The lead in seems pretty shitty and biased to me.

It’s definitely not an attack / hatchet job, but were you saved by the $12K?

The lead in seems pretty shitty and biased to me.

Agreed.  It is stuff like this:

Kenefick spoke to NEWSWEEK’s Tony Dokoupil about his unwitting stardom and new opinion of Michael Moore.

The actual interview dosent deliever what the lead in implied, at least…

’separated at birth’ ? ;)

Some of the wording was paraphrased and not exactly what I said, but it was pretty fair.

Yes, it is a lot to expect a journalist to be professional.

In the film, Moore shows several of Kenefick’s blog posts where he pleads for money to keep MooreWatch.com alive

Jim, would you characterize your posts as pleadings? 

Before the world found out from his film, the filmmaker wanted his nemesis to know: he was Kenefick’s guardian angel.

Considering that moore didn’t offer you the money outright (you said later on in the story that you’d have accepted it had you known it was moore from the start), do you believe moore let you know about being in the film out of common decency or because you had already posted on your site about what he’d done?  Do you think he left the voicemail for your benefit or more for his?  Did you feel “saved at the last minute” as the writer suggests?

He’s a guy who sees value in us being out there, analyzing his work and asking questions.

Might it now be time to revisit when moore threatened to sue you?

I liked the article.  I thought JimK came off well as serious and purposeful.  If Moore really thought it was a good idea to keep an opposition site going, then that speaks well of him.  It’s not the worst thing that you have an establishment media outlet like Newsweek calling attention to the discourse here and inviting in interested people.  I am still worried that Moore wanted to turn this site into another Bunny Lady, but that’s been discussed to death.

I notice that you have quite a lot of advertising on your web site.

Thank God; I was concerned that your vision was failing.  Or perhaps you had a point here?

I bet you drive on those commie taxpayer funded freeways too.

Somebody explain to this guy the concept of basic infrastructure.

from where I stand, you are more of a hypocrite than you believe Moore to be.

Where exactly do you stand?  Because I don’t really see the line of thinking that led you to this conclusion.  Perhaps you could expand on that?

It’s time we stopped blaming celebutantes

What exactly are Jim et al “blaming” on Moore?

treating each other as nicely as we think we are treating the Iraqi people.

Oh, snap!  Dude, that is so awesome!  I can’t believe this site has been up for so many years, and only just now, you became the first person clever enough to take a completely unrelated topic and turn it into a cheap dig on the Iraq war!  Do you lay awake at night coming up with this stuff?  Cause it is just top-shelf.

You are not unlike Cheney who, standing upon the graves of gays who have been murdered in the US for being different, tells the media to fuck off when it comes to his daughter.

Another non sequitir, and on top of that, your two listed items here don’t even have anything to do with each other!  What exactly does that mean, anyway, “standing upon the graves of gays” and how would Cheney propose to do such a thing?

Only rich white righties have rights. Isn’t that so?

Um… no?

The rest of us are stuck with bills to pay for the crime of contracting cancer.

OOP!  You got us!  White people never pay for any medical treatment!  Good call!

I challenge you to run a website that is for something instead of being against a rich homely fat white man.

The website is “for” a more open and honest discussion of issues that matter to the people, rather than obfuscating it with bullshit “documentaries” designed to substitute emotional rhetoric for thoughtful discourse.  Or at least, the bulk of its core membership is.  Which reminds me, I challenge you to write a POST on a website that is “for something” instead of trying to turn a discussion into a long rambling invective on race, Bush, Cheney and how liberals are the saviors of humanity.  The comment form DOES ask you to stay on topic, after all....

PS, what do you know about bunnies?

Sorry,dude, my attempt at being obscure.  “The Bunny Lady” refers to Rhonda Britton in Roger and Me
It’s an example of how Moore likes to take non-celebrities, put them in a movie, and turn them into a metaphor for something like GM dehumanizing workers.  She later wondered where her check was.

Actually, that brings up a good point.  If terris assumes that $12k was the “price” for putting JimK in the movie, then he did NOT in fact get a bargain.  Not compared to his normal practice of putting people in without their knowledge or consent, much less paying them for their troubles.

Not compared to his normal practice of putting people in without their knowledge or consent, much less paying them for their troubles

Which is entirely legal and standard practice in documentary filmmaking.  And if he, alone among the world’s documentary film-makers, made it a practice to pay the people in his film all of you idiots would just use it as another reason to question the film ("he just said that because he’s on Moore’s payroll").

Which is entirely legal and standard practice in documentary filmmaking.

I’m sorry, did I ever say that Moore acted illegally in producing his films?  Is there a reason you think that is something that needs to be said?

all of you idiots would just use it as another reason to question the film

... never mind, it all makes sense now.  You’re viewing people’s post through the lens of your own flawed presuppositions, and taking delight at knocking down the little strawmen you’ve constructed for yourself.  Moore would be proud of the way you address other people.

Which is entirely legal and standard practice in documentary filmmaking.  And if he, alone among the world’s documentary film-makers, made it a practice to pay the people in his film all of you idiots would just use it as another reason to question the film ("he just said that because he’s on Moore’s payroll").

You should really go post this quality commentary in the forums on moore’s official site.  Don’t waste your creativity on ingrateful slobs like us…

Hey, that’s a great idea!  Commentary like that, he really shou-

.... oooohhhhhh, I get it.  ;)

terrisl is a pathetic drive-by troll.  Pay it no mind and it will eventually die of boredom.

They were way too hard on your Jim.. but what irks me somewhat is that you were WAY TOO EASY on Mike.

The only reason he *helped* you was to help himself. You should have called him out on it.

You should have called him out on it.

Well, I have before, and I will again, but the reporter never asked me anything that went directly to that part of it.

I think Moore paid the bunny lady $100… How many mil did he make on that movie? anyway....

I bet you drive on those commie taxpayer funded freeways too.

Somebody explain to this guy the concept of basic infrastructure.

Taxpayers pay to build highways for commies, hence commies call them freeways.

This guy is a reincarnation from the 60’s . . . stereotypes all conservatives.  Grossly exaggerates their positions on issues.  Can’t answer your questions because it hurts to think.  Couldn’t define hypocrite given a dictionary, but is one.

I bet neither of his parents can remember if they were at Woodstock or not (yeah, I can stereotype people, too.)

All in all, I think Tony Dokoupil proved he is what he is . . . a journalist.

As for the picture, it was good they put Moore on the left of JimK.

I have noticed a lot of name calling here lately.  Just want to point out that that kind of behavior only projects arrogance and won’t earn any respect, in fact the opposite.

My issue with Moore is an issue with how he goes about doing things. He gives people quick peeks, juxtaposing images that stir people up but don’t give them enough information to make judgments for themselves.

Newsflash:  That is exactly what every organization in the media does.  Why pick on MM for it?  It is not possible for him to provide all of the information required to make judgements - he gives what he can and encourages people to find the truth for themselves.

At least MM is doing something.  To outsiders you all (not everyone here, but quite a few) appear to be a bunch of bullies sitting in front of a computer doing nothing.

Posted by angtro on 06/10 at 01:48 PM (Link to this comment)

“At least MM is doing something.”

Yeah, he is:
“My issue with Moore is an issue with how he goes about doing things. He gives people quick peeks, juxtaposing images that stir people up but don’t give them enough information to make judgments for themselves.”

Basically not informing… spreading disinfo and trying to rile people up and there by discouraging honest discussion… but maybe advance his own position.

Basically not informing… spreading disinfo and trying to rile people up and there by discouraging honest discussion… but maybe advance his own position.

But again...That is exactly what every organization in the media does - why pick on just MM for it?

But again...That is exactly what every organization in the media does - why pick on just MM for it?

because the site is dedicated to watching michael moore ?

why pick on just MM for it?

So if we don’t go after EVERYONE, we can’t talk about anyone?  Is that your logic?

How ridiculous.  This site has a focus.  Other sites focus on other things.  No one does everything.  That’s just an illogical criticism that gets us nowhere. 

By the same token, why not ask Moore why he never makes films about what radical Muslims to to women?  Or what the Chinese do to political prisoners?

He has his focus and you seem OK with that, but we have to be watchdogs over ALL media or we can’t talk about Moore’s lies, half-truths and editing tricks?  That is silly, illogical and fallacious.

It is not possible for him to provide all of the information required to make judgements - he gives what he can and encourages people to find the truth for themselves.

Angtro,

Michael Moore presents nothing but his own bias.  That bias is either based on A) an 8th grade level superficial understanding of the subject at hand, or B) a deliberate omission of relevant facts, or C) both.

At least MM is doing something.

Lying is not “doing something”, at least not in the constructive manner you mean.  Doing the wrong thing, even for the right reason, is still the wrong thing.  If the truth of his points were so plainly obvious, he would not need to manufacture his supporting examples.

A misleading headline to be sure, but in the biz that’s an editor’s doing. It looks like Tony Dokoupil didn’t intentionally ream you or anything. I’m amazed.

LOL, kind of off, but since the topic is the Newsweek story, and they showed a good pic of Moore (he’s shaved!). But even at that, JimK, seriously, you do kinda look like you could be MM’s cousin or something… that’s kinda freaky…

Even freakier is I just got back from a vacation, and I kind of slept in (read: did). I woke up, read the story, then went in to shave. I looked at myself in the mirror at my unshaven, bulky (read: fat) face and scruffy hair--and without saying the unthinkable, I now wonder whether we have enough folks at Moorewatch to do a Moore-look-alike contest.

The company he formed with the Weinsteins threatened to sue me for linking to a whole other site (not run by me) that had the torrent file for a bootleg copy of Fahrenheit 9/11.

I finally had to draw a stupid graphic explaining what a torrent was (and how it worked), and go on radio shows explaining that *I* was not bootlegging the film, but rather linking to someone else who was linking to a file that let you get a copy from yet another group of people.  I also put up the clip of Moore giving public permission to bootleg the movie, and the Weinsteins hated that, since Mike didn’t actually own those distribution rights.  :)

OK, this is OT, but there was a small quip on the BBC today about life in Cuba, and it immediately made me think of Moore and this site (been forever since I was last on here)…

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6655137.stm

Specifically, the following quotes taken from average Cubans…

“The food shortages are the worst,” she eventually volunteered, “and there’s no medicine.

“The boasts about the perfect health system, the lack of unemployment, the education system are not true,” says Miriam.

Sorry for the tangent.