Hawaii is dropping the only state universal child health care program in the country just seven months after it launched.
Gov. Linda Lingle’s administration cited budget shortfalls and other available health care options for eliminating funding for the program. A state official said families were dropping private coverage so their children would be eligible for the subsidized plan.
“People who were already able to afford health care began to stop paying for it so they could get it for free,” said Dr. Kenny Fink, the administrator for Med-QUEST at the Department of Human Services. “I don’t believe that was the intent of the program.”
What? How can this be? You mean that when the government provides something for free it provides an incentive for people to take advantage of the system? My God, who could have ever dreamed of such a thing!
State health officials argued that most of the children enrolled in the universal child care program previously had private health insurance, indicating that it was helping those who didn’t need it.
This is why universal health insurance is such a bad idea. It encourages people to do things that they normally wouldn’t (and shouldn’t) do.
Update Here’s a quote, generally attributed to Alexander Fraser Tytler which so perfectly predicts and illustrates this dynamic.
“A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship.”
The average age of the world’s greatest civilizations from the beginning of history has been about 200 years. During those 200 years, these nations always progressed through the following sequence:
• From bondage to spiritual faith;
• From spiritual faith to great courage;
• From courage to liberty;
• From liberty to abundance;
• From abundance to complacency;
• From complacency to apathy;
• From apathy to dependence;
• From dependence back into bondage.
This is why I’m a Libertarian, and why the less government we have in our lives the better. Nobody will listen, though. They’ll keep on looking at the ample teat of government as a place to suckle for free, always expecting other people to pay for things they should be doing themselves. When you remove the incentive for responsible behavior you end up with citizens behaving irresponsibly.
Which, I’m sure, would NEVER happen in Michael Moore’s fantasy healthcare utopia, would it?
There’s one place in America where people are given 100% medical care provided by the state. Every single medical need they have is provided, free of charge. So I think it’s reasonable that we look at this system to provide some insight into what government-run healthcare in America would look like. What is this system I refer to? Why, the prison system, of course
Now, before we begin, let us not forget that this is a point Moore has made himself a number of times. He made a huge deal after the capture of Saddam that the dictator was getting the type of free medical exam that American citizens couldn’t get, and in Sicko he took 9/11 victims to Gitmo to try to get the same level of care that the terror suspects held there were receiving. So before you Mooreons attack me for an unfair comparison, remember that your lord and savior has been making this point for years.
As many as one in six deaths of California prison inmates last year might have been preventable, according to a study of medical care in 32 state lockups that will be used to help rebuild the troubled system.
One inmate, who reported extreme chest pains in the middle of the night, died of a heart ailment after waiting eight hours to see a doctor.
Another who complained for days of severe abdominal pain died of acute pancreatitis after medical staff did not believe his pleas were credible.
A third died after a two-year delay in diagnosis of his testicular cancer.
And an asthma patient died after failing to receive steroid medication for two days following transfer from a county jail.
The report, released Wednesday by the court-appointed receiver in charge of healthcare for the state’s 173,000 prisoners, revealed a broad pattern of delays in diagnosis, poor inmate access to doctors and tests, botched handling of medical records, and failure of medical staff to recognize and treat dangerous conditions.
Officials said some lapses led to disciplinary actions against doctors and nurses.
There were 426 deaths in 2006, including 43 suicides, and the study examined 381 of them.
Eighteen deaths were found to be preventable, meaning better medical management or a better system of care would have prevented deaths. An additional 48 were found to be “possibly preventable,” meaning better medical management of a system of care might have prevented death.
Of the deaths considered preventable, six were from asthma, which receiver Robert Sillen said he intended to make a priority for reforms.
“The leading cause of [preventable] death being asthma is unconscionable, and it is evidence of systemic problems and problems with individual clinical judgments,” Sillen said in an interview. “Adults in 21st century California should not have asthma as a primary cause of death.”
Now, be honest. This could very easily be a report about the Canadian or British healthcare systems. You could swap “NHS” for “prison” and end up with damn near a verbatim report. If your goal is to provide 100% coverage to everyone then socialized medicine is for you. If your goal is to provide the best quality coverage to the maximum number of people, we can all see just how wonderful the government is at providing 100% healthcare.
The Russian author Fyodor Dostoevsky is alleged to have said, “The way society treats its prisoners characterizes the level of its civilization.” I will leave it to the reader to determine to what degree proponents of 100% government-run healthcare are interested in a just and fair civilization.
Several years ago I pinched a nerve In my back. Anyone who has had one of these know how painful it is.
Last week I awoke with a pain in my back and chest. Well those are the symptoms of a pinched nerve Id felt them before but never quite like this. As before I laid down and was sure it would remedy itself within a day or two.
Four days later I WALK to the emergency room because the pain is so bad I don’t trust myself to drive. It actually isn’t that far from me I only had to stop five times along the way.
Because I have chest pains in addition to the back pain they take me right away. First they hook me up to a heart monitor and my rate is way high. So then they give me a ekg. This whole time they are strapping all this stuff on me I am trying to explain to them that it is a pinched nerve and I just need something to help me get to sleep. They don’t listen to me. They draw blood, not one vial but 5. Then give me some morphine into the I.V. line that they have put into me. Then I get taken down for chest x-ray’s. The whole time I’m thinking I had a heart attack or something, but it’s been four days surely I would be dead by now.
All this BEFORE I am asked if I have health insurance. Then they ask. Guess what. Yea you guessed it. I have none know what happens next?
The doctor comes in and says I she may have to send me down to their Medical Imaging for a MRI. There might have been some small vien or something in my heart causing the heart problems I’m having. Then they take more blood, and give me more morphine.
That’s right this big greedy corporation after finding out that I have no insurance is going to run more expensive imaging on me, run more expensive tests on me and give me more drugs to ease the pain I’m in even though they know they might not get paid. Now that’s evil.
They are getting ready to transport me down to their MRI and the doctor that has been attending me appears. I am not having a heart problems. I have an acute pancreatitis, which is just as serious just takes longer to kill you. She informs me that I am going to be admitted to the hospital for treatment.
I spend 3 days there poked prodded and infused with bags full of stuff that my pancreas should have been making for my body. At one point I am even moved to a private room so I am not disturbed by another fellow in the shared room that I am in that is very noisy. I need my rest the nurse says. Over the stay I find out I also have elevated liver function enzymes, hyperlipidemia and a slight curve to my spine.
I’m discharged and dreading the bill.
I relate this story to a friend of mine from England. Telling him the whole time I have no idea how I’m gonna pay for this.
He tells me this. “At least your alive to worry about the bills. In England they would have looked at the symptoms (a pinched nerve in your back and pancreatitis have the same pain symptoms) listened to what your history assumed it was your back problem given you pain killers. You wouldn’t have felt the pain went home and died They would have done their best to get you in and out, tell that to Michael Moore”
My parents went bankrupt because of their medical bills. I’d much rather receive the world’s best medical care and go bankrupt that receive the same level of shitty care that everyone else receives, simply out of some sense of egalitarian proletarian “fairness.”
The first article deals primarily with Moore’s assertions about the nature of Cuban health care, and then goes on to thoroughly fisk Moore’s depiction of European socialized systems. I highly suggest reading the whole article, but these quotes in particular jumped out at me. Be warned - the pictures shown on these links are both graphic and disturbing. Nevertheless, they are certainly things people willing to swallow Moore’s story about the glory of Castro and his socialist health care system need to see. On the nature of Cuban health care:
I don’t believe Michael Moore is a mere liar. He’s quite well aware that Cubans aren’t as lucky as him to receive first-class treatment when they need it, but he doesn’t care at all, as his everyday sport is going after his native country and get the applause of silly Euro leftists. What “Sicko” purposely didn’t tell you about Cuba is that, other than being a Gulag police state, there are very few—if any—functioning health centers. The rest, as can be seen in these photographs taken and sent in by a non-governamental journalist, are collapsing structures that resemble recently-bombed buildings. This is just the exterior side. Entering a Cuban hospital may be an appalling experience. Hygiene is pratically non-existent, excrements and roaches can easily be found everywhere on the floors and medicines are rarely available for patients. I challenge Moore to support his claims about US healthcare with graphical evidence, but I doubt he’ll be able to find any picture comparable to plenty of others showing the third-world decay of Castroite health. To figure out which side of Cuba’s dual system Michael Moore experienced, you need to scroll down this page from “The Real Cuba.”
Another interesting paragraph from this piece breaks down the actual number of uninsured Americans - a number which is, again, vastly different from the picture Moore paints. These are figures I had been meaning to write about for some time which are appearing in more and more articles that are critiquing Sicko. See for yourself:
As an European fed up with socialized medicine, I would like to express my deepest admiration for American healthcare. Although not perfect and needing more effective free market reforms, the money factor—which “Sicko” lashes out at as source of all imaginary evils—is what keeps it innovative, competitive and efficient. We hear a lot about 45 million citizens who don’t have health insurance. But just who are they? The US Census Bureau couldn’t be clearer:
--38% of the uninsured (17 million) live in households earning over $ 50,000 in annual income
--20% (9 million) reside in households earning over 75,000 a year
--Over 18 million (40%), between the ages of 18 and 34, spend more on entertainment or dining out
--14 million ( 31%) are elegible for health government programs like Medicaid, but choose to opt-out.
So, how many are truly uninsured? Only 18% of Americans.
The second article is a short but again detailed fisking of Moore’s depiction of European health care. According to this journalist, it’s not all roses and sunshine in England and France as Moore would have us believe:
Moore interviewed a physician in the British National Health Service about how wonderful free health care is in Britain, and how satisfied the physicians are in the NHS. He forgot to mention that more than one third of physicians working for the NHS buy private insurance so they don’t have to rely on the “free” care, and that more than 6 million British citizens also buy private insurance for the same reason. He did not mention that this year the health minister admitted that one in eight British patients still wait for more than a year for treatment. He neglected to say that Britain has had to import more than 20,000 physicians in the past three years – chiefly from Middle Eastern and Asian countries – because so few of the British, after sixty years of experience with the NHS, want to enter or stay in the profession.
While praising the superiority of French medical care and the fact that French doctors make house calls – almost as an aside while praising the superiority of every element of French society compared with America’s – Moore forgot to mention that 13,000 Frenchmen died of heat prostration and dehydration during a heat wave in the summer of 2003, when most French physicians were on summer vacation and did not show up in emergency rooms, let alone make house calls.
Beautifully stated. I encourage everyone to read these articles in full and, once again, ask yourself - why isn’t Michael Moore telling us the whole truth?
We’re heard a lot about the UK and France. What about Sweden?
In my home of Sweden, for instance, patients in need of heart surgery often wait as long as 25 weeks, and the average wait for hip replacement is more than a year. Some patients have even been sent to veterinarians for treatment, and many Swedes now go to neighboring countries for dental care, despite having paid taxes for “free” dental coverage.
This shouldn’t be a surprise. Only with an infinite supply of health care funding can government dole out an infinite supply of health care services, so waiting lists are a natural consequence of state-sponsored coverage.
Meanwhile across Europe, efficiency in health care has plummeted. Whereas private-sector competitors have an incentive to adapt new technologies and reorganize, state-sponsored monopolies have no profit motive driving them to seek greater efficiency. So the taxpayers get less and less for their money.
In 1975, for instance, most Swedish doctors averaged nine consultations per day. Today, that number has plummeted to four. Much of this drop is the result of burdensome administrative tasks, as doctors now devote 80 percent of their time to paperwork. Needless to say, this greatly impacts the availability of care.
Doctors and health care staff across Europe also receive far less in pay than U.S. medical staff, as salaries are paid by the state and therefore used as a tool to cut costs. As a result, the United States attracts the world’s most competent doctors.
Further, European governments ration drugs to cut costs. Between 1998 and 2002, for instance, 85 new drugs were introduced in the U.S. market. Meanwhile, there were only 44 new drug launches in Europe.
In other words, European governments haven’t figured out a way to deliver health care for less money — they’ve simply figured out a way to ration care.
Ration care. Hmmm, where have I heard that concept before? Why, it sounds like a huge HMO, doesn’t it? But don’t worry. The Europeans have found a novel solution to their healthcare woes: capitalism.
nterestingly, as U.S. policy-makers and presidential candidates propose more government involvement with the U.S. health care system, Sweden and other European countries are slowly moving away from their leviathan states.
In many nations, competition from health care entrepreneurs is now allowed. And consequently, an increasing number of people are buying private health insurance and receiving treatment at private clinics. In Sweden, the government is making it easier to start health care companies and is even set to start selling public hospitals.
America’s health care system is far from perfect. But when compared with Europe’s centrally planned monopolies, it is far better equipped to deliver the medicine its citizens need.
No thank you, Mikey. Oh, for what it’s worth, on Wednesday I went to the doctor, and he told me he wanted me to have an MRI of my head. I have to get prior approval from my insurance company, which usually takes a day. I didn’t hear from the doctor yesterday so I called this morning. Apparently there’s been some kind of a clerical error, because the department at the insurance company couldn’t find my record. So the delay in this case is a common paperwork error. I would imagine that I will be approved for the MRI today, and should have it sometime early next week.
The poor bastard in the film is in Canada. Guess how long he had to wait?
Update: As it turned out I didn’t need a precertification from my insurance company at all. They said, “No, you’re all set. Just call the MRI place and make an appointment.” Right now it’s 4:30pm on Friday. My MRI is at 8:30am on Monday.
I feel so bad. I’d much rather live in a compassionate society like Canada, where I have to wait six months to get my MRI, than here in the eeeeeevil kapitalist USA, where I can get damn near same-day treatment.
The Cato Institute has released a paper on Massachusetts’ public/private universal health coverage system. Here’s the summary.
In spring 2006, Massachusetts enacted legislation to ensure universal health insurance coverage to all residents. The legislation was a hybrid of ideas from across the political spectrum, promoted by a moderately conservative Republican governor with national political aspirations, and passed by a liberal Democratic state House and Senate. Groups from across the political spectrum supported the plan, from the Heritage Foundation on the right to Families USA on the left, although the plan had detractors from across the political spectrum as well.
This study briefly describes the basic structure of the Massachusetts plan and identifies the good, the bad, and the ugly. Although the legislation, as Stuart Altman put it, “is not a typical Massachusetts–Taxachusetts, oh–just–crazy–liberal plan,” there is enough “bad” and “ugly” in the mix to raise serious concerns, particularly when the desire to overregulate the health insurance market appears to be hard–wired into Massachusetts policymakers’ DNA.
If we want to make health insurance more affordable and avoid the “bad” and the “ugly” of the Massachusetts plan, Congress — or, barring that, individual states — should consider a “regulatory federalism” approach. Under such an approach, insurers and insurance purchasers would be required to subject themselves to the laws and regulations of a single state but allowed to select the state. As with corporate charters, this system would allow employers and insurers to select the regulatory regime that most efficiently and cost–effectively matches the needs of their risk pools. The ability of purchasers and insurers to exit from the state’s regulatory oversight (taking their premium taxes with them) would temper opportunistic behavior by legislators and regulators, including the temptation to impose inefficient mandates and otherwise overregulate.
In this post by Artmonkey, he mentioned that Moore said anyone who claimed he spoke to Roger Smith was a “fucking liar.” Moore tried to downplay the conversation we can prove he had as not useful, but you can judge that for yourself. The folks at Premiere sent me this link that contains a transcript of the conversation Mike had with Roger. As you can plainly read for yourself, Moore asked some serious, detailed questions and received real, serious answers in return. This was absolutely essential to Roger & Me, and yet is was left out.
One has to ask why.
Next, it’s Free Market Cure Their “mission statement” sounds right to me.
Free Market Cure is dedicated to correctly diagnosing the problems with the U.S. health care system and promoting solutions which preserve and extend individual liberty.
Now, I see which way the wind blows. I know we will get some kind of “universal” coverage, and probably before whoever wins in 2008 is out of the White House. But. BUT. I want whatever we get to be the plan that costs the least, helps the most and gives us as much freedom and liberty as is possible while still improving the general health of the population. Places like Free Market Cure (and Moorewatch) will help to hash out ideas and keep the system honest. We hope.
Moving on...Want to see absolute evidence that Moore is glorifying Castro, Cuban health care as a system and at the same time demanding single-payer ONLY in America? Look no further One of the highlights:
It’s a very poor country, as you know. And I was very impressed. And, you know, with what little they have to use with their healthcare system, they end up living longer than we do. They have a better infant mortality rate than we do. On a number of issues, they’re the same or better than us.
Yeah. Castro sure worked Moore good, didn’t he? I can almost see Fidel’s hand up Mike’s ass, moving the lips.
Speaking of murderous Cubans from history that are glorified by the American left, take a small peek into Che Guevara’s past. Note also that while Moore did not in any way use Che directly to bolster any point in the film, he did use Che’s daughter, which as we all know, will get you instant street cred in Berkeley and San Francisco and any other place where the far, radical left runs the streets wearing communist dictator tee shirts and flashing peace symbols, completely unaware of the contradiction.
Why note that she’s Che’s daughter? How does that improve the content of what she’s saying? Can her credentials not stand on their own? Why use the name of a mass murderer? I’ll tell you why: because as I said, it gives him cred on the loony end of the left, but most people wouldn’t even notice it flash by. In fact, neither DonnaK nor Lee saw it when they watched Sicko.
Lastly, don’t forget to read this post by DonnaK about Moore lying when he says he never intended to go to “Cuba proper.” We’ve been productive here at MW lately and I didn’t want that one to scroll away and be forgotten.
That’s it for now. At least the “Blog this at Moorewatch!” folder is empty now. :)
Note: This is my opinion only. I believe Jim and Donna and the other participants here will be in general agreement with this, but until they officially sign on let’s keep this as being solely the opinion of Lee.
The always-brilliant Cato Institute have come up with an idea. Since many people on the right are warming to the idea that some form of suckle-at-nanny’s-ample-teat statism is necessary to provide healthcare to Americans, they’ve come up with a novel counterweight: The Anti-Universal Coverage Club. Here are the rules.
1. Health policy should focus on making health care of ever-increasing quality available to an ever-increasing number of people.
2. To achieve “universal coverage” would require either having the government provide health insurance to everyone or forcing everyone to buy it. Government provision is undesirable, because government does a poor job of improving quality or efficiency. Forcing people to get insurance would lead to a worse health-care system for everyone, because it would necessitate so much more government intervention.
3. In a free country, people should have the right to refuse health insurance.
4. If governments must subsidize those who cannot afford medical care, they should be free to experiment with different types of subsidies (cash, vouchers, insurance, public clinics & hospitals, uncompensated care payments, etc.) and tax exemptions, rather than be forced by a policy of “universal coverage” to subsidize people via “insurance.”
This is where I am coming from. Moore has done this country a service by pointing out the glaring flaws in our system. The question now becomes, do we use ingenuity and intelligence to come up with a novel solution? Or do we merely sign up to become nothing more than the latest country to buy into the great socialist lie?
I like the second sentence in #2. I agree that government would make a horrible, bloated, expensive mess out of a single-payer system. I disagree with the blanket (and rather simplistic) proclamations in the second half of #2. I am starting to think a basic package required by all is a smart idea. It works for car insurance, there is an economic model from which to begin. I know - health is not driving. But it is a model, or an idea, from which to begin. Government doesn’t manage to screw that up too badly, and there’s no evidence in the National Review article to suggest that it’s absolutely a given that such a system would fail due to lobbying.
We could of course kill all the lobbyists. But that’s a whole other discussion. :)
I get #3 in theory, but we do not live in a pure libertarian fantasy world. We’re required to carry all sorts of insurance for all sorts of reasons. Health care in this country is a big burden on the federal coffers. With some level of basic care that CANNOT be removed by an over-zealous insurance adjuster, general health in America would improve over the next generation or two. Healthier people produce more, grow the economy better and cost the government less in the long run.
I feel like #3 is a pure libertarian’s “We shouldn’t have a standing army” or “The IRS is illegal and I’m my own country now” fantasy. Some kind of system that gives basic care to all WILL happen, and we need to find out the smartest, cheapest and most effective way to make it happen before someone slips a single-payer system past our noses. If anyone thinks that a bill like that couldn’t be passed without huge public outcry preventing it, may I remind you about Moore’s discussion of the USA-PATRIOT Act? It might be the only real true thing in F911: No one read the damn bill. Regardless of how you feel about it, we barely heard a whisper about it before it was law, and it was passed without anyone reading it...it was that complex and confusing. Anyone think special magic universal coverage for all will be any less of a boondoggle? Also, as far as passing things no one wants, can I call your attention to the current amnesty sham in Congress? Americans are vehemently opposed to this bill but the kings and queens on Capitol Hill are bound and determined to do for the peasants what they won’t do for themselves.
If #3 is to be remotely possible, a person would have to demonstrate either remarkable health, or the means to pay the bills on their own in order to opt out. Otherwise we’d be right where we are now: A system where the poor decide not to get any coverage and instead rely on hospitals and emergency care facilities and then don’t pay the bill. Or, they go on Medicare or Medicaid depending on age.
I’m all about #4. We need pilot programs all over the country to experiment with systems and learn how to provide the best care possible for the least amount of money (and stress on the patient).
Something Cato forgot to add as a possibility: We could try to reform the industry we have, find out EXACTLY why it’s so ridiculously expensive and find ways to reduce the numbers, while at the same time closing some of the loopholes that insurance companies use to deny necessary and needed care to patients. That may not work in the end, but it is an idea worth exploring.
I have two ideas that were floated to me via email, upon which I have expanded. Both people asked that I not publicize their address or names, and they were extremely polite about it, so in deference to them...just the ideas. After the jump, the two plans.
..the first would be a system where the insurance companies will be required to give reasonably-priced coverage to all, the way they do with car insurance. There will be a minimum standard that meets the basic care someone would need, with some provisions for catastrophic situations. If you want to and/or can afford it, you may buy more coverage.
I envision it something like this: HMOs negotiate with clinics, big pharma and publicly-owned hospitals to get the rock-bottom lowest rates. Everyone in the basic pool goes to these places for almost everything. If you buy a higher tier, you get to choose your doctor, hospital, etc.
Of course this would also have to accompany reforms in the industry so that an insurance company would be forced to abide by the contract they signed if you go into a higher tier. No more of this “looking for a reason to dump you” crap. In fact I would propose that if they take more than six months of premiums from you, even if they find out that you had seventeen STDs between the ages of 12 and 20 that you never told them about - tough luck. You tooks the money nows ya takes yer chances.
Also, obviously, the initial “assigned risk” tier that everyone can buy is issued to all, at any time, pre-existing conditions do not apply. Suck it up, HMOs. :)
I’m quite sure there are massive flaws in that plan, so let’s hear ‘em.
Plan two, and I don’t know how this would be implemented as a law compelling the HMO industry to comply. I think it;s rather more of a “new product” kind of thing, a service that an HMO could offer that takes from the way the NHS was presented in Sicko.
The idea here is that there is some kind of incentive in the system for reducing a person’s health risk. Like in Sicko, a doctor, a clinic a hospital would receive more money for healthier patients. Get a patient to stop smoking? Get a bonus. Lower the bad cholesterol in 78% of your patients? Get a big bonus. Improve the ratio of patients who recover fully with little-to-know complications due to mistakes or hospital-spread infection? Your hospital gets a free fancy new whosiwhatsit machine to further improve the level of care.
Obviously the flaw here is how the hell do you make this work outside of a single-payer system? I don’t know, but it seems like an idea worth thinking about, so have at it.
Tell me exactly where I’m crazy, why something won’t work and why it’s too expensive. Then, think of an alternative that will work with a privatized system. The more solutions we can come up with, the easier it will be to stave off yet another massive government agency doomed to failure by red tape and a desire to consolidate control and power.
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