I said it before and I’ll say it again:

Wow...PNAC.  We’ve never heard of that conspiracy before. :roll:

I’ll just be the reasonable here for one post.  Apparently she didn’t take the time to go to the link in the top right hand corner that says “START HERE!”

She should also go back to when Cindy Sheehan started getting national attention to see the way you guys discussed with some level of respect, before she opened her mouth about her opinion being more important than that of other mother’s who lost sons and daughters in the war.

She should also go back to when F911 was actually released in theaters to se how it was debunked and disproven.

Of course I doubt if she has the ability to do so, or the willingness to put her money where her mouth is about actually exploring this site.

Jeez, I guess whoever this person is doesn’t realize we, as human beings need sleep, and will not be online 24/7 to belt out a response to her as soon as she asks something of us.

Cary,

Congratulations!  Your post made me so angry, I finally signed up to post comments on this site.  While everything you wrote can be easily debated, I’d like to focus on one thing:

Luckily, my daughters are well educated and don’t need to go to war just to make a living and to support their familes.

Please tell me you didn’t mean it the way it sounds.  Because it seems as if you are saying “People only join the military because they are uneducated and can’t make an honest living any other way.” Is that what you meant?

I am an officer in the US Air Force.  And as for being “well educated”?  I was valedictorian of my high school, I graduated from the US Air Force Academy and have since gotten a Master’s Degree.  I’m also a member of Mensa.  I don’t think I am anything special, however; I work with intelligent, well educated people, from the lowest enlisted rank to the highest officer rank.  And I would trust my life to any of them.

I patrolled the no-fly zones in Iraq in 2001 and got shot at by bullets and missiles.  You want to know who I trusted my life to?  The “uneducated” airman who inspected my ejection seat.  The “uneducated” sergeant who repaired the engines in my jet.  My “uneducated” wingman.  All of these “uneducated” military people.

There’s one more thing I want to get off my chest.  I haven’t been to Iraq this time, not because I don’t want to or because I’m “scared”, but because the military has other plans for me.  You see, people don’t “sign up” to go to Iraq.  They “sign up” to join the military (all of their own free will, I might add), and the military decides where they will go - and then they go do their job.  And this insane liberal mantra of “If you support the war, you better go sign your kids up for the Army so they can go to Iraq!” is, quite frankly, crap.  It’s not like this is a T-ball team and the “kids” in question are in 3rd grade.  These “kids” are old enough to think for themselves, and thus, sign themselves up.  The idea that an 18-year old adult is going to join the Army simply because his parents support the war is ludicrous.

Ma’am, if you have an ounce of courage, you’ll retract at least that line.

Oh, and can I spam you once every hour if you don’t reply right away?

"Look at me! I’m an attention whore!”

-Carey

Guys, this fucking nutbag has been emailing me all night.  Over 30 emails now, and it’s devolved into literally crazy-speak.  First it pretended to be a different person:

From: Sally Cromarty <[email protected]>Mailed-By: hotmail.com
To: jimk
Cc: lee
Date: Feb 15, 2006 4:00 AM
Subject: About what you said about Cary

I saw and read what you said about Cary. Cary is a dear friend of mine. I
find your behavior very bad. When Cary says to me all you do is get mad. she
was right.You are very mean and very much a bad part of this place that we
are all living in.
She is right, and Michael Moore is right. Shame on You! Shame on you!

When I called it out on the same Originating IP, the real crazy started, and remember, these are coming from two different Hotmail accounts:

I’m so sorry sir. I don’t know what to say. I am told i am a very crazy
person. My doctor told me that I was very similar to the american presents
ot gits, or was it a king im sorry i dont’ know , she said that he and I had
the same things, she said that it was DIDSSI somethiing like delusional
identidy does some stuff i don’t like, i can’t remember. im sorry to bother
you. i will go to sleep now. let’s talk in the morning though. you sound
cute.

Im so sorry, you are right, i am a very disturbed person. when the doctor
told me i had both a wingy dingy and a holey poley i said “what?” what does
that mean? i dont understand. then he said.... uh. he talked about bees and
stuff. and then i just started counting my toes. if you ever want to help me
count my toes, that would be very fun and stuff.

i am so sorry if i didn’t mail a snedthat was a cake of fun. i will not du
the fun send cake no more. i a asjfjg wil hoe fjds

i like time, i no schkeduuule. i also like tirparades.

Moore fans.  What a bunch.  At least this is better than the death threat last week.

WOW, Tis why I stop by every day.

Did i not say that the best thing with living in Sweden was to not have to deal with this left wing nut cases?

:)

Jävla kärringjävel :)

Wait wait, she cowers behind multiple identities and acts like she’s crazy so she won’t be cought in the act and she calls YOU a coward? What an idiot! I don’t care how old she is but never in my 16 years on earth (thats right I’m only 16) I haven’t seen anyone with such a closed mind who would take everything they hear pushing a political agenda with twisted facts taken out of context as factual. It can only be an immature teenager who listens to their parents idea’s of politics a little to much they decide to become some hero militiaman by attempting to dupe a person older and more educated in the muck that is politics by posting what he perseives to be “New information” that was debunked almost half a decade ago or a senile old lady that wants to contend with todays politics. She also mentioned your supposed “Message of hate” that could only “come from the right” My father was in vietnam in communications in the navy, never once did he fight on the front lines, and when he came home the liberal left called him a murderer and it was hard for him to even find a job that he was overqualified for. My friends father was in Iraq and when he got back the same thing happened. As far as I’m concerned, this sort of biased “Message of hate” only comes from extremists (on both sides) and hippies/ super liberal “Myrters” (who obviously don’t know the definition of myrter)

But honestly,this left wings,they harass people,they threat people, the follow you and is full of lies,and then we hear this fucking “idiotjäveln” talking about all the hate this site is spreading,how about MM’s movies?
That is based on lies?
That also create anti bush,and anti america products,like his books/movies.
How about media constantly is against this gov,or that all celebs and media make comes with their left propaganda.

I love how celeb talk about politians,yeah...most of them worked at places like starbucks before they got movie stars and now ofc they know all things and all the solutions to the world problems.

My uncle who was mayor of stockholm and was in the social gov,yes social...sigh :P but anyway,atleast he studied for over 16 year into politics,and not like these celebs and idiots like MM who reads a Left-winged newspaper and say whatever they read like its their own opionion,or idea.

fuck them all!

Länge leve tengil,and GWB!

Exactly! Its these un-educated stars and unconfirmed
“facts” that sway people because they are already pre-dispositioned and so they hear what they want to hear as fact, not opinion, and they do not take small minute details which could debunk the said “facts” as serious because in their mind their side is never wrong (because thats what they believe. Its hard to change one’s beliefs even if their are proofs against it and especially if someone else agrees.

I like how she calls Moorewatch a “magnet for hate,” when Moore’s films are all about hate mongering.  You know, cuz every single one of them is about, “here’s this guy: he’s bad.”

Oh, and I love how she keeps harrassing you almost as if she’s under the impression that she’s the only person who has ever dared challenge you.  Ha ha ha.

Lady, if you’re really this open-minded free thinker, then go to www.mooreexposed.com.  It devistates everything Mikey has ever put in one of his movies.  But I’m sure you and all your left-wing friends just prefer to pretend we live in the world of villains that the hate-mongering Moore creates with his movies.

Well, we had Sheeple, and then we had icsheepeople. I thought they were one and the same due to syntax, gramer and general style, although I really didn’t have a big enough sample be come to any definitive conclusion. Now we have Cary. I have a feeling they are one and the same. Jim, have you checked the IP for these people?

Aw c’mon Cary. You hammer Lee and JimK with bunches of e-mail. They posted your stuff. And now you’re gone? WTF?

I challenge you to post this on your site in response to the last bit of harassment when you were notified of it. I sincerely bet you don’t. Cowards.

Who is a coward now?

Should someone tell her she is over 2 years behind the curve?

I say F911 twice when it came out. Why because, I wanted to see how “evil” George Bush was. I saw it twice becasue the first time I didn’t think he could stack crap that high, so I saw it again to confirm, that in fact he did stack crap that high.

Now since it has been on cable, I watched it yet again (it was much more difficult this time since doind research on it). The first times I saw it, I said it’s crap and whoever falls for it is a moron (i.e. Cary). Now I think it is closer to treason or at minimum aiding and abetting the enemy considering the flat out misleading commentary.

I don’t know who I dislike more, Moore, or the dumb ass’ who fall for it.

Just like the 59 deciets looked at Moore, I looked at the 59 deciets. I looked up to see if they’re criticism was valid. Not only was it valid, I could have gone beyond their base explanation. That’s why I am leaning towards treason.

Here is a simple exercise, for the PNAC nuts. First don’t you think they should take the “New Pearl Harbor” stuff off their website? Or are the evil, dumb supergenious’? Second, if they allowed 9/11 to happen so they could go into Iraq, why not put some Iraqi’s on the planes on 9/11? If it was about oil, and Saudi’s were involved why not go into Saudi, they have MORE oil.

Even Penn & Teller know it’s BS (yes that’s a plug, good show). They came up with a simple conclusion, if Nixon couldn’t hide Watergate, how come Bush can hide this? I will take it a step further, if Clinton couldn’t hide a BJ, how can Bush hide this?

Think about it, especialy people like you Cary, I seriously think that BDS is real now.

if you ever want to help me count my toes, that would be very fun and stuff.

What a great line, do you mind if I use it? (Of course, if it leads to my arrest, I’ll be calling you for bail.)

OK, first off Moorewatchers, my time is short and my Rheumatoid Arthritis is kicking up today (my knees… ah…). PLEASE get the links for some of these things. The rest is in the Moorewatch archive.

I might be an old lady, but I will kick your butt at this debate. I am retired and I will sit here and combat any line you give me. Mr. Stewart Hart is the only one I see as having an ounce of headway with this debate. So Mr. Hart, are you ready? I’’ love to read your personal feedback on this, as you kids say, bitch!:

Jeez… I haven’t been called out/personally attacked like this since I got into it on the Moorewatch forums over God. I mean, what am I, the unofficial 4th Moorewatch commentator or something? And right off the rip I’m getting called names.

Well, lemme just go through this, point by point. You’ve made a lot of statements, a lot of claims Cary. This may take a few posts, so bear with me, everyone.

1. First, no one is trying to shut you up or hide this stuff Cary. The reason for that is that every time someone comes out and says/does the things you have done through a Moore motivation, the more people renounce Moore and his ways.

Just in my few months of reading and posting here I’ve seen the effect Moorewatch has had. Yes, it’s important that Lee et. al. post the news so we can see what’s going on. The REAL magic, however comes from folks like you Cary. When you come out and do and say these things, people see what Moore is really about beyond the glitz, spin, and media-ted reality.

And because of that, I have seen straight-up socialist Moore sympathizers denounce and abandon him. I have seen wishy-washy folks finally say ‘to Hell with Moore and the Left’.

So please Cary, keep it up.

* * *

2. Second, with respect ma’am, shame on you! While I know that the attitude in regards to such ‘hatemail’ is acrimonious at best, this is due to the sorts of shenanigans folks pull, like what you have done here. Namely, such things as:

a) repeated emails for the sake of harassment;

b) deception in those emails;

c) <threats> to spam the comments section;

d) failure to take into account that some of us still work and do not have as much freedom with our sleep schedules;

e) baseless charges such as that we are “cowards” that won’t debate you, or that we push “hate”.

Back in my day, people didn’t use emotion-laden tirades or name-calling to push their point (then again, I’m a *Conservative Republican). The ugliness and partisanship over Moore can be traced right back to the Mooreons--those who rely on Moore as a source, parrot his claims, and support his causes.

If we’re acrimonious (not pushing “hate”), it’s because of the sort of nonsense that you and others have done. If people are less than civil, it’s because most of us have no patience for it: civility is wasted on those who have no concept of how to act this way.

Me though, I live for this. Because the more the Mooreonic claims are deconstructed, the more people reject Moore.

* * *

3. Third, let’s address real hatred a second.< BR>

A) I have no children in Iraq for three key reasons: 1, until a few years ago when I accepted Jesus Christ as my personal Lord and savior, my sexual orientation was towards other men [and no, I was not a “bitch”]; 2, I’ve yet to find the right woman; and 3. I’m only 26, and thus would have no full-grown children.

However, my cousin and brother in law (hereon BIL) are in Iraq. They went there to serve their country, which they saw being attacked. They made tremendous sacrifices--especially my sister and BIL. Contrary to your blanket stereotype, they are ‘educated’ and, in my BIL’s case, he took a paycut to join the army. Both my BIL’s kids (my nephew and incoming niece/or/nephew) will, because of the commitment of my cousin and BIL, grow up into a world that is that much safer.

To suggest via your ignorance-based, blanket stereotype that those who love and believe in this country are uneducated and helpless such that the military is their only way to success is an insult to the patriotism and sacrifice of not only our braved men and women in uniform, but to my family as well.

As for being unable to understand the loss, or what Cindy Sheehan calls the SACRIFICE a parent makes, if a child isn’t there, first off--I know it’s been said--but IT’S NOT A PARENT’S SACRIFICE TO MAKE. These men and women are capable of making their own choices. They are NOT lost without their mommies and daddies.

Second, Cary, I have a question for you: Do you have any children who are firefighters? Foreign Aid Workers? Police? EMTs in the inner city? Emergency relief personnel?  If not, under your logic, can you ever truly understand the cost of feeding the hungry across the world? Can you appreciate the cost of fighting fires? Can you appreciate the sacrifice of bringing rapists and other crooks to justice? Of helping the sick?

The fact is, we have specialization in modern society. Everyone contributes in one way or another. We don’t’ stop doing things because we ourselves don’t those things.

Long story short, this is about choice. These are grown up people, with grown up reasons for doing the grown up things they do. You nor any other parent “sacrifices” anything once your child reaches adulthood.

B) Yes, it’d suck to lose a child. Especially if that child, in defiance of your beliefs, died doing something you were against. Regardless of the circumstances, our sentiments and thoughts go to the families of those who sacrifice their lives for us.

That doesn’t give Cindy Sheehan the blank-check for my support, however. It doesn’t mean she can whore her son’s memory--for example, by getting a 2-page spread of her sleeping on his grave--for her political career/agenda, and have my approval. She won’t get my approval when she uses names of other fallen soldiers, AGAINST THOSE FAMILIES WISHES, to push her agenda.

And her loss doesn’t mean my Hebrew/Cherokee mutt self will support her when she makes Anti-Semitic remarks, like when she called the Iraq war a Jewish conspiracy and railed against Bush’s “Jewish Masters”. It doesn’t mean I’ll support her standing with White Supremacists of National Vanguard and Nazi groups in her ditch in Crawford Texas.

The Pogroms my family went through in Prussia (now in Poland after WWI) were nasty enough (my great-granny had a saber mark across her back where a marauding Cossack came over and slapped her down when she was 5). My family that stayed in Europe was slaughtered by the Nazis and later the Stalinist Jew purges. Needless to say (but I will anyway) I am not desirous of that mentality coming back.

In other words, this isn’t “grief” Cary. This is Cindy Sheehan’s hate. She hates the cause her son died for--the love of country her son had. She hates Bush. She hates Jews. And above all, she hates not being on the camera.

So I find it baffling that my lack of support for her and her agenda shocks you, or anyone else.

* * *

4. As for Moorewatch’s practices in dealing with Moore, I need to explain a few things.

A) First, Moore weaves a thick web of deception that uses only SOME FACTS, namely those that support his claims, while ignoring others. He then media-tes reality, and viola!

While Moore, like Rush Limbaugh, is primarily an entertainer, he differs from Limbaugh in that Limbaugh doesn’t represent himself as a news source, but rather an alternative viewpoint to facts. Moore, however, makes “documentaries” based on his views (like F9/11, which he’s said was an op-ed, not a documentary) that ignores facts he doesn’t like.

To combat Moore’s glitz and spin, we have to do a few things:

a) report the facts Moore ignores (like the high level of gun violence in supposedly utopia Canada);

b) dissect Moore’s claims, piece by piece, in light of these omitted facts; and

c) offer our view of these issues in light of Moore’s claims so dissected.

We ARE NOT affiliated with Bush--I don’t even agree with Bush a good deal of the time. But where I disagree, it’s in honesty and on policy. Not spin.

We aren’t rich like Moore or Soros, or well connected like they are. We’re just sick of our values--ESPECIALLY common sense--being attacked by a big-money machine. And we’re regular people SICK of seeing lies and propaganda spewed out and accepted as truth without any balance.

B) You can see this methodology at work when looking at some of Moore’s claims: (these are just a few examples):

i) Claim: Bush stole the election(s); Facts not mentioned by Moore: Election 1-The Florida Supreme Court’s attempt to interfere in the election by demanding a FOURTH RECOUNT was thwarted by the failure of the Democrats to use equal protection (some votes counted one way, some another way at another table, while at a 3rd table the counter was asleep) as well as to adhere to the Constitutional deadlines, and Election 2- well, I live in Ohio and the claims of conspiracy are BS. No machines were tampered with, or any of the other crap he claimed; My View: The Constitution Controls all. Minus some fraud, there’s no basis for this claim.

ii) Claim: Bush’s basis for the Iraq War was all lies and was done to profit Bush; Facts not mentioned by Moore: Cheney nor Bush made a dime off the war, as all ties to the companies were cut prior to assuming office. Multiple agencies across the globe supported the presence of WMDs, and Clinton bought it too such that he bombed Iraq. The oil in Iraq was planned for, and is being used, to help rebuild Iraq. The “conspiracy” ties with the consortium Moore mentions is funny, because Moore’s benefactor--George Soros--has more connections that Bush. Every bi-partisan commission/etc. has found no falsehoods or deception in justifying the Iraq war. Even the “Downing Street Memo” doesn’t support the conspiracy theory of dragging the Coalition into war; My View: Maybe Bush AND Clinton AND the rest of the world were wrong, but there was no deception.

C) Example: iii) Finally, and to go over the thing you asked me if I could refute or not:

PLEASE NOTE THIS PART RIGHT HERE, AND I CHALLENGE YOU DRONES TO PROVE IT WRONG:

In a document two years ago, the Project pondered that what was needed to assure US global power was ‘some catastrophic and catalysing event, like a new Pearl Harbor’. The document had noted that ‘while the unresolved conflict with Iraq provides immediate justification’ for intervention, ‘the need for a substantial American force presence in the Gulf transcends the issue of the regime of Saddam Hussein’.

At a graduation speech to the Military Academy at West Point, Bush last June affirmed the Wolfowitz doctrine as official policy. ‘America has, and intends to keep,’ he said, ‘military strengths beyond challenge.’

You have a lot of facts here, and that cuts through this to the quick. Because, the fact is that none of what you cited above is in any way negative--minus it’s position in Moore’s web.

The Claim by Moore relating to this: The Wolfowitz Doctrine is the blueprint for an American war machine.< BR>

My View: The facts that Bush is committed to American military superiority does not equate to Moore’s implications:

-that the events of 9/11 were planned or encouraged by the Bush administration;

-that the Iraq war was not justified, as the changed facts since 1992 indicated, to the world and then-president Clinton, that WMDs were present in Iraq;

-that the Policy group planned to invade Iraq to advance an agenda of American Superiority, rather than merely discuss probabilities of events on the world stage; AND

-that the Bush administration planned to invade Iraq to advance an agenda of American Superiority;

being true.

As for “I CHALLENGE YOU DRONES TO PROVE IT WRONG”, that’s easy. Bush stating a commitment to American military superiority doesn’t, in itself, equate to an “[affirmation of] the Wolfowitz doctrine as official policy.” It’s bullsh*t on its face, and is ergo wrong. If he’d said, “we’re following Wolfowitz in its entirety, and not just the tenat of military superiority”, well, OK, you’d have me. But he didn’t, and you don’t.

But let’s go one step further. Let’s say it IS official policy, for the sake of argument. Then what? What does it prove? One fact being right doesn’t prove Moore’s ultimate claim. Even a broken clock is right twice a day, and one fact being right doesn’t excuse the omission of other key facts or his bold-faced lies. That Liberals do not like the idea of America as a superpower DOES NOT mean Bush is a criminal.

Since you’re into movies, Cary, why don’t you go and give a flick called “Farenhype 9/11” a look?  Broaden your horizons beyond Moore and the extreme left. GEt some facts in there with the spin.

She did get ONE thing right.  This site isn’t that easy to navigate and find information.  Sure, you have the link in the top LEFT that says start here and has a lot of information.  But where are the forums?  How do you get to them?

I can’t find the link anywhere.

Every post has a link that says “Discuss this in the forums”. It really isn’t rocket science :p

How about that.  I just discovered how to get there!!!!  you click a button on the post that says “discuss in the forums.” A link on the main page as navigation might be in order though.

I wonder if she realizes that her ramblings and fake emails are discrediting her?

But, i guess that is the general tactic of the far left.  Make up a lot of shit until somoen believes something.

i guess what bothers me, is that these people continue to call those of us with any sense, hate mongerers and what not, yet they are the ones who come here, to spew there animosity.  they are the ones who are name-calling, and finger pointing.  yet we are the evil ones. 

well i guess all i can say in that case is “long live the evil empire”!!

Holy Christ, woman! You have GOT to be off your meds. You sound like you should have your own movie: “Ramblings of an old, white, crazy moonbat.”

Posted by Night on 02/15 at 12:07 PM (Link to this comment)

“Every post has a link that says “Discuss this in the forums”. It really isn’t rocket science :p”

I think it still points to the old forums. :)

As for being unable to understand the loss, or what Cindy Sheehan calls the SACRIFICE a parent makes, if a child isn’t there, first off--I know it’s been said--but IT’S NOT A PARENT’S SACRIFICE TO MAKE. These men and women are capable of making their own choices. They are NOT lost without their mommies and daddies.

Sorry, but I gotta call you on that one. You are assuming that the adult children of leftists are as responsible, self-reliant and capable as real Americans.

Cary (and Cindy Sheehan, and Michael Moore, et al.) have no concept that our children are actually capable of making their own decisions and that they aren’t just automatons for us to “send to war” at will. 

American fighting men and women are NOT mamby pamby, metrosexual, can’t cut the umbilical cord pansies.  They are honorable, hard working, capable Warriors.  Leftist have absolutely no understanding of any of those traits.

Cary (and Cindy Sheehan, and Michael Moore, et al.) have no concept that our children are actually capable of making their own decisions and that they aren’t just automatons for us to “send to war” at will.

to expand on this thought (with the risj of going OT… this is precisely the mentality of the liberals that causes them believe that know on should be held accountable.  They never grew up (i.e those stuck in the 60’s), and thus, they expect to get away with the same childish excuses (it wasnt my fault, it was <insert ‘society’, ‘economy’, ‘republicans’, ‘bush’, ‘stress’ etc>)

Sailorcurt:

Sorry, but I gotta call you on that one. You are assuming that the adult children of leftists are as responsible, self-reliant and capable as real Americans.

No, actually I’m assuming those who choose to go into military service--and stick with it long enough to go into combat and make the ultimate sacrifice--are. I agree with you when you say that: ”American fighting men and women are NOT mamby pamby, metrosexual, can’t cut the umbilical cord pansies.  They are honorable, hard working, capable Warriors.  Leftist have absolutely no understanding of any of those traits.”

Still, that is an assumption that those commiting to the militayr are like that. I think it’s a pretty good one to make, however, given that a Leftist in general and a Mooreon in particular, doesn’t know the meaning either of sacrifice or commitment.

I was just trying to be humorously ironic.  I actually agreed with everything you said.

It occurs to me that leftists are masters at projection.  They project their weaknesses onto everyone else.

Examples:

They can’t make decisions on their own or take care of themselves without direct supervision from their parents, or...even better...the government, so they project that trait onto everyone else.

Leftists know without a doubt that they would NEVER voluntarily enlist in the military unless they absolutely had to in order to survive. They project that onto every member of the armed services.  They further assume that, since THEY are capable of surviving (after moving out of mommy and daddy’s house at age 30) without the military, anyone who HAS to join the military to survive MUST be a blooming idiot.

They are prone to fits of anger, name calling and irrational hatred so they project that upon anyone who has the audacity to disagree with them.  If I tell a leftist “you are wrong” They respond by insulting my heritage, my upbringing, my parent’s marital status and calling me every insulting name they can think of...and then say I’m hateful.

Leftists know that they couldn’t be trusted with firearms.  They would be pulling it out and blasting away every time they get angry...which is approximately every 10 minutes (every two minutes while driving).  They project that proclivity onto everyone else and, therefore, assume that we are not worthy of owning firearms.

I could go on and on but you get the point.

Stewart I do not even know why you bothered to give that lithium deprived granny the time of day.  She was an RCH close to just being a hack/bash program set on random.  But Kudos to you for being so thorough.

like the high level of gun violence in supposedly utopia Canada

Hunh?

High level compared to what?

From CBC reality check during recent election, about the idiotic idea to ban handguns:

The reality is that despite the newspaper headlines and concern of politicians, there has not been a massive rise in violent crime. Over the past 30 years, the level of homicides has declined dramatically

Full text of article is here:Is happiness a banned handgun?

ebrooks54

Hunh? High level compared to what?

Not only compared to the false stats Moore cites, but also compared to similair areas with (often) harsher gun restrictions.

Not only compared to the false stats Moore cites, but also compared to similair areas with (often) harsher gun restrictions.

LOL, you cna tell I have a thign to get too. I meant “(often) less harsh"--i.e. with equal or elsser restrictions.

In a hurry + brain spazzed out = mushed motuh man.

This woman is senile, nuts, a raving moonbat or some combination thereof.  I hardly think she’s worth the effort of responding to.

sl0re
I think it still points to the old forums.

Nah, it’s not that simple.

If you click the link at the bottom of the posts on the front page you go to the new forums, but if you click on the link on the comment view of the posts it takes you to the old forums.....

It may not be rocket science, but it is kinda confusing :P

I don’t know if I ever said this here or not, but here goes anyway… Some people don’t suffer from BDS; they enjoy every second of it.

No final score need, but in a blowout, MooreWatch wins, Cary loses.

The End.

No postgame wrapup needed.

Let’s move on now (pardon the unintended pun).

Wow, letters from someone who could actually make a good case that they were in fact just born yesterday. I have to come back here more often. I forgot how funny some of this mail is.

How dare she say this website encourages hate mongering. God, I hate her so much!!!!!!!