Manufacturing Dissent - Uncovering Michael Moore


Pravda is Truth

Posted by MikeS on 07/18/07 at 02:14 PM

So do you do after CNN hands your sizable ass to you? Declare Victory!

CNN Throws in Towel, Admits to Two Errors, and States That All ‘Sicko’ Facts Are True to Their Source (or something like that)… Moore Realizes All This is Huge Distraction and Then Spends More Precious Time Thanking Paris Hilton for Seeing ‘Sicko’… Meanwhile, More than 300 Americans Die Because They Had No Health Insurance During the 8-Day Gupta-Moore War…

Notice the second error they “admit” on Keckley, he quotes a single sentence and not their paragraph-long deconstruction of his BS.

CNN did apologize for these two factual errors, but no apology seems to be coming for the rest of their errors.

Sorry, Mike, it’s you that’s in error on mixing data from various sources to make the US look as bad as possible. But, when Pravda is Truth, I guess CNN did make an error because they disagree with “truth” as you have defined it—facts that serve your point of view.

Until the last month or so, I have not appeared on a single national TV show for nearly 2 and 1/2 years. After the attacks I had to endure three years ago, from a media intent on questioning my patriotism because I dared to speak out against the war when none in the media would, I decided I had had enough and would simply concentrate on making my next film. I had no desire to participate in networks that were complicit in the war because of their refusal the challenge the commander in chief.

Yeah, I’d stay away from TV too if I was routinely being shown to be a deceptive propagandist. And that darned conservative media. They never give any time to people who were against the war; or filmed anti-war crowds of dozens as if they were thousands; or spent an unseemly amount of time on Mike’s personal inspiration, Cindy Sheehan. But Wolf Blitzer hasn’t called for Bush’s impeachment, so I guess that makes him part of the Right Wing Propaganda Machine.

THAT’S the only thing we should be talking about. How profit and greed are killing our fellow Americans. How profit and private insurance have to be removed from our health care system.

That would be the profits that motivate the creation of anti-retrovirals, cheap insulin, non-invasive diagnostics (think MRIs) and laprocopes.

Damned profits!

Somebody should send a crew to Canada to find out why they live longer than we do, and why no Canadian has ever gone bankrupt because of medical bills.

Being less obese, getting more exercise, not shooting each other and having fewer car accidents might account for the two year difference. I’m not sure what would account for our 8.10 WHO responsiveness index against Canada’s 6.98. Canada is closer to Uraguary in responsiveness than they are to us.

And all of the media should start saying how much it costs to go to a doctor in these other top industrialized countries: Nothing. Zip. It’s FREE. Don’t patronize Americans by saying, “Well, it’s not free—they pay for it with taxes!” Yes, we know that. Just like we know that we drive down a city street for FREE—even though we paid for that street with our taxes. The street is FREE, the book at the library is FREE, if your house catches on fire, the fire department will come and put it out for FREE, and if someone snatches your purse, the police officer will chase down the culprit and bring your purse back to you—AND HE WON’T CHARGE YOU A DIME FROM THAT PURSE!

These are all free services, collectively socialized and paid for with our tax dollars. To argue that health care—a life and death issue for many—should not be considered in the same league is ludicrous and archaic. And trust me, once you add up what you pay for out-of-pocket in premiums, deductibles, co-pays, overpriced medicines, and treatments that aren’t covered (not to mention all the other things we pay for like college education, day care and other services that many countries provide for at little or no cost), we, as Americans, are paying far more than the Canadians or Brits or French are paying in taxes. We just don’t call these things taxes, but that’s exactly what they are.

I quoted this in full, including Moore’s shouting, because I don’t think I can do justice to it. First, taxes are involuntary, Mike. I didn’t raise my marginal rate this high. And my one-month old has had no voice in the crushing taxes she will be forced to pay to finance Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security. If a sheep is eaten by three wolves, is that voluntary because it was outvoted?

Second, you can’t get “a dime from that purse” when the purse is empty in the first place.

Third, the ignorance of basic economics astounds me.  As a rich guy, Moore knows that the rich pay most of our taxes.  There are four ways money gets spent and the least efficient is when you spend one person’s money on another person.

Mike is again buying into the “socialized medicine is efficient” nonsense.  The only way it can be efficient is to ration care and force people to die.  I’m preparing a massive analysis of the WHO report on my own website, which link I’ll to from here.  Suffice it to say, the evidence that a socialized system gives you better “bang for your buck” is, um, zero.

See you all when I’m back on CNN tomorrow—where the discussion will be not be about whose statistics are right, but rather about the guy without insurance who died while I was writing this letter.

And Moorewatch will be waiting.

P.S. Oh… I forgot to tell you about Paris Hilton. Apparently cooped up for too long at home since getting out of jail, she decided to head out for a night on the town. But where does she go? Clubbing? Cruising down the Strip? No! She and her sister decide to go see “Sicko.” Now THAT’S news! So, no more bad words about Paris Hilton!

Well, that does seem about the intellectual calibre of Michael’s audience. Maybe he’s found a muse to replace Cindy Sheehan.

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Posted by biafra  on  07/18/2007  at  03:50 PM (Link to this comment | )

Somebody should send a crew to Canada to find out why they live longer than we do, and why no Canadian has ever gone bankrupt because of medical bills

I’m sure its never happened. No malpractice, either. No deaths, just clinically induced hibernation until the cures are found and made affordable to everyone for FREE. 

Why not send Paris Hilton to show us how they do it? She’s reformed and in the right camp, now, so she must be smart.

But its not only Paris. All of Hollywood is rallying around The Truth.

Hooray for Hollywood

July 17th, 2007 6:57 pm
West Hollywood City Council: Impeach Bush, Cheney

WEST HOLLYWOOD, July 17, 2007 (KABC-TV) - West Hollywood has taken a stand on the war. The City Council is the first in southern California to call for the impeachment of President Bush and Vice President Cheney.

The council unanimously approved the symbolic, non-binding resolution Monday night. The resolution claims Congress and the country were given false intelligence to lead the U.S. into the war in Iraq.

Other charges include orders to spy on Americans, and stripping Americans of their constitutional rights.

Why does it say “Hollywood” in the headline when it clearly says “West Hollyood” in the article twice? Are theses one and the same? Cuz theres a North Hollywood too. So which Hollywood are we supposed to assume? 

I dunno, isn’t this kinda like taking the “1” away from $251?

And the heartland, too, is gathering behind The Truth:

July 17th, 2007 9:04 pm
The ‘I-word’ spreads, but most in politics dismiss the impeachment talk

By Steve Kraske / Kansas City Star

Darvin Muchow wants the world to know that he did not approve the single-word billboard message that graces his middle-of-Kansas wheat field along Interstate 70.

“IMPEACH,” the sign reads in huge blue and red letters. It’s almost impossible to miss.

So what else should the dissenting, non-mainstream Thinker do but blindly follow the Masses.

Posted by w0rf  on  07/18/2007  at  04:36 PM (Link to this comment | )

World-class idiot.  Gupta told him to his face that they made an error of transcription.

Compare that to his statement about people “dying because they have no health insurance” and you have a classic case of someone missing the forest for the trees.  “I have no health insurance?  Hurk!  Blagh!” But accidentally getting a number written down wrong MUST BE TRUMPETED FROM THE MOUNTAINTOPS, WITH INCREDULOUS TREMBLING GUFFAWS AND ABJECT INDIGNATION!

Idiot.

Posted by sl0re  on  07/18/2007  at  05:08 PM (Link to this comment | )

And trust me, once you add up what you pay for out-of-pocket in premiums, deductibles, co-pays, overpriced medicines, and treatments that aren’t covered (not to mention all the other things we pay for like college education, day care and other services that many countries provide for at little or no cost), we, as Americans, are paying far more than the Canadians or Brits or French are paying in taxes.

Ummm, no. Don’t trust ya.

Posted by Aretak  on  07/18/2007  at  06:26 PM (Link to this comment | )

And all of the media should start saying how much it costs to go to a doctor in these other top industrialized countries: Nothing. Zip. It’s FREE. Don’t patronize Americans by saying, “Well, it’s not free—they pay for it with taxes!” Yes, we know that. Just like we know that we drive down a city street for FREE—even though we paid for that street with our taxes.

That is the thing...it is not free, you are paying with taxes. If you are paying for something, it is not free.

There are people that do not consider the taxes involved. They do indeed think that it is free.

I pay $60 a month for health insurance a month, with my company paying the bulk of it. If healthcare is controlled by the government, I may be paying more a month, meaning it comes out of my check every month.

And what of the 47 million that do not have insurance. Not all of these people are poor...there are a lot that have there own small business and do not pay because the premium is to high. Well...I believe if we are taxed 10 - 20 percent of our income to cover healthcare, those 47 million are going to take a hit on there paychecks. Even if it is not that high, they are still going to pay.

So MM logic is flawed. When you say free, people expect free, not a footnote that say by the way, you will pay taxes on this.

Posted by Hirudin  on  07/19/2007  at  08:11 AM (Link to this comment | )

I love all the “free” talk.
Thanks!

Posted by Lowbacca  on  07/23/2007  at  04:02 AM (Link to this comment | )

Hollywood, itself, is actually still part of the city of Los Angeles, as is Northe Hollywood. West Hollywood is a seperate city.
From a standpoint of it being just a headline, saying “hooray for hollywood” rather than west hollywood is more just trying to use a catchy phrase than convey information because its the headline for the article. I’d consider that moderately standard.

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