well, its hardly hatefull, maybe a little dumb though

I think it’s odd that some people gleefully predict bad things to happen because it proves them right. The British army, as far as I can tell, has done a magnificent job in Iraq. I wonder if Marcsterchief would be happy if the absence of the British army left some innocent Iraqi people vulnerable to attack, so that he could then point at the United States and say “see, we were RIGHT. Children are dying and it’s all your fault, because Bush lied. Ha, ha ha, Lee! I bet you care what the world thinks NOW.”

There is a necessity for a military presence in Iraq beyond what the Iraqi people are currently able to provide. If we leave, the country becomes the new breeding pond for those ugly little explosives-toting mosquitoes. Doesn’t it make more sense to focus on solving the problem than it does to make sure your side is “right”?

To be fair, he could just be into cooking and such.

Lee,

Perhaps you’d like to regale us with your war record?

To be fair, he could just be into cooking and such.

its chief, not chef

Perhaps you’d like to regale us with your war record?

United States Navy, 1988-1992.  That was during the Gulf War.  Unfortunately the thing was over so quickly I didn’t get a chance to be deployed there.

Lee, I don’t think you’re supposed to answer that...its rhetorical....like asking “Who other than Bush’s administraition actually thought Saddam was a threat?”

You know I often play Madden or NHL and I have no aspirations to play professional sports for a career. I play World of Warcraft and I don’t really want to be a gnome. Video games are fantasy and good stress relief but have absolutely nothing to do with supporting or wanting to participate in the US occupation of Iraq.

I think I might go play some Katamari Damacy… and just to be clear I have no interest in being a giant ball of stuff. I guess I don’t have the stomach for it.

One other point: notice the name on the email address, “marcsterchief.” I’m willing to bet that the author of this email is named Marc, and he loves playing the violent video game Halo, the main character in which is named Master Chief.  So here we have just the latest example of some anti-war fruitcake who loves to “play” war, yet doesn’t actually have the stomach for taking part in one.

Oh so typical.

Yeah, and stephen king likes to “write\” about people getting killed by monsters, but he wouldn’t have the stomach to actually be killed by a monster.

You see, he doesn’t mind playing war because when you pretend, people don’t actually die and the only conscequences are perhaps some hurt feelings. But, when you actually go to war-people die and things get destroyed. So, I would say that it probably is typical of most people to rather “play” war than actually go to war. You see, some of us understand that there is a huge difference between the two.

I would say that a really sick thing to do would be to heavily advocate a war (such as vietnam) and not really have the stomach to participate in that war (such as you know who).

United States Navy, 1988-1992.  That was during the Gulf War.  Unfortunately the thing was over so quickly I didn’t get a chance to be deployed there.

Oh, and by the way. I actually think it’s fortunate that the gulf war did end quickly. Especially for you since that meant you didn’t have to go to the gulf war. Reflexively, I hope that this war ends (and I mean really ends, not just a last minute pull out) as quickly as possible. Thus, preventing more people from going to war.  You see, even in a justified war such as WWII, the bad times usually outweigh the good. That’s why we thank our vetrans for doing what they did. Not because it was something fun they did, but because on a scale of 1 to 10, ten being shitty and 1 being hell itself; I imagine war ranks somewhere in the negatives.

That’s it, our future is f***ed. It would seem this president wants to tell the rest of the world that they will pull the big gun on anyone they consider a threat to them, without need for justification other than a ‘perceived threat’, so fall in line or else.

I’m now pretty certain we should look forward to a few nuclear holocausts and an arms race against an unseen enemy, who we know nothing about, how many there are or where they are… only that they exist and thats enough to dream up the worst nightmares…

WMD threat could spark American nuclear strike

WMD threat could spark American nuclear strike

Well, even as a liberal I’m not quite sure how I feel about this article. For one, I’m not to up to date on it’s veracity. I have no reason to really debate it; but it has that kind of “the news that you’ll get no-where else but here” feel to it. That aside though, we may be re-entering another era of prolification just as we did with russia. But; the enemy has kind of changed. If this is the way we’re dealing with a country like N. Korea-prolification may not be that bad of a thing because N. Korea has too much to lose nationally for instigating such an attack. So what you have are two countries that are so hard wired into M.A.D. that they both know it’s lights out for everyone should either one attack. I guess i do somewhat subscribe to Nobel’s theory of weapons so terrible nobody wants to know them. On the other hand, this isn’t a good way to fight terrorists. Most countries that support terrorism are “rouge” basically meaning; they’re just not as intertwined with the rest of the world to be held to political accountability. Also, in the eighties we had Reagan, he was no aberham licoln, but he at least had a mind for dealing with these kinds of things. Now we have a man who will frivously use words like “crusade” when dealing with extremist religious factions. An administration that didn’t even speculate and thus self admittedly didn’t anticipate insurgents in a battle they said was against an enemy that funded terrorist combatants from around the world. This nation is going through a resurgence of christian fundamentalism like it has never seen quite before. Do you know what Pat Robertson, a vastly powerful person in the christian community, just got in trouble for? Calling for the assasination of a forign leader. That’s serious bussiness. Now, I am glad to say that the white house condemned his views. But if this is our mentality, is prolification, regardless of our enemy, a good thing? What if this statement really does reflect a majority of americans’ view on war....

, and he loves playing the violent video game Halo, the main character in which is named Master Chief.  So here we have just the latest example of some anti-war fruitcake who loves to “play” war, yet doesn’t actually have the stomach for taking part in one.

Do you realize what a vile view it is that someone would condem another person for seperating real war and play war? That really does scare me. I mean-if this does reflect how we treat war, well, if another september 11 type attack happens (and god forbid it does) a retaliation based on such a disgusting mindset will in no way rectify the situation. Make no mistake-afghanistan was a nessisary action. But what if this kind of crap dictates our next reaction?
It’s the classic creedo-guns don’t kill people, people kill people.

WMD threat could spark American nuclear strike

This sounds like something made so that other countries (iran) know that we will wipe them out.

It probably will never happen though. No one in the political party of the bomb dropper would be elected for the next 50 years.

I would say that a really sick thing to do would be to heavily advocate a war (such as vietnam) and not really have the stomach to participate in that war (such as you know who).

I wasn’t alive for that…

Anywho, I’m sure you’re talking about ‘W,’ and I ask you… how does someone with no political office heavily advocate a war?

That’s it, our future is f***ed. It would seem this president wants to tell the rest of the world that they will pull the big gun on anyone they consider a threat to them, without need for justification other than a ‘perceived threat’, so fall in line or else.

You act like the United States just launches attacks for absolutely no reason, like Canada or Switzerland might be the next unwitting victim of our evil foreign policy that crushes innocent nations where nuclear reactors are used to power kites and al qaeda training camps teach young boys how to earn their checkers merit badges.  It would seem you are grossly exaggerating things to make a stupid point.

I’m now pretty certain we should look forward to a few nuclear holocausts and an arms race against an unseen enemy, who we know nothing about, how many there are or where they are… only that they exist and thats enough to dream up the worst nightmares…

And to think they accuse Bush of manufacturing a WMD threat.  I’ll bet they even want to take action against this imaginary threat.  Fucking hypocrites.

I would say that a really sick thing to do would be to heavily advocate a war (such as vietnam) and not really have the stomach to participate in that war (such as you know who).

I’m pretty sure you weren’t old enough to remember Vietnam.  If you were, you would know that those in favor of the war were not the same people who didn’t have the stomach to participate.  The same applies to Iraq today.

Yeah, and stephen king likes to “write” about people getting killed by monsters, but he wouldn’t have the stomach to actually be killed by a monster.

That’s kind of a strange analogy.  I believe the appropriate question to answer is ... if a monster attacks Chicago, should we get Stephen King’s advice on how to deal with it?  That should give you an appropriate analogy to work with.

Once again, our liberal friends miss the point…

You know I often play Madden or NHL and I have no aspirations to play professional sports for a career. I play World of Warcraft and I don’t really want to be a gnome. Video games are fantasy and good stress relief but have absolutely nothing to do with supporting or wanting to participate in the US occupation of Iraq.

I think I might go play some Katamari Damacy… and just to be clear I have no interest in being a giant ball of stuff. I guess I don’t have the stomach for it.

If you find that war is NEVER the answer… If you fasion yourself a pacifist… If you think that military action is only justified as a response to a direct attack on the U.S., why would you want to play in a fantasy world that goes against all that you believe in?  THAT is what makes liberals like marcsterchief hypocrytes.  If you partake in fantasy that runs opposite of your beliefs, then you are the hypocrite.  So go ahead and play your Madden, ninjasaremammals, so long as you don’t have a problem with the real NFL.  But if I ever catch you boycotting a Bears game, we’ll have words.  K?

Sir Not Appearing In This Film

This is Marcster chief here, I can’t believe they put that email on the site! My human rights have been breached!

My human rights have been breached!

You are kidding right?

Instead of writing a ghey email why didn’t you just post here in the first place?

This is Marcster chief here, I can’t believe they put that email on the site! My human rights have been breached!

Talk about out of touch with reality.  The kid actually thinks he owns the rights to the e-mail in Lee’s inbox.

My human rights have been breached!

Human rights entail what? Does it cover email?

Marcsterchief,

Did you inherit your intellect or did you have to work on it?

Evan

Hahaha,Marc you’re an idiot.

’Tis better to keep one’s mouth shut, and be thought an idiot, than to open it and erase all doubt.

That’s actually an interesting point.  I find it funny that many college kids on my campus that play halo and warcraft feel that war is never the answer or worse, that people shouldn’t be allowed to carry firearms to defend themselves.  What reassuring methodology.  Especially when the underlying theme of many of those games, or oftentimes encountered in life, is a struggle between good versus evil and that evil can only be defeated through force. 

Not to get too side-tracked but it’s a bit like the Star Wars Episode III with all the anti-war messages in it which was nonsensical.  HELLO, George Lucas!!  You just made 6 movies that proved that war is one of the strongest methods to vanquish evil.  Moore-on!

Playing Halo or any other violent videogame that involves war doesn’t really have anything to do with your personal view on the Iraq war, or any other conflict.  I play Grand Theft Auto, but I don’t find carjacking and murder acceptable.  Some things just have no bearing on personal politics.

Playing Halo or any other violent videogame that involves war doesn’t really have anything to do with your personal view on the Iraq war, or any other conflict.  I play Grand Theft Auto, but I don’t find carjacking and murder acceptable.  Some things just have no bearing on personal politics.

I’m not sure, because I haven’t actually played a video game since I was about 14, but if you choose to call yourself by the name of a character in a video game, you might want to examine why you idolize that character so much.  Playing a game is one thing.  Pretending you’re one of the people in the game is just weird.

Ronnie, for christs sake It’s only a screen name, I don’t go around pretending i’m a video game character, And that human rights thing i said earlier was only supposed to be a joke, Y’know like an ironic satire of the ACLU etc.

You know I often play Madden or NHL and I have no aspirations to play professional sports for a career. I play World of Warcraft and I don’t really want to be a gnome. Video games are fantasy and good stress relief but have absolutely nothing to do with supporting or wanting to participate in the US occupation of Iraq.

I think I might go play some Katamari Damacy… and just to be clear I have no interest in being a giant ball of stuff. I guess I don’t have the stomach for it.

Alright, I’ve read this message again and again and again-to find out just where it makes the point that war is never the answer. I couldn’t find anything of the sort so I read the first message again and again.
Now, I did find alot that indicated that the Iraq war was not the answer. However, nothing was said about any other war. Yet, here is the offered rebutall:

If you find that war is NEVER the answer… If you fasion yourself a pacifist… If you think that military action is only justified as a response to a direct attack on the U.S., why would you want to play in a fantasy world that goes against all that you believe in?  THAT is what makes liberals like marcsterchief hypocrytes.  If you partake in fantasy that runs opposite of your beliefs, then you are the hypocrite.

Hmmm.....are we all on the same page here?
I think I know what’s going on. You see, the Iraq war has been constantly compared to every war in which we came out on top. Most notably, world war II. I think that supporters of this war are actually begining to confuse it with all others. If you criticise the Iraq war, you must be criticising operation enduring freedom, desert storm, and World War II.

Also, I find calling somebody a hypocrite because the engage in a “pretend” activity but not the “real” activity. Was Robert Bloch a hypocryte because he wrote a book about a psycho, yet wouldn’t take part in an actual murder? It scares me that there are people who think that fantasy and reality are the same thing.

Let’s get back to the Iraq situation. While I suscribe to the fact that Colin Powell may have been right when he said if you break it you own it and the Iraq situation is difficult and is going to take time I have seriously questioned how we are going to get out of there. While regardless of whether you support it or not we just can’t leave. So what can we do?  There is no question in my mind that it is a bit of a mess I unlike the Bush bashers just want a strategy,from someone who knows, how we can get out but still win in the shortest possible time.  No way are we allowed to pull another Vietnam and pull out and leave these people stranded. But how? No pullouts now courtesy of the Cindy Sheehan ignoramus crowd, thank you very much.

We need to honor our Casey Sheehan’s the British that helped and fell without cutting and running.  Who has a plan?

Ronnie, for christs sake It’s only a screen name, I don’t go around pretending i’m a video game character, And that human rights thing i said earlier was only supposed to be a joke, Y’know like an ironic satire of the ACLU etc.

Ok, Chief Sir.

Anywho, I’m sure you’re talking about ‘W,’ and I ask you… how does someone with no political office heavily advocate a war?

ad·vo·cate ( P ) Pronunciation Key (dv-kt)
tr.v. ad·vo·cat·ed, ad·vo·cat·ing, ad·vo·cates
To speak, plead, or argue in favor of. See Synonyms at support

Do you have to have a political office to support a war?
And also…

I’m pretty sure you weren’t old enough to remember Vietnam.  If you were, you would know that those in favor of the war were not the same people who didn’t have the stomach to participate.  The same applies to Iraq today.

No, I don’t remember the vietnam war first hand.

rec·ord (rkrd)

An account, as of information or facts, set down especially in writing as a means of preserving knowledge.

2. While many people didn’t want to go to vietnam because they didn’t believe in it-they still had to. Others who did support the war still escaped forign deployment; thus they supported other people fighting in vietnam.

And even if there is a draft-over my dead body will I go and fight in this war. There are more than enough of you who support it with your every thought word and deed.

I think we need to outfit and train assination squads that will go into towns and infiltrate the terrorist er, insurgents and root them out from the inside. Hit and run guerilla squads because it is obvious regular military attacks aren’t getting the job doen.  Special Ops squads that can go in and kill these bastards.  Quick reponse teams and get our regular army on the way out.

And even if there is a draft-over my dead body will I go and fight in this war. There are more than enough of you who support it with your every thought word and deed.

I’m not paying any portion of my taxes that go to welfare. There are more than enough of you who support it.
Though its not like the draft is terribly likly.

I’m going to say that I think the whole screename issue is not that big of a deal. For those of us that have been been on the net and on online games so much, having a net handle thats just something that seems cool to us rather than something we embody is much more the norm. Example being that my nickname doesn’t mean that I think star wars is real, or that I think I’m a wookiee trapped in a human’s body. It means I think the idea of a wookiee with a lightsabre is cool.

I’m not saying this to defend the arguement he puts forward...I still disagree witht that. I just think that the significance of the email address is not nearly as much as its being treated as.

Ronnie, Your mocking me aren’t you?

My what?

Sorry,
Just like the moonbats a REAL exit strategy about getting out of this tar-baby is too difficult too propose or invent for this post. Oh well let’s get at the more manageable screen name argument.

He asks one question, then answers it with something that has nothing to do with the first.

Attemtping to turn off bold.

Got it, sorry ‘bout that. =O)

Do you have to have a political office to support a war?

Generally that’s referred to as “enlisting” or becoming an “officer” in the military. That, or if unable to, supporting politically those who are there.

That’s quite a stretch.  Playing video games and actually fighting a war are two totally different things.  To suggest that one can’t play violent video games and still be against the killing of real living human beings is just plain retarded.

That’s right. I mean hell just because we have pacman doesn’t mean we should go run around in the dark listening to electronica popping “magical pills” oh wait.. damn, that’s a rave isn’t it? Rediculous point maybe.

Since I’m a hardcore gamer, I actually have some experience and right to talk about this issue :) Hey imagine that.

No, video games don’t equal war. But explain something, why are the most popular video games based on.. World War 2.. Current military operations.. or just military in general? Could it be that gamers have this obsession with the military? With the equipment used, with what went on, even though all historical and current events that went on and then were recaptured in said video game.

No, it is a bit hypocritical to play these games, to obsess over them and then to say that war is bad, war is evil. These games glorify it, in all it’s forms. From World War 1, all the way up through to modern day combat.

And for the record, I whole heartedly support the war, and I will kick your ass at Rise of Nations :)

Make no mistake-afghanistan was a nessisary action.

Oreo, in your own opinion, Why?

Everyone is equating military service as support of military action, but while our brave service men and women fight for freedom (both our own and that of the Iraqi people) others must stay behind perserving that way of life by living it.  Imagine the impracticality of everyone who saw the war in Iraq as justifide joining the military.  Even if the armed forces could support such an influx initially, consider the degredation of life in America.  Every college in the US would lose 2 of their best professors.  Whole sections of industries would vacate their jobs, leaving the American economy in shreds.

There are ways other than military service to support justifide war.  And most of them involve living life pretty much as usual.  Each of us is called to behave according to our own abilities and loyalties.  For me, supporting military action in defense of this country means going to school, to learn and become a better citizen so I can keep America running in the years to come.  And it involves trying to educate all the liberals on my college campus.  I have friends serving in Iraq right now, whom I thank every time I send them an email.

Military service is not for everyone, but that doesn’t mean that everyone cannot contribute.  This subsistence of American depends dually on our freedom fighters, and our daily livers.

Make no mistake-afghanistan was a nessisary action.

Well, according to what I understood, the taliban seemed to be a puppet for al-quade or perhaps even the other way around. They had admitted to having Bin Laden in their country, but refused to hand him over. Eventually-they said that they would hand him over, but only to a nuetral nation. Well, I think it would have been very hard to find a nuetral nation in this situation and there was quite a bit of evidence to support that Bin laden at least in part lead the terrorist strike against america. Also, Bin laden was known to be behind the cole bombing, the bombing of (I believe) the u.s. embassy in africa, and the first world trade center bombing. I of course do not support the invasion as an act or retaliation, but an act to dislodge a terrorist strong hold. Also, there were quite a few other serious threats that the clinton administration had prevented; such as the licoln tunnel bombing. Yes, it is unfortunate that the bush administration did not heed the seriousness of terrorist action during the changing of the guard. had they adopted bills that had been handed down to them; september 11 may have been prevented and perhaps the invasion of afghanistan as well. Now this is not to say that I agree with everything that has happened in afghanistan or gitmo bay since.
And of course, since it was admitted that there were no evidence of connections between Iraq and the al quade network (well, not until after we invaded them), I reflexively disagree with the iraq invasion.

Of course, I wished that things could have been handled diplomaticaly in afghanistan.

After reading the last line of my previous message I thought I should clarify.
I wish that the taliban government would have allowed a diplomatic solution in afghanistan.