Manufacturing Dissent - Uncovering Michael Moore


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Posted by Lee on 09/06/05 at 02:25 AM

So I got an email earlier from some German.

From:  Frank [[email protected]]
To: lee-at-moorewatch
Subject: IDIOTS YOUR WEBPAGE

STUPID AMIS

I suspected “Amis” was some kind of derogatory Euroslang for Americans, so I responded by saying, “Huh?  Sprechen zie Engish?” A few minutes later this arrived in my mailbox.

YES BUT MY GERMAN IS BETTER
I NEVER SEEN SOMUCH SHIT IN THE NET MOORWATCH fuck you STUPID AMIS - YOUR PAGE BLAME MICHEAL MOORE - YOU BE HAPPY THAT YOU HAVE SOME PEOPLE THEY DO SOME THINK - BUT BUSH HAVE TO MUTCH POWER LIKE ADOLF HITLER. OUR ARE THE SAME LIKE A nazi YOU DON T HAVE ANY PROOF OF THE LIES FROM Bush or michael moore

You Now NEVER NEVER ONE IRAKI KILLD a amerikan before bush go to take a war Never and you will told me amerika right fuck you you NAZI

Her tell all the parents this they lost the son or in irak

Amerika have no right to do this all the American is responsible for each death

And you better be happy that you have Michael moore he do some think for America - and you know America lost his face in the world and we german we only think stupid amis - the only what they can do is doing Hamburger -

He then included a list of every American death in Iraq, Michael Moore-style.

I AM SIK of your fucking shit page

I hope I’m not the only one who finds it hilarious that I’m being called a Nazi by a German.  And by the way, Klaus, think of this email the next time you and your Aryan friends suck down one of our sloppy American greaseball hamburgers at your local McDonald’s.

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Manufacturing Dissent - Uncovering Michael Moore

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Posted by RepublicNinja  on  09/06/2005  at  03:43 AM (Link to this comment | )

Hitler invaded poland in…

NO! NO! WE WERE INVITED!

I WILL HEAR NO MORE INSINUATIONS ABOUT THE GERMAN PEOPLE! NOTHING BAD HAPPENED!!!

... is that a beer hall?

Posted by Vang  on  09/06/2005  at  03:45 AM (Link to this comment | )

Damn…

I’ve got friends in germany who would like to know who this dummkopf is so they can give him a few lessons in how not to make yourself look like a blithering idiot when writing hate mail.

Then they would give him a few lessons in how not to be a propaganda believing tool…

Posted by oreo  on  09/06/2005  at  07:50 AM (Link to this comment | )

I do not believe the author of the email in question was being rational. However, what are you trying to get at by finding it “hilarious” to be called a nazi by a german? Are you eluding that every german is linked to the nazi party simply by being german? Isn’t this like automatically binding white americans to their slave owning forebearers?
In order to make an edifying and convincing argument against Moore’s rhetoric-you must yourself raise the bar. You have failed to do so and so I categorize your german antagonist and yourself in the same category.

Posted by Dupont  on  09/06/2005  at  08:36 AM (Link to this comment | )

Oreo - It’s like a Russian calling someone a commie; or better yet, a French person calling someone a pussy. :P

It’s just ironic.

Posted by Camkrisand  on  09/06/2005  at  10:05 AM (Link to this comment | )

Oreo, I don’t think there is one person with half a brain that does not see that the firey teuton is not playing with a full deck there.

The association JimK was making was Ironic. 

Maybe it would be better to say all Americans are stupid, because they are American?  Many idiots like the mailer in the post say such things and get a free pass for it from certain memebers of the popular media.

I would say the German’s reference to calling Bush or his supporters nazis really shows his own ignorance of history and what nazisim actually was and did.  I read a news article (or heard it perhaps), where there were a number of German youths on tour in Norway who were shocked to learn that Germany invaded Norway in 1940.  I guess they don’t teach everything about history in Europe.

Posted by AnotherMike  on  09/06/2005  at  11:07 AM (Link to this comment | )

YOU DUMASS!  WHAT YOU DONT NO THAT GERMANS STILL TINK BUSH CAWSED 9-11.  SHIT!  SOME GERMANS EVEN BELEEVE THE MOON LANDING WAS FAKE.  AND THE HITLER IS SAME AS BUSH?  I AM SO SICK OF YOU and yor shit MAIL.\

You dont no that Amerika is whut you Germans are jelus of. because we had to reskue you frum yor NAZI leader.  piss in you.

Posted by iggy21  on  09/06/2005  at  11:23 AM (Link to this comment | )

Some people just dont want to let facts get in the way of their arguments.  My friend actually sent my this opinion piece from his local newspaper.

An Aug. 6, 2001, memo states that the United States is going to be attacked by airplanes. While the Twin Towers are being attacked, my job as President Bush is to read a book about goats to schoolchildren.
With a three-day warning of a possible Category 5 hurricane hitting the Gulf Coast, my job as president is to play golf in California while Gulfport and Biloxi are being slammed into oblivion.

While taxpayers pay $129,000 a minute to bring democracy to Iraq, my job is to extend the National Guard from Louisiana, Mississippi and Alabama to bring electricity, schools and candy to children. Meanwhile, these National Guard troops watch their homes disappear on Fox News satellite to Iraq.

It sounds like another reincarnation of Moore (or a translation of an old OBL tape)

Posted by ZK273  on  09/06/2005  at  11:42 AM (Link to this comment | )

I understood everything up to “Subject”.

Posted by ProgrammingMarine  on  09/06/2005  at  02:10 PM (Link to this comment | )

Yeah, my girlfriend is German. Everytime we go to visit family there, I often hear “Amis” under people’s breath. It’s pretty much on par with calling them “krauts” or when you hear us referred to as “Yankees”. Slightly defaming with some local connotations associated with it.

Posted by pjwarez  on  09/06/2005  at  02:40 PM (Link to this comment | )

OREO

Isn’t this like automatically binding white americans to their slave owning forebearers?

Are you suggesting people like Jesse Jack-ass Jackson and Al Pin-Head Sharpton don’t do that??

Posted by Stone Jackal  on  09/06/2005  at  03:43 PM (Link to this comment | )

Sometimes it’s easy to be disappointed in the fact that Germany surrendered before we could use the A-bomb on them.

At least then we might be able to chalk this guy’s condition up to fetal radition exposure.

Posted by Boiler Bro Joe  on  09/06/2005  at  08:56 PM (Link to this comment | )

Are you suggesting people like Jesse Jack-ass Jackson and Al Pin-Head Sharpton don’t do that??

And that’s okay??  You white hater you, get out of my country!

Posted by Whoa Bundy  on  09/06/2005  at  09:04 PM (Link to this comment | )

Then they would give him a few lessons in how not to be a propaganda believing tool…

I’d settle for someone giving him a few lessons on how to turn off his Caps Lock…

Posted by Pax Americana  on  09/06/2005  at  09:05 PM (Link to this comment | )

Amis is German slang for American (just like Ivan for Russian and Tommy for British).  I know it was used as far back as WWII.

Posted by crichton  on  09/06/2005  at  09:34 PM (Link to this comment | )

It is funny, especially considering that Germany (along with other parts of Europe) has shown an increase in neo-nazism, yet we don’t read about it here.  I think just this last march more than 5000 rallied in Dresden.

What’s really ironic is that in an effort to further the spread of democracy, the German guvment has voted to curb neo-nazi rallies throughout their country.  I’m not in favor of nazism, but doesn’t it seem odd that neo-nazi’s are being suppressed by guvment edict?  It just isn’t quite synching up for me.  Here’s some interesting reading:

http://www.buzzle.com/editorials/2-10-2005-65579.asp

And it’s funny that the left in this country accuse righty of wanting to prosecute mindcrimes, but you don’t read of this stuff happening here:

http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,1564,1516467,00.html

Posted by Pegger  on  09/07/2005  at  01:09 AM (Link to this comment | )

BUT BUSH HAVE TO MUTCH POWER LIKE ADOLF HITLER. OUR ARE THE SAME LIKE A nazi

I’m trying to decide if he’s whoefully ignorant of German history, American government and politics, or both.  I’m willing the guess both.

I’m with the guy doing the morning show on KABC radio out here.  Hitler has been the political coin of the realm for far too long.  Can we save analogies to Hitler strictly to Hitler himself, or people at least somewhere in the range of that kind of profound evil?  Bush is no more Hitler than Clinton was Joe Stalin.  To make such ridiculous claims only cheapens real evil.  The honest-to-God sociopathic kind of evil that history has too often put in powerful places.

No wonder people have so much trouble seeing it these days.  Some guy wages war on Iran for a decade, invaded an oil rich nation for greed, and slaughters his fellow countrymen of different ethnicity by the hundreds of thousands… but Bush is the one like Hitler.  Whether or not you’re in favor of our invasion of Iraq, this is a rediculous statement to anyone who knows even a modest amount about either guy. 

If Hitler’s legacy continues to be cheapened in such a fashion, it will only minimize the lessons to be learned from it.

Posted by Pegger  on  09/07/2005  at  01:16 AM (Link to this comment | )

It’s pretty much on par with calling them “krauts” or when you hear us referred to as “Yankees”.

I tend to embrace being called a “Yankee”, even if not meant kindly.  I’m a Yankee alright, and damn proud.

Posted by oreo  on  09/07/2005  at  06:51 AM (Link to this comment | )

Are you suggesting people like Jesse Jack-ass Jackson and Al Pin-Head Sharpton don’t do that??

No, I’m saying that just because they practice that kind of crap doesn’t mean everybody else should.

By the way-I think my post got deleted. I don’t really care, I just want to make sure I didn’t violate some kind of rule or something.

Posted by oreo  on  09/07/2005  at  06:56 AM (Link to this comment | )

Oreo - It’s like a Russian calling someone a commie; or better yet, a French person calling someone a pussy. rasberry

It’s just ironic.

Wow, you managed to grossly misrepresent two countries and use the word “pussy” in one sentence. Are you proud of yourself? You see, I came from a family that encouraged me to adopt certain sets of “values.” One of these “family values” was to not stereotype, or use foul language in place of weighted arguments. Gee whiz, maybe someday we’ll have an administration that will herald a return to these so-called “family values.”

Posted by Lowbacca  on  09/07/2005  at  07:28 AM (Link to this comment | )

That wasn’t strong language in place of an arguement. It would be strong language in place of an arguement if he had called YOU that rather than address your point.

The point isn’t that the stereotype is true, but that it is IRONIC that they are making an allegation that they would, stereotypically, be assosciated with.

Much like how it could be IRONIC for an Irish person to talk about how any amount of drinking is bad. Its not saying that all Irish people drink, just that the comment has elements of irony because the irish are often associated with heavy drinking themselves.

Posted by oreo  on  09/07/2005  at  03:10 PM (Link to this comment | )

Hmmm. For some reason, I don’t think refering to anybody as a “pussy,” whether it be me or the french is really that admirable-god, I just can’t escape those family values.

But then again, maybe generalizations are okay. I mean, it’s like a white guy calling someone a slave owner or a black guy calling someone a theif. Doesn’t that sound a little mean to you? As I said-we should be here to elevate the discourse.

Posted by ronnie  on  09/07/2005  at  03:17 PM (Link to this comment | )

Hmmm. For some reason, I don’t think refering to anybody as a “pussy,” whether it be me or the french is really that admirable-god, I just can’t escape those family values.

But then again, maybe generalizations are okay. I mean, it’s like a white guy calling someone a slave owner or a black guy calling someone a theif. Doesn’t that sound a little mean to you? As I said-we should be here to elevate the discourse.

Do you actually have anything to say?  So far, your discourse hasn’t been particularly elevated.  You must have something more profound to contribute than an analysis of Lee’s response to being called a Nazi.  Did you hear about the hurricane?

Posted by Abjective_Observer  on  09/07/2005  at  03:26 PM (Link to this comment | )

Irony does not imply or endorse prejudice (just ask Shakesspeare). It does apply in this case because Nazism rose out of Germany, and is colloquially and historically equated.

Oreo, you should understand what irony is.

I will say that it is not saying “gee whiz” and following it up with a tepid attempt at pointing out what you consider is hypocrisy.

Posted by oreo  on  09/07/2005  at  05:01 PM (Link to this comment | )

Do you actually have anything to say?  So far, your discourse hasn’t been particularly elevated.  You must have something more profound to contribute than an analysis of Lee’s response to being called a Nazi.  Did you hear about the hurricane?

Yeah, I heard about the hurricane. Monday night I heard about it and thought, man that’s terrible. Tuesday morning I was griefstricken. Wednsday morning my grief was mixed with a sense of frustration. Of course, nobody expected just how bad this thing would be before the fact. But, there was some people who apparently still didn’t understand after the fact.

Posted by ronnie  on  09/07/2005  at  05:08 PM (Link to this comment | )

Yeah, I heard about the hurricane. Monday night I heard about it and thought, man that’s terrible. Tuesday morning I was griefstricken. Wednsday morning my grief was mixed with a sense of frustration. Of course, nobody expected just how bad this thing would be before the fact. But, there was some people who apparently still didn’t understand after the fact.

Was that supposed to elevate the discourse?

Posted by sl0re  on  09/07/2005  at  06:14 PM (Link to this comment | )

Hmm, a hateful German looking down on people of other groups (Amis) due to crazy conspiracies sold to him by his government leaders and one of their tools Moore. Imagine that…

But we are the ones that don’t think. :)

Posted by oreo  on  09/07/2005  at  10:39 PM (Link to this comment | )

And of course, the German who wrote this-if he is a german, appears to be a blithering idiot. I don’t appreciate being called a derogatory term like “Ami.” I’m also pretty sure that an Iraqi has likely killed an american, and even if one hasn’t-I wouldn’t be too suprised if alot of them wanted to. Yes, even before this war. And as far as this war goes-I so far disagree with most liberals that it’s time to pull out. In fact-I think it’s likely time that we treat it like a real war instead of trying to get by with as little forces as possible. No one expected the insurgency, and so nobody suggested that we go in with a whole a larger ammount of troops. Well--let’s just pretend that’s the case anyways. But now, I firmly subscribe to Colin Powell’s “You break it, you buy it” ideology. Iraq is our puppy now, and we can’t abandon it because it’s getting too big for our apartment. And that’s the real burden that a lack of forsight landed in our laps.

And for the record, I know that Al Gore, just like alot of people, believed there was evidence of weapons of mass destruction as well. He just didn’t think it was prudent to go to war.

Posted by Lowbacca  on  09/08/2005  at  03:47 AM (Link to this comment | )

But then again, maybe generalizations are okay. I mean, it’s like a white guy calling someone a slave owner or a black guy calling someone a theif. Doesn’t that sound a little mean to you? As I said-we should be here to elevate the discourse.

Its not a generalisation. A generalisation would be if someone had SAID that all Russians were communists, for example. That is making a general statement about a group of people.

Posted by quez  on  09/09/2005  at  05:53 PM (Link to this comment | )

This guy was hilarious :)

Posted by Don Miguel  on  09/09/2005  at  09:39 PM (Link to this comment | )

ami comes from French (for friend) and is used by German-speakers (Germany, Austria, Switzerland) for Americans.  It is currently used in a derogatory way much more than it was years ago.  I determine the meaning by who is using it and in what context.  It’s sort of like gringo.  In Mexico, you can usually count on it as being an insult.  However, in certain South American countries, it’s just a word for Americans (and often Canadians and Europeans) without much significance (sort of like an American calling a South American a Latino).

Of course, in this case, the meaning is pretty clear.

The appropriate retort in German for this “gentleman” would be arshloch.

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