Armed and Hoserous
Remember, folks. Only in gun-crazy America do kids have AK-47s in their room. Up in Canada, their draconian gun control laws are designed to make sure that that never happens.
The wall of silence that Toronto police usually run into when investigating weapons offences crumbled in an unexpected way Tuesday, when a mother turned in her son after finding a loaded assault rifle in his bedroom.
The woman turned the AK-47 over to police immediately after finding it. Her son, who was known to police, was not home at the time. The police searched the home for other weapons.
The 17-year old suspect was then arrested Tuesday evening when he returned home with a friend. Both were taken into custody without incident.
The suspect, who was known to police, was charged with 13 offences, including weapons charges and possession of cocaine. He was also charged with failure to comply with the Youth Criminal Justice Act, after being placed on a one-year probation in 2005 on another weapons charge, according to police sources.
Okay, so obviously the kid has a fascination with guns. (Perhaps his father was American.) Doesn’t this just show the futility of gun control as a means of preventing gun crime? I mean, if a kid who wants an AK-47 can get ahold of one, why would anyone think that a professional criminal, whose livelihood depends on being armed, would be any different? Note the following, found at the end of the article.
Meanwhile, in Toronto Wednesday, police raided an apartment and seized a number of weapons, including a grenade launcher.
Nigel Jack of Toronto, Troy Bennett of Brampton, and Matthew Allen of Toronto face two dozen charges, including unauthorized possession of a firearm. Authorities found eight firearms, including two imitation Uzi submachine-guns.
They also seized a quantity of cocaine, marijuana and cash as proceeds of crime.
Several rounds of ammunition were also found in the search.
A grenade launcher? In Canada? But, Michael Moore told me that Canada was a pastoral place where everyone loved each other, and people walk around with rainbows shooting out of their assholes singing Celine Dion songs. Why would anyone want a grenade launcher, or an Uzi? Could it be that, despite the rhetoric, there is a criminal underclass in Canada that requires firearms and other weapons as an essential element in conducting its business? Could it also be that criminals, by their very definition, do not obey the law, and thus additional gun control laws won’t have any effect on them whatsoever?
Note that the police also seized cocaine and marijuana. Funny, isn’t it, that Canada’s drug control laws didn’t prevent the drugs from entering their country, yet they seem to think that disarming law-abiding citizens is going to prevent criminals from obtaining weapons.
Comments
quez,
are you a lawyer by any chance?
I’m not lying my dad was in france,why? cause he was in charge of ADA’s buying of machines to his company(he bought trucks and stuff),he also visited louvren or wtf its called.
Anyway,i think its low when americans come to europe and take drugs and win in this prestiges sport.
And about that ball thing,was just a j/k ofc.
But they did tell him they was sure,but could not poven that he cheated.
Actually,my uncle was one of the goverment people in swedish “riksdag"also mayor of stockholm,now probably someone will say you doesnt have mayor in sweden,no we dont,but we have “Landshövding” we basically got Län,like your states,so mayby governor is a better word to discribe him,but he did not have as much power as a state governor in USA has.
I also come from a noble family,and when my grandpa died,the army came and did salute to honor our family.
But thats about it.
Well, Im telling everyone here, Im sure, but I cant prove that your dad was never in france.
Its very sad,that 2nd class europeans(americans)can’t respect the noble people from europe.
For all we done for you people…
And the guys from africa.
Its very sad,that 2nd class europeans(americans)can’t respect the noble people from europe.
So sad. And for the life of me, I cant figure out why!
You know what the funny thing is quez. So far in this thread, I agree with you on 3 different issues. For me, thats alot around here.
But you are such a moron, you actually have me re-thinking my positions!
I’m not anti american,nor anti bush.
But you people need to get to get your act together and lose some weights.
Sweden has many faults too,to high taxes,which probably be fixed after this election when the liberal win.
I’m not anti american,nor anti bush.
But you people need to get to get your act together and lose some weights.
Sweden has many faults too,to high taxes,which probably be fixed after this election when the liberal win.
Could have fooled me you ignorant little child. By the way you might want to do some research on your perfect country. Seems your obesity is increasing acrossed the board.
And go read the information I gave on Lance Armstrong. The accusations couldn’t have anything to do with the French being bitter, now could they?
ooo you have noble blood in you, should I bow? Take your euro elitism and shove it.
ooo you have noble blood in you, should I bow? Take your euro elitism and shove it.
hahaaha :)
I’m not anti american,nor anti bush.
Other than calling us “second-class Europeans” who can’t win your stupid biking sport unless we cheat. Oh okay.
But you people need to get to get your act together and lose some weights.
Based on what you saw on TV, right? ‘Cause TV never lies.
For all we done for you people…
That’s a good point, we never thanked you for saving us from Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia.
DON’T understand that because you keep trying to EQUATE the two.
No (and you are just being deliberatly obtuse), I am equating the reasons why they are regulated. Because they are both dangerous.
since all the others are far more potenet and often result in psychosis, paralysis, death, all kinds of fun happy things.
And guns cant lead to paralysis, death and other fun and happy things? Come on, Worf.
There is no inherent “right” to drive a car in the Constitution. It is regarded as a convenience which doesn’t carry a convincing practical reason to bar the liberty to do so without government interference.
There is no inherent right to own a gun either. See NYC for an example of this. So why is one regulation ok, and the other not? Why are you saying Canadians should be allowed to own more dangerous weapons, given that they can already own some weapons? Aren’t you for removing all restrictions on guns, because it is an unnecessary infringement of your liberty?
Arent you saying that Canadians should be allowed to own AK-47s?
No. That’s why you’re missing the point.
Ok, then how about making a point? What exactly are you saying?
I thought russia won over germany in ww2,seeing how the 3 million big veterans was on the east front and lost its army there…
But okay i owe america something now apparently.
If you had helped us vs russia during ww2,i would have thanked you,but you or england/france never came when we needed you vs stalin,we stopped and won vs their army but took some parts of finland before it was over :(
There is no inherent right to own a gun either. See NYC for an example of this. So why is one regulation ok, and the other not? Why are you saying Canadians should be allowed to own more dangerous weapons, given that they can already own some weapons? Aren’t you for removing all restrictions on guns, because it is an unnecessary infringement of your liberty?
I believe he pointed out taht you can own guns in new york city you ignoramous.
Go read the second ammendment, and how “the right to bear arms shall not be infringed” and tell us again how there is no inherent right in the constitution.
Swedish TV reported once that more then every 1/4 american is heavily obese,while 1/3 is obese,that our biggest tv channel said,or no not the biggest,thats the gov channels svt1,svt2,but channel 4 said that,and they reach out to 6-7 millions of us 9 millions here.
it seems 18% of children in Sweden are obese, while only 15% in America are.
study
They also state that obesity is on the rise in sweden. Kiss my peasant ass you noble moron
There is no inherent right to own a gun either.
That’s not what the founder said. Go back to Snow Snow thread and re-read it.
And maybe you missed the post on this thread on NYC gun laws where I said handguns, shotguns, and rifles are all legal in NYC. See page 4.
I dont belive that study for a second,and feel free to compare the adults…
No (and you are just being deliberatly obtuse), I am equating the reasons why they are regulated. Because they are both dangerous.
But one has a practical function and the other does not. Therefore the mitigating circumstances make them non-equivalent. Believe me, there’s no deliberate obtuseness here, because I definitely don’t WANT to have to keep repeating my points until you grasp them.
And guns cant lead to paralysis, death and other fun and happy things? Come on, Worf.
You were talking about MARIJUANA. Try to stay on point when making your counter-arguments.
If you really want to make it about that, then there is only a 0.005% chance that any gun in the United States will ever cause what you are griping about.
There is no inherent right to own a gun either.
There is an inherent right to defend your home and your property in the way you see fit, without government infringement.
Why are you saying Canadians should be allowed to own more dangerous weapons, given that they can already own some weapons?
I’m not saying that, stop obfuscating. I shall point out YET AGAIN that the suspect had EIGHT guns on him, only two of which were listed in the article as “assault rifles”.
Aren’t you for removing all restrictions on guns, because it is an unnecessary infringement of your liberty?
Again, no. You’re too busy charicaturing other people’s words to actually pay attention to them.
every place I look has said that obesity is on the rise in sweden.
Also remember what we said about how they determine obesity: It involves height and weight and not actual body fat. That puts a lot of athletes in the overweight category as we have said before.
So there you go you royal asshat
Go read the second ammendment, and how “the right to bear arms shall not be infringed” and tell us again how there is no inherent right in the constitution.
Buzzion,
The problem with exnavy is that he has a serious reading comprehension problem. No matter how many times you explain something, he just doesn’t get it.
You see, he thinks the first Ten Amendments to the Constitution are the Bill of Regulations and Restrictions.
To him infringe doesn’t mean to encroach in a manner as to violate or prohibit a right. He thinks a mere restriction a gun permit is an infringement.
He also thinks the 2nd was written to establish a militia.
In other words, he’s pretty dense.
I’m not royal you sob,one of my reletives was one of the 12 who killed the swedish king 1792.
To implant a liberal gov,that would allowed to free speech,free press and to make sweden into America/France.
People like you will never respect people like my reletvies who would risk their own life for the sake of the future people.
Btw you americans had slaves,you builded up your country by trades and the people working at your fields was slaves,and was those things from africa,i forgot what you call them without being racist but those black you know who i mean.
Is that something to be proud of?
Your country had slaves too you stupid twit.
Chronology of slavery
1846
Sweden abolishes slavery.
Gee only 20 years before America. Not all that much in the scheme of things, since afterall you were a country long before the US. That means you have a longer history of slavery.
And anyways my ancestors were still in Germany and Ireland and France until years after slavery was gone in America, and they all lived in the Northern states anyways. And as for what they did there then has no bearing on who I am and what I do today. But I don’t claim any sense of nobility or any other garbage like you have.
You are an idiot. Deal with it.
Again, no. You’re too busy charicaturing other people’s words to actually pay attention to them.
w0rf never wrote truer words.
We had no slavery to build our economy,we had people working in the mines that had been in war vs us.
Or did any crime vs our people
Your history sux,deal with it.
at least I’m not descended from vikings who went around raping pillaging and killing everyone around them.
Btw,my dads last name is Petrini,so i guess i got italian reletives long back,but thats about it…
anyway…
Slavery was common in its ancient history, but was banned in 1337. Slave trading later resurfaced in Sweden’s colonies.
Late 1700 Once the slave trade became a hot issue, the Swedish government decided it was better to stay out of it,and the slave trade on Saint Bartholemew was abandoned.
You wasn’t allowed to have slaves in sweden,the only people who might had it,was people who owned mines,and if those people had done any crime to the swedish people.
However slavery was illegal in sweden and has been for 100’s of years...only the vikings was the real slave traders.
hey I read the same wikipedia article too. You should at least post the link so people can see you’re not actually that smart and knowledgable. You viking rapist.
I see a lot of attacks…
The best countries to live in is…
1.Sweden
2.Denmark
3.England
4.Italy
5.Pakistan
6.marocko
7.iran
8.Usa <-----------
9.China
10.Canada
and where do those rankings come from and what are they based on. The fact that china and pakistan are included should demonstrate how crappy of a study that is anyways
Buzzion, here is the problem,i know there hasn’t been slaves in sweden from the 1300,however i cant say well my teacher said it,can i?
Then your answere would be…
A) she is clueless B) she is lying
Or that i have some old swedish book talking about history,i do wikipedia and it let me use properly english.
and iran too! Wow that’s got to be a great study.
Don’t take that list seriously please!!
I wasn’t honest ofc.
If i couldn’t be swedish i would choose…
American,italian,german,english,or danish.
Those are the countries that i like the most in the world.
Posted by quez on 01/13 at 08:03 AM (Link to this comment)
“Usa took the ideas from french into their own country and pretending like it was their own…”
Man, I can’t seriously argue with your silly propaganda based OPINIONS about your welfare state (but I know a few Swedes and I live better in the US in the middle class than they do over there ;)) but even your history is off.
The US had a liberal revolution long before the French. It was based on ideas taken from the English and some classical philosophers. If anything the French were influenced by the US revolution. Even you crazed lefties were (the notion in the US Declaration of Independence that the pursuit of happiness was a basic right caused quite a stir in Europe… and probably helped spawn socialism as a aberrant strain of revolutionary thought… via the French Conspiracy of Equals).
Posted by quez on 01/13 at 12:13 PM (Link to this comment)
“Swedish TV reported once that more then every 1/4 american is heavily obese,while 1/3 is obese,that our biggest tv channel said,or no not the biggest,thats the gov channels svt1,svt2,but channel 4 said that,and they reach out to 6-7 millions of us 9 millions here.”
It doesn’t help that our government’s definition of obese is stupid. You can have a large build and be in great shape and be rated ‘obese’. I think even Bush is rated as overweight or obese by the US government’s standards… the guy exercises often and is in good shape…
There is website out there listing famous people who are in shape who qualify as obese by our government’s definition but I can’t find it…
Please dont talk about the revolution as some not being made by the french.
Posted by quez on 01/14 at 11:44 AM (Link to this comment)
“Please dont talk about the revolution as some not being made by the french.”
Please get an encylopedia and look it up.
American Revolution: 1775–1783
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_revolution
French Revolution: 1789-1799
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_revolution
I know some revionists throw out Montesquieu and Rousseau as being influences, but I also know they tend to not point to actual examples of the founders reading or quoting them in their writings....
On the contrary, some of the classical authors that influenced Montesquieu are quoted by the founders (such as Polybius)…
Polybius: 203 BC - 120 BC (not French)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polybius
The lack of Rousseau’s influence is probably part of why our revolution went better. :)
We adopted our ideas and notions of government from the English… if anything; the American Revolution was a late battle in the English Civil War with our founders quoting Whiggish views in regard to the Crown.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whig
All in all it’s friendly to French Enlightenment and liberal thinking, but it mostly evolved in England…
The contradictions, and mess made of the transition from feudalism to liberalism, in continental thought are why you all made such a mess of the last century (fascism, communism, et cetera)… the seperation in thought and history are why things went more on the smooth side in the Anglosphere.
quez,
John Locke proposed the concept that government should be limited to securing the life and property of its citizens. Limited government was a huge influence on both our Revolution and Constitution. Locke also promoted the ideas of private property and separation of church and state.
And speaking of separation of church and state, I want to congratulate the Kingdom of Sweden for finally accepting that concept 5 years ago in 2000. However, I don’t have much hope the idea of limited government will ever take hold there.
Michael Moore’s documentary Bowling For Columbine was an inacurate potrail of Toronto, other than that the documentary was good. This documentary “The Real Toronto DVD” will show you the reality off the living on the streets of Toronto. The gun violence, the gangs, the housing projects. everything. Had and still has this whole city shocked.
http://www.realtorontodvd.com
other than that the documentary was good
If you mean as a work of fiction then yes its good. As a truthful documentary its a complete pile of filth with nothing valid added to any debate.
I believe he pointed out taht you can own guns in new york city you ignoramous.
No, you can not. You need a permit. According to this article
http://tinyurl.com/c2ts4
in 2002 only 3,400 “civilians” have this permit. That means that out of 8,000,000 New Yorkers roughly 7,996,000 ARE NOT ALLOWED TO CARRY A GUN!
Go read the second ammendment, and how “the right to bear arms shall not be infringed” and tell us again how there is no inherent right in the constitution.
See above. If you need to obtain a permit to carry a gun (which is handed out only under extreme circumstances to a very small number and which can be denied at will) then you do not have an inherent right to own a gun. Why is that not clear to you?
There is an inherent right to defend your home and your property in the way you see fit, without government infringement.
Nope. You cant defend your home with a flamethrower or, in NYC, most people cant defend it with a gun either. So the government does have the right to infringe on “the way you see fit”.
Aren’t you for removing all restrictions on guns, because it is an unnecessary infringement of your liberty?
Again, no. You’re too busy charicaturing other people’s words to actually pay attention to them.
Really, so what does the following mean?
So why continue to deprive the populace to no social benefit?
...while depriving millions of innocent civilians of their liberties for no good reason other than we think they’re too stupid to handle their own self-defense,
So you feel that the laws are depriving the population of guns? And you seem to be in favour of ending that - right? By allowing people to freely choose whatever weapon they want to defend themselves. Is there any other way of interpreting what you wrote?
Worf, you cheeky monkey, are you flip-flopping? :) You wouldn’t be a closet liberal, would you?
So, what are you saying? You still haven’t been able to spell it out....
exnavy,
Your arguments have now reached the point of absurdity.
Once again, for about the 10th time here is the dictionary definition of “infringe” cut and pasted, word for word :
transitive verb : to encroach upon in a way that violates law or the rights of another <the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed —U.S. Constitution amendment II>;
In other words, infringe means to violate, transgress or exceed the limits of a law or copyright or whatever. A permit is not an infringement. Permits to carry concealed handguns are required in virtually every state in the Union. Permits or registrations do not violate the 2nd Amendment.
NYC clearly allows handguns. They only restrict those with criminal records, etc. from obtaining a permit. Shotguns and rifles are clearly allowed. All these weapons require registration. You said, “NO GUNS”. You are dead wrong.
Here are the facts on handguns straight from the NYC Police Department:
NYC Permit Information
You have shown that 3,400 people in NYC are licensed to carry a concealed handgun. Now tell us how many are licenced to keep a handgun in their home or business.
Face it exnavy, you don’t have a clue what you’re talking about.
You cant defend your home with a flamethrower
exnavy,
Why don’t you show us a law that says flamethrowers are illegal.
And since they are use on hot air balloons and to heat areas of industrial buildings and factories (called flame jets), and since any damn fool can make one using a pressure tank, hose and valves, your argument has gone past the point of absurdity.
exnavy,
To further the cause of irrelevancy, here is a quote from the website below:
Private ownership of flamethrowers is not restricted in the United States. Some collectors of military hardware claim to use them to clear the ice off their driveway in the winter. Flamethrowers are also sometimes used for igniting controlled burns of grassland or forest, although more commonly a driptorch or a flare (fusee) is used.
exnavy,
If I were an innocent defendant on trial for my life, and you were my lawyer, I’d just go ahead and commit suicide.
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Well Swedens Magnus Samuelsson was the strongest person 2001,and win many other competetions and almost won the other years too if it hadn’t been for injuries.
That doesn’t mean im gonna be a strong body builder…
http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/8310/quezzzz8he.jpg
me irl,i doesnt look so strong :O