My take on Moore on the Tonight show.

Jim and Lee said everything I was thinking, but I’d like to add a bit as well, if you don’t mind.

The overall impression I got from Moore is that this was the most phony I have ever seen him. He should change his name to Janus Moore if he’s going to talk out of both sides of his head like that.

On his website , he has tons of links to “Bush stole the election part 2: Election Bugaboo” but when Leno asked him why did he think the Democrats lost, he first simply answered “Bush got more votes”.
Then, he actually came up with the only palatable reason that Democrats would accept for Bush winning, which was the “ We have never unseated a President during wartime, and besides, Bush promised no terror attacks and he delivered on that promise” diatribe.

IMHO, this was all about the Oscars. He needs to appear reasonable from now until Oscar night. I would expect his website to start slowly turning down the rhetoric at a measured pace over the next few weeks as well. He needs to win more than the 48% Kerry got.  Yes, he was likable and humble. That’s exactly what he wanted you to think.

Since the movie, the book and the Osama-quoting-Moore video, Moore has been exposed to a lot of folks who don’t live in front of a key board like we do. They don’t know him. He needed to look rational to those folks, if only to make those of us who talk trash about him look like the radical ones.

Well, I see through all of that. Moore was as phony as his movie. I don’t even buy the saddness. I think it was all an act. He probably practiced looking a little humbled.

I do have to say, I’m really glad to see he’s cleaned up a bit. I’ve never thought his “scruffy” look was any kind of statement, I figured it to be a combination of laziness and slobbery. He really looked healthier on the show that I’ve seen him look in a long time. Good for him. He’s already dressed up for the Oscars.

Oh, and speaking of the Oscars.

I wonder if the Academy would still award Moore best picture if he was tied up in a lawsuit with some of the folks who appeared in the movie without their permission? That might just be too much for them.

Broken Hearts and Clogged Arteries

Heartbroken Moore takes timeout: Filmmaker hopes ‘Fahrenheit 9/11’ gets an Oscar nod

BY ELAINE DUTKA
LOS ANGELES TIMES

HOLLYWOOD, Calif.—Chopping logs. Taking long walks in the woods outside his home in Northern Michigan. Reading the latest Robert B. Parker detective novel. Going to church on Sunday. And catching up on sleep.

That’s how filmmaker Michael Moore is spending his time these days. He’s no longer sparring with Fox News’ Bill O’Reilly or trying to sway opinion with his Bush-bashing “Fahrenheit 9/11,” but is instead watching “Desperate Housewives” with his wife, Kathleen Glynn.

Taking a post-election breather before launching into an Oscar campaign that he hopes will earn his documentary a best picture nomination, Moore also is preparing to work on a new documentary about the worlds of healthcare and pharmaceuticals, tentatively titled “Sicko,” after the start of the new year.

Since the election, the highly -visible Moore has retreated to his two-bedroom cabin on a four-acre spread in Michigan, where he and his wife are adjusting to life without their 23-year-old daughter, Natalie, who recently moved to the San Francisco Area.

Moore on Leno

I just finished watching Our Boy on Leno.  A few observations, in no particular order:

1. Someone has hired an image consultant.  And not just for a new look, either.

2. The new demeanor is cute...almost the old, funny Mike.  Too bad he couldn’t keep it going through the second segment and started to fall back into barking moonbat territory.  Looks like he needs some more training with the image consultant.

3. He looked truly defeated even as he tried to “buck up.” You can see the despair in his eyes.

4. Surprisingly, the Leno crowd booed him and cheered when he talked about Bush’s 9/11 image.  Man, even in that white-washed, we’ll-cheer-anything crowd, they applauded Bush and booed Moore.  He’ll never get it, will he?

5. Funny how the “sample letter” he chose to read from his book just happens to support all of his military talking points from F911, which we here at Moorewatch have debunked again and again.  My gut still says those letters are, at least in part, forgeries.

6. I’m going to say it: I think Mike has Bell’s Palsy.  The right side of his face rarely moves, and when he blinks his right eye closes slower than his left.  And he never talked this much out of the side of his mouth before.  If it’s true, then I ofer my condolences...it’s a nasty affliction.

If anyone has the video, let me know.

Update from Lee: Since I live on the Left Coast I only just saw the interview.  I agree with Jim for the most part.  In the first segment he seemed somewhat normal and gracious, and in the second he turned into the bitter, conspiratorial, petty jackoff that we all know him to be.  And I’m starting to agree with Jim about the letters.  At first I thought that there was no way he’d fake those, but the more I hear about them the more I think that I wouldn’t put it past him.

Does anyone buy that bullshit story about the stagehand who came up and apologized to him?  Not me, what a total load of shit.

I also find it quite telling how flippantly he blows off the fact that Osama bin Laden, the modern day Hitler, quoted his film.  Ha ha ha, isn’t that funny, let’s mention “My Pet Goat” again.  Hee hee hee.

What a scumbag.

Oh, and as far as the booing goes, one thing you guys have to realize is that most of the people in the audience are tourists.  So it’s not going to be packed with blue-state left-wing jackoffs, you’re going to get a mix of people from all over the country.  Hence the booing.

On the subject of gun control….

This may be a little off topic, as it isn’t directly related to Moore, but the subject of guns comes up a lot at Moorewatch ever since Moore released Bowling for Columbine. The idea for this post came to me after reading the 200+ comments from the “Knife violence” thread a few days ago.( which turned into a gun violence thread)

Inevitably, whenever we discuss guns here, part of the discourse always involves “banning” as part of a possible suggestion to curb gun violence. Private gun ownership is protected by the 2nd amendment, and as we all know from the gay marriage amendment debate, the idea of changing the Constitution is very serious business. We don’t want to go changing things on a whim, so I have an idea how we can examine the possible effectiveness of a ban on guns by practicing with something else that isn’t protected by the Constitution to see how effective it is.

I wonder what we could use as a substitute for guns for the purpose of this discussion?

No, not cars.

It can’t be our cars, because it’s widely accepted that although more car deaths are reported each year than gun deaths, people need their cars.

Hmmmm..............what could we use for our experiment?

It would have to be something dangerous sometimes.
It would have to be something that some people are vehemently opposed to.
It would have to be something that someone would break into your house to steal.
It would have to be something that some people get enjoyment from having.
It would have to be something used by criminals sometimes.
It would have to be something that people say doesn’t affect anyone else if it never leaves the house.
And finally, possessing this mystery “something” would have to increase your chance of dying an untimely death.

All of these things are ways that guns are described, so if we can find something else that isn’t Constitutionally protected, and fits all of these descriptions, then we could ban it and see how effective the ban works. Many folks contend that banning guns would make guns violence go away, so if we ban this mystery something, it should go away too, if “banning” actually works.

What could we use as an example?  Think people! THINK !!!

I’ve got it!

The Search for Spock?

Have some fun with this one.

Rejected Titles for the Sequel to Fahrenheit 9/11

“Director Michael Moore is planning a sequel to Fahrenheit 9/11 [...] dubbed Fahrenheit 9/11 and 1/2” - Reuters

* Fahrenheit 9/12

* Fahrenheit 9/11: Episode II

* Fahrenheit 9/11, Too

* Fahrenheit 9/3-D

* Out of Context, Shmout of Context

* Fahrenheit 9/11: Electric Bugaloo

* Fahrenheit Ka-Ching!!!!

* Fahrenheit 9/11 Meets Frankenstein

* Fahrenheit 9/11 Rides Again

* Getting Republicans 55% of the Vote

* Fahrenheit 9/11 Finds a Son

* Young Fahrenheit 9/11

* The Martian Chronicles

Hmm…

Fahrenheit 1822: This Time It’s Personal

Fahrenheit 9/11: Die Fahrenheiter

Fahrenheit 9/11: The Undiscovered Diet Plan

Honey I Blew Up The Filmmaker

Watch Moore….

.....on the Tonight Show with Jay Leno, Monday night.

The Big One finally breaks his silence after the election.

How about some predictions:

1) How many times will Moore mention President Bush?

2) How many times will Moore say “Mister Bush”, “Governor Bush”, or “The Chimpster”?( instead of “President")

3) How many times will Moore mention the word “Slacker(s)”

4) What will be the first lie Moore tells?

5) Will the audience boo him?  (or will they boo the boo-ers?)

I’m sure there are more predictions you may have, let’s hear ‘em.

Make A Run for the Border

It’s another socialized medicine success!  What do you do when you can’t get access to a free doctor in your free, government-run health care system?  Why, you cross the border into eeeeeevil fascist kkkorporate Amerika!

Windsor, Ontario, doctor Albert Schumacher believes it’s his ethical and moral responsibility to tell patients they can cross the border for faster tests. The president of the Canadian Medical Association said the country’s doctors have no choice when waiting times get unhealthy for their patients.

“Right now physicians scramble to get their patients the treatment they need,” Schumacher said.

“Getting it in a timely way is virtually impossible.”

In a speech to the Toronto Board of Trade yesterday, Schumacher said the shortage of health professionals and the inability to access timely care for patients is undermining confidence in the system.

“There is a perfect storm brewing in terms of health human resources and it threatens to wipe out any and all efforts to make the system work better,” he said.

He accused governments of dragging their feet.

Sixty percent of family doctors here have limited or closed their doors to new patients while the U.S. and Britain recruit Canadian physicians.

Go to America for treatment.  Now that’s what I call compassion!

The Valparaiso Tragedy

Calling Michael Moore!!!!

Another Columbine style attack has happened in America’s heartland:

8 Students Injured in Ind. Knife Attack

By TOM COYNE, Associated Press Writer

VALPARAISO, Ind. - A high school student wielding two knives slashed eight schoolmates Wednesday, authorities said. The injuries were not believed to be life-threatening.

The student who committed the attack before class was in custody and Valparaiso High School was placed on lockdown, police spokesman Michael Grennes said.

Grennes said the attack happened around 8 a.m. in a Spanish classroom at the school about 20 miles southeast of Gary.

“The kid, after he stabbed them, he ran out of the room and a bunch of teachers tackled him,” sophomore Clark Hogan said. “I saw the lady kick the knife down the hallway. She kicked it against the wall.”

Jeni Bell, a spokeswoman for Porter hospital, said the students suffered severe cuts and one suffered a hip injury. But she said the injuries were not life-threatening. Two students had already been released and one left without being treated, she said.

The uninjured students were allowed to leave school about 3 1/2 hours after the attack. Until then, they said, they were kept locked in their classrooms.

“The teachers wouldn’t tell us what was going on,” said Danielle Boer. “We were scared.”

Grennes declined to release additional details of the attack, including a possible motive, pending a news conference later Wednesday. School employees said no one was immediately available to comment.

No doubt America’s “Knife culture” is to blame. I understand that Valparaiso Indiana is home to PowderTech industries, a manufacturing firm that produces metal powders.

Yes, Metal, the same material used to make KNIVES!!!!!!  These kids didn’t stand a chance.

Bobby Darin, who took the song “Mack the knife” to number one on the charts in 1959 could not be reached for comment about how songs of assault knife violence are affecting kids these days.

At this time it is unclear where the student got the assault knives he used in the attack, however local rumors are saying that he stole them from his Mother, who left them carelessly unsecured in the kitchen junk drawer at their home. Apparently, she did not use knife locks.

Also of note, the word Knife startes with a K as in KKK. This is just too scary to think about. Even scarier, I just opened a bank account and to my horror, they gave me a new set of steak knives as a gift. They had a whole bunch of them right there in the vault.

I am going to march down to my local K-Mart today and demand that they stop selling all types of Assault knives .............. and butter knives, and oyster knives, and grapefruit knives, and........

What’s this all about?

From the frontpage of Moore’s website, this message:

IF YOU’VE SEEN ‘FAHRENHEIT 9/11,’ YOU KNOW HOW MUCH FUN BUSH’S FIRST INAUGURATION WAS. HELP MAKE THIS ONE EVEN BIGGER AND BETTER.

The link leads to the ANSWER homepage.

I remember the only scene from F9/11 of Bush’s inauguration was that shot of someone throwing an egg at the President’s Limo.

Is Moore trying to incite a riot at the inauguration? If not, what does he mean by “bigger and better” when he thought the best part of the last one was that egg? I think in a post 9-11 world, people should think twice about lobbing anything at the President. Seriously, demonstrating is fine but I hope folks aren’t so stupid as to try to recreate that scene from Moore’s movie. The results could be tragic.

That’s one way to do it

I’m having what one can only call a bad day.  See here, then also see the fact that for a reason I cannot figure out, rather than clear just the spam from my inbox, the filters just seem to have wiped out 1500 messages.

Gone.

*poof*

If you sent me something in the last week or so that needs attention, please resend it.  I’m going back to sleep for a few days hours.

Frigidaire 9/11

Michael Moore is leaving his mark on America.

Director Michael Moore, whose anti-Iraq war film “Fahrenheit 9/11” sparked a firestorm of controversy before becoming a post-election footnote, topped an annual list on Monday of Hollywood’s “coldest” celebrities

The outspoken documentarian, who seemed to be everywhere during the 2004 U.S. presidential campaign, urging defeat of President Bush, ranks No. 1 on this year’s “Frigid 50” roster of lackluster stars published by online movie magazine FilmThreat.com.

The Web site, known for an anti-establishment take on the entertainment industry, said its list names the stars it found to be the “the polar opposite of the hottest celebrities: these are the least powerful, least-inspiring, least-intriguing people in Hollywood.” ...

Moore qualified because of what the editors saw as an oversized ego. “Message to Michael: Remember, it’s not always about you. Lose the chip on your shoulder,” the editors said.

The problem is, with Michael Moore it is always about Michael Moore.  (And making tens of millions of dollars prostituting the memories of dead American soldiers.)

Unger strike

Criag Unger is the author of “House of Bush, House of Saud”, which Michael Moore based a good percentage of his movie Fahrenheit 9/11 on. All of the parts about Bush’s relatioship with the Saudis *cue menacing music* were attributed to Unger’s book.

But now, when there seems to be a similar developing relationship between The Clinton’s and the Saudis, Unger isn’t so quick to sound the alarm. He asserts in this article that the millions of dollars recently dontaed by the Saudis and other Arabs is just a case of them “keeping their options open”.

I wonder what kind of double standard explainations we’ll see from Moore and the lefties if Hillary Clinton does win in 2008?

Saudis, Arabs Funneled Millions to President Clinton’s Library
BY JOSH GERSTEIN - Staff Reporter of the Sun
November 22, 2004

LITTLE ROCK, ARK. - President Clinton’s new $165 million library here was funded in part by gifts of $1 million or more each from the Saudi royal family and three Saudi businessmen.

The governments of Dubai, Kuwait, and Qatar and the deputy prime minister of Lebanon all also appear to have donated $1 million or more for the archive and museum that opened last week.

Democrats spent much of the presidential campaign this year accusing President Bush of improperly close ties to Saudi Arabia. The case was made in Michael Moore’s film “Fahrenheit 9/11,” in a bestselling book by Craig Unger titled “House of Bush, House of Saud,” and by the Democratic presidential candidate, Senator Kerry."This administration delayed pressuring the Saudis,” Mr. Kerry said on October 20. “I will insist that the Saudis crack down on charities that funnel funds to terrorists… and on anti-American and anti-Israel hate speech."The Media Fund, a Democratic group whose president is a former Clinton White House aide, Harold Ickes, spent millions airing television commercials in swing states with scripts such as, “The Saudi royal family...wealthy...powerful...corrupt. And close Bush family friends.”

Perhaps as a result, the Saudi donations to the Clinton library are raising some eyebrows. Mr. Unger said he suspects that the Saudi support may have something to do with a possible presidential bid by Senator Clinton in 2008.

“They want to keep their options open no matter who’s in power and whether that’s four years from now or whatever,” the author said. “Just a few million is nothing to them to keep their options open.”

Link

Funny, with Moore’s hyper-sensitivity to the relationships between the US President and the Saudi Royals, you’d think he’s have this news plastered all over his website. I looked, and as you guessed, not a peep out of Moore about it. Instead, they decided to post a picture of Bush in a Chilean poncho. I guess the picture meant to belittle Bush, but to me it looks like he’s showing some of the respect for a foreign culture that the left has been insisting he doesn’t possess. 

Truth for Troops update.

With all of the elction hubub over, I thought I would give you an update on our Truth for Troops project.

For those of you who are new readers to Moorewatch, you can get up to speed here.

Part of the reason we started Truth for Troops was because of a letter written by Army Spc Joe Roche:

Michael Moore’s film, Fahrenheit 9/11, is making the rounds here at U.S. bases in Kuwait. Some soldiers have received it already and are passing is around. The impact is devastating.

Here we are, soldiers of the 1st Armored Division, just days from finally returning home after over a year serving in Iraq, and Moore’s film is shocking and crushing soldiers, making them feel ashamed. Moore has abused the First Amendment and is hurting us worse than the enemy has.

You may have heard that we were able to secure a generous donation of 5000 DVD’s from the CEO of Overstock.com of the movie FahrenHYPE9/11 to send to the troops, which gave us a great jump start towards our goal of 10,000 DVD’s.

We started asking for donations on our Truth for Troops website, which is a partnership between Moorewatch, JunkYard Blog, Moorelies, and Keystone Soldiers.

To date we have raised over $3200.00 in donations and we are sending DVD’s to the troops as fast as we can.

This week, we had two exciting developments in our project:

We were able to secure a special price for the DVD’s of $2.00 each for those DVD’s being sent to the troops only. (You can still order your copy by clicking the Overstock banner at the top of the page) This means we are much closer to our goal of purchasing and shipping 5000 additional DVD’s to the troops.

The second was a letter we received from none other than Army SPC Joe Roche.

Joe writes:

President Gump?

Moore takes one more step towards becoming the most Hollywood-centric person ever:

Hollywood News]: New York, Nov 17 : If “Fahrenheit 9/11” director Michael Moore could have his way then Tom Hanks would occupy the White House in 2008.

“You know, Americans want to vote for someone that they trust, that they like, that has a friendly face. They don’t expect their President to be the one who’s actually setting the policy and writing the laws. They know Bush doesn’t do that,” Moore was quoted by the New York Daily News as saying.

“Americans love celebrities, they love movie stars, and when they get the chance to vote for them, they do,” he added.

However Hanks, who is in London to promote his new flick “The Polar Express,” expressed amusement at Moore’s idea but insisted he has no political aspirations.

“That will never, ever, ever happen,” Hanks declared through his PR representatives. (ANI)

Moore thinks Hollywood is the answer to everything. Personally, I think it’s part of the problem.

….dangerously incomplete or virtually incoherent.

This is a review of Michael Moore’s Fahrenheit 9/11 I thought I would never, ever read.

Robert Jensen, of the Universityof Texas makes the case over the course of 10,000 or so words that Moore’s movie is incredibly flawed because it is not liberal enough. It charges Moore with “subtle racism” among other flaws.

“Fahrenheit 9/11” is a stupid white movie: What Michael Moore misses about the empire

Robert Jensen
School of Journalism
University of Texas

Here is the first paragraph:

I have been defending Michael Moore’s “Fahrenheit 9/11” from the criticism in mainstream and conservative circles that the film is leftist propaganda. Nothing could be further from the truth; there is very little left critique in the movie. In fact, it’s hard to find any coherent critique in the movie at all.

The sad truth is that “Fahrenheit 9/11” is a bad movie, but not for the reasons it is being attacked in the dominant culture. It’s at times a racist movie. And the analysis that underlies the film’s main political points is either dangerously incomplete or virtually incoherent.

A snip from the middle:

And what of the analysis of Iraq? Moore is correct in pointing out that U.S. support for Iraq during the 1980s, when Saddam Hussein’s war on Iran was looked upon favorably by U.S. policymakers, was a central part of Reagan and Bush I policy up to the Gulf War. And he’s correct in pointing out that Bush II’s invasion and occupation have caused great suffering in Iraq. What is missing is the intervening eight years in which the Clinton administration used the harshest economic embargo in modern history and regular bombing to further devastate an already devastated country. He fails to point out that Clinton killed more Iraqis through that policy than either of the Bush presidents. He fails to mention the 1998 Clinton cruise missile attack on Iraq, which was every bit as illegal as the 2003 invasion.

and the last paragraph:

The potential value of Moore’s film will be realized only if it is discussed and critiqued, honestly. Yes, the film is under attack from the right, for very different reasons than I have raised. But those attacks shouldn’t stop those who consider themselves left, progressive, liberal, anti-war, anti-empire or just plain pissed-off from criticizing the film’s flaws and limitations. I think my critique of the film is accurate and relevant. Others may disagree. The focus of debate should be on the issues raised, with an eye toward the question of how to build an anti-empire movement. Rallying around the film can too easily lead to rallying around bad analysis. Let’s instead rally around the struggle for a better world, the struggle to dismantle the American empire.

I disagree with much of this critique, as it falls into the trap Moore sets with many of his accusations; “Recruiters prey on poor minorities” and some other distortions, yet it is a fascinating critique nonetheless. Some parts he gets spot on.

If you have a few extra minutes, it’s worth a look.

note*
I e-mailed the author of this article for permission to reprint parts of it here and extended an invitation to discuss it with us. He granted permission and I hope he obliges our discussion request.

An Angry Response.

Edward Anger has read your comments and reponded. (via e-mail)

Hate Mail Vol. 32

This one is just hilarious.

From: [email protected]
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 22:40:50 EST
Subject: Be Careful What you Write..
To: jimk

If anything should happen to Michael Moore as a result of your internet
stalking there could be charges filed against you in the form of both a civil law
suit from his surviving estate, as well as a federal investigation on your
stalking history. I have worked for the Bush Sr. Administration with a group of
covert law enforcement “group” under the Dept. of Justice. You are being
watched. Let it go.

Well folks, that’s it.  MOOREWATCH is closed.  We’re being watched.  Move along.  Nothing to see. :)

Angry Ed.

I just got this e-mail form a guy calling himself “Edward Anger”.

I found your website disturbing. Your supposition that Moore makes movies for personal profit seems a lot less worse than the supposition that Bush sends people to die for oil.  I am not aligned with Moore or the people he criticizes.  But, I have to say he makes a much stronger point than any that I’ve read on your website.  Information on his website is backed up by facts.  Most of the information on your website comes from unnamed sources or is purely personal speculation.

Okay Ed, let’s hear some of those “strong points” and “facts”, which we will debunk (with named sources) so you don’t have to be disturbed anymore. Remember though, speculation is off the table, *your rules*. You have an open invitation and my full attention.

Slacker Math

At Michael Moore’s website, he’s linked to a story from MSNBC, which claims that the “slacker” vote turned out to be very unslacker-ish, in that they turned out in mobs to vote in the last election.

According to a new analysis of voter data, turnout among the under-30 set shot up 9 percent from 2000. The study, conducted by the University of Maryland’s Center for Information & Research on Civil Learning & Engagement (CIRCLE), found that at least 20.9 million in the 18-29-year-old bracket voted, compared with only about 16 million in 2000. The exit polls didn’t register the increase because they show the percentage of young voters out of all voters. Since every age bracket voted in higher numbers than in 2000, the exit polls showed about equal youth shares of total voters for 2004 and 2000—not an accurate picture of the youth vote, experts say. “The main information available to any of us at this point is the set of exit polls,” says Scott Keeter, director of survey research at the Pew Research Center for the People and the Press. “CIRCLE’s analysis is the best careful look at this ... It’s like the Bible to me now.”

That’s not what I found....

This is an actual call from one of our subscribers…..

This is just funny.

Enjoy!

Feed me-(From IMAO)