  That it is a Michael Moore film they are blaming on this is why its that half fold and not just 2 fold.