Sunday, August 15, 2004
The Bride of Hate Mail
I know we’ve been posting a lot of hate mail lately, but it’s funny, and besides, we’re in a slow period for Mikey news. WHy not have a little fun with the Moore-ons while we idle?
From: [email protected]
To: jimk at moorewatch dot com
Subject: good morning you twisted bastards!Michael Moore is a hero! You are just jealous that you don’t have the guts to acknowledge the truth about the Bush family. You are the same type of slug that damages a single mothers’ car over a simple John Kerry sticker. I am confident you already have your assigned seat in hell. Enjoy it.
I’m not sure where this guy/gal gets the whole bumper sticker vandalism thing...I have heard of a single (one) Democrat’s car being defaced by Bush supporters, but I have heard of about a dozen cases of cars and campaign signs being destroyed because they supported Bush. Whatever. Like I would waste mytime on some idiot’s bumper sticker?
I have Doom 3 to play, Moore-on.
Also, a hero is someone who risks themselves to save or serve others. A fireman that goes back into a fully-engulfed building to save a child. THAT’S a fucking hero. A cop that steps between a civilian and a drug dealer and takes a bullet. THAT is a fucking hero. A soldier that sticks his head in a cave knowing full well that at any moment a terrorist could blow it off...THAT’s a fucking hero. A lying piece of crap that makes tens of millions of dollars by selling self-loathing and lies is not a hero, he’s a blight on society.
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Friday, August 13, 2004
Hate Mail
Note that every single point he claims we “never mention” has been mentioned here numerous times, but he’s either too stupid or too lazy to use the search box to find out.
From: me myself [email protected]
To: lee-at-moorewatch dot com, jimk-at-moorewatch dot com
Date: Fri Aug 13, 2004 04:14:13 PM PDT
Subject: MooreWatch makes me sad =(Just checking out your site, hoping to maybe see more than the same anti-Moore drivel than most other hate sites. Nope, same old tripe. You guys are seriously lame.
Just the fact that there are so many of these cheesy anti-Michael Moore sites proves how powerful his work is and how it resonates with people (and pisses off right-wing crybabies). You guys pick at a thousand little factoids in his movies and books but yet you never mention the greater points he makes. How the Bush family is in bed with the Saudis and give them special treatment and access. How they own so much of our country and economy. How Bush lies and distorts the facts to go to war. How two-faced the entire Bush administration is. How Americans (well, WASPs, anyway) have a disturbing, fetishistic obsession with weapons. Instead you claim his work is a lie because it�s only 95% true.
If you truly, honestly cared about the truth you would list all of Moore�s lies AND Bush�s as well. No sane, reasonable person could say that Bush is an honest man with a straight face. Unfortunately, your site is less an honest search for truth than a shameless, sad and uncreative propaganda device for the right. You guys are hypocrites, and you wish that your side had someone as creative, entertaining and engaging as Moore, instead of the self-righteous, corrosive, hate-spewing gasbags that dominate conservative radio and tv. Moore may be fat, but at least he�s not a freaking drug addict.
Dubya is going to lose in November, and he’s gonna to lose good, just like Daddy. Losers.
-Just Another Proud Liberal
P.S. Nice ads. Why so few?
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Monday, August 09, 2004
Hate Mail Vol. 27
This one wasn’t even e-mail, it came as an html attachment.
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Sunday, August 08, 2004
Hate Mail Vol. 26
Hey, he asked for a reply. Who am I to say don’t e-mail the jerkoff?
From: “Damien Keane” [email protected]
To: jimk at moorewatch dot com
Subject:
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 03:19:39 +0100what kind of bastard are you to set up this sort of website. you conservatives are like nazis. you are racist and violent and all you want is war and bloodshed. the liberals are pretty pathetic as well but at least they are not as backward thinking as you and at least they will consider the little guy to some extent.
ever since the 1950s america has gone on a massive downward spiral in terms of respect other nations have for them and the way america is viewed in the world. after ww1 america sat back and wouldnt get involved in europe’s league of nations. fair enough. but because europe didnt have america’s military muscle backing them they couldnt stop the nazis taking over germany and starting a second world war. after ww2 america did some great things. they got involved at last in europe and in the world. they helped rebuild a shattered german nation and a shattered europe. they provided millions in aid to europe. they set up the un. very good. but since the 50s america has become very aggressive in the world. they have conquered country after country and killed millions in dozens of wars. they got involved in the middle east in the 70s and 80s and basically fucked up that whole region and cost countless lives and destroyed a lot of families. all for oil and power and greed.
listen to michael moore. he is at least trying to get point out to you americans that you have lost your way. you have lost the respect of every nation in the world. u can earn it back but you have to change. stop invading countries for your own selfish interests and stop fucking up the world.
and this letter was written not by an arab or an anti american but by an irish person. i do not hate america or any particular nation. you can reply to me at [email protected]
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Thursday, August 05, 2004
Hate Mail Vol. 25
From: “Peter Florjan” ([email protected])
To: stark23x at gmail dot com
Subject:
Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 15:11:20 +0200you fucking morons. are you really so scared of someone who tells the truth.
you are nothing but a bunch of idiotic republican iraq- baby killers.
Wow. I can kill babies in Iraq from here in Connecticut? ALL HAIL ME FOR I AM FAR-REACHING AND ALL POWERFUL.
I’m’a stop wasting my smoting powers on Iraqi babies and start smoting people who need smoting. Like Linda Ronstadt, and John Ashcroft, Michael Savage, Al Franken...that little Stephallupagas fucker from the old Clinton days...Don Wildmon...I’m sure I can think of a few more given my near-limitless powers.
But guess who I am gonna smote first?
That’s right, Greg Brady. Who’d you think I was going to say?
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Friday, July 09, 2004
Hate Mail
From a European reader.
Hi there,
No offence, but are being paid to make a site like this?
Surely you can’t seriously believe that Michael Moore is a bad person. It’s been blatant for many years (he started on British TV years ago) that he was a champion of the working man, and - at worst - a man with a good heart.
Regards the UK - of which I’m originally from - more than 80% were against the war and against the coallition with George Bush.
I don’t mean to ‘wind you up’, or get on your nerves, or offend you - but I have to tell you that Michael Moore’s views on George Bush are absolutely spot-on, and as an American you should be anticipating the day he gets chucked out the White House. Maybe then the rest of the world will change back their opinions of America on the whole - i.e. stop thinking you’re a nation of greedy retards (which you’re not) led by a greedy, money hungry, big business owning tyrant.
I’m a Scotsman, and a Mr Andrew Carnegie was one of many famous Scots to do well in America. After he passed away, he gave all his money away (at the time he was comparable to Bill Gates these days in terms of wealth) and subsequently there is a library in almost every American state financed by Carnegie. Could you ever even slightly envisage your current president care for his nation like that?
Always a fan of America, despite the despot.
Russ.
Sweden.
Russ, I wish I was getting paid to make this site. And as someone who grew up in Scotland, I can appreciate your views. I just wish that Europe could apppreciate ours. The day that 3,000 of your countrymen are incinerated in front of your eyes, maybe you will.
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Friday, July 02, 2004
Hate Mail Vol. 24
I don’t want to flood the site withthis stuff, but sometimes the jokes just write themselves. Y’all will love the story at the end. The money quote? “when I was 18 I went to poleman (I don’t know if that’s spelled Wright)”
Ah, the youth of America. Someday they’ll be in charge. Luckily I’ll have Alzheimer’s by then.
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Hate Mail
I haven’t gotten one this good in quite some time.
Ummm, I thought this was a joke. I didn’t think you fucks could read or write. Wow. Now I’m really scared. I know what you think of people who oppose your puritanical christian rascist ignorant biggoted homophobic viewpoints. Same stereotyping we give you. Fair’s fair. I hope rightwing scumfucks don’t start another civil war. Wait, that would be the answer for you. Since most of us (truth-seekers) are pacifist, you warwongering, blood hungry freaks would definately win. I know to you I’m just a hippy but I hate hippies. At least I actually act on my opinions rather than sit online and bitch about them. You know Moore’s film is going to make the difference this November. Bet your little cold heart just cracked when you heard the entire theater stand up and applaud after the film. Anyway, sorry I ranted, you know how it is when you believe something so strongly that you would die for it....Take my membership away please. Ban me, flame whatever. Oh, by the way, I never finished highschool and my household income is above $300k, I’m gay, and I vote. Hope that thought disturbs your sleep.
Thanks
If we did start a civil war we’d win, because all the lefties would be cowering at home, wetting themselves at the thought of actuallly having to pick up a weapon and use (gasp!) violence to defend themselves.
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Thursday, July 01, 2004
Hate Mail Vol. 23
Some of the Moore fans are such lovely folk. See inside for my favorite examples from today.
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Friday, May 21, 2004
Hate Mail
This one is entitled “the 4th reigh” and comes from Pierre Marqua.
All you have to do is read any non yank newspaper published anywhere on this planet to know moore speaks more truth than you wankers
Read this and you tell me this war on a nown isnt nothing more than hitlers liebensrahm
He then lists the text of an article called “ICRC worried about detainees in secret jails,” but does not provide a link.
YOU WANKERS SUPPORT GW POES, THUS YOU ARE NO BETTER THAN NAZI GERMANY. YOU DONT REPECT THE LAWS OF WAR, YOU DONT RESPECT THE SOVERENTY OF ANOTHER COUNTRY, BET YOU DONT RESPECT THE BASIC HUMAN RIGHTS OF ANOTHER HUMAN BEING EITHER, YOUR IDEALIST METHODS CRY OUT TO BE BLOWN UP. fUCK YOU WANKERS AT MOOREWATCH, FUCK YOU NAZI BASTERDS AT MOOREWATCH, MOOREWATCH IS SOUND MORE LIKE GURBLES THESE DAYS AND MOORE IS SOUNDING LIKE WINSTON CHURCHILL, USA IS EVIL, FUCKING WANKERS. OH BTW LET YOU IN ON A SECRET THE CIA FLEW THE PLANES INTO THE WORLD TRADE CENTRE.
And people the world over are shocked when Americans claim that they really don’t care what the rest of the world thinks.
Our next email, entitled “moorewatch idiots,” comes from Brad Halstead.
I would just like to say that michael moore would make a better president for your country as it is in a real shitty state right now. Its definitely a hot debate that your trying to contend with, but unfortunately we will probably not live long enough to see the real atrocities that bush has created. He (bush) did not win the election to become your president, even though he has some gun toting supporters, there wasn’t enough to elect him. On the otherhand, Michael Moore is gaining a lot of support everyday.
If you can say that Michael Moore spins his information, i suggest you look at your president and his staff. when you talk of spinning information, your president is the ‘chief editor’, with a following of bummbling idiots such as yourself.
The truth usually lies somewhere inbetween… and unless you are there to see it with your own eyes, or hear it with your own ears, you should be careful of what you believe. It is your personal choice to believe what you believe, but the sooner you exit your own country & understand what is really going on outside of your american spun media, the better you are for it. But when you do decide to leave to enlighten yourself, do me the favour, and try to listen to what other people say about you..."the common american”, and the situation of the world. Take into the account that some people outside america have fallen victim to your countries media as well, and will boost your ego. Although you will find that most people will not agree with your ‘way of thinking’ and probably just humour you until you leave the hostel.
But see it as you may, b/c it takes all types to make this world and interesting place, but when you have an idiot/moron as president of the most powerful country, it begins to get scary.
You may be right in saying kerry is not the man for the job (cause its not his mess) but when you have a redneck nickname for the alternative… “dubya"… its no wonder that your in a mess in the FIRST place!
that is why you ask God to bless america cause most other free thinking counties have god’s blessing already… unfortunately you must be behind.
I ask you this, as I ask the same of the radical’s/insurgents/Al Quida......What makes you think that God is on YOUR side?
I did the youth hostel thing when I was a teenager. When I go back to Europe now I stay in the finest hotels, and let Europeans serve me. Besides, I would be willing to bet that I have already lived in more countries than Brad Halstead will ever visit in his entire life. I realize that Michael Moore has done more than anyone else to convince the rest of the world that Americans are ignorant, paranoid rednecks who know nothing about the rest of the sophisticated world, but the truth is quite different. Christopher Hitchens, hardly a member of the Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy, recently summed up this sentiment beautifully.
But speaking here in my capacity as a polished, sophisticated European as well, it seems to me the laugh here is on the polished, sophisticated Europeans. They think Americans are fat, vulgar, greedy, stupid, ambitious and ignorant and so on. And they�ve taken as their own, as their representative American someone who actually embodies all of those qualities.
This is where Moore is a master: manipulating his own image. He is the very personification of everything he claims to despise about America and free market capitalism, and his fawning adherents somehow manage to blindly overlook this.
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Monday, May 17, 2004
Support
Too often we dwell on the negative. All bloggers do it. We hold up our hate mail and detracting comments and pick them apart, but the good ones often go unthanked.
Not today.
From: Ryan Latimer
Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 17:09:52
Subject: Fan support
Greetings from sunny (ha!) Battle Creek, MI - Mr. Moore's own home state.
I'll cut through all of the BS and just come out with what I've wanted to say for quite sometime now. I've visited Moorewatch.com for months and have supported the cause through its entire tenure. To say that I've agreed with 110% of everything would be a lie - I am my own person, and I have always lived by the rule that no two people in the world can fully agree on every little issue in existence (guns, health care, war, gay marriage, etc).
I'll be totally honest here, but what I'm about to say has nothing to do with me being from Michigan.
Michael Moore used to be a very clear-headed, independent thinker who raised some very valid points about world issues. I consider myself a right-wing conservative with a handful of "liberal" beliefs, mostly dealing with environmental issues. The great thing about Moore's earlier work (Roger and Me, The Big One) is that the issues raised in his films could be taken in by any side of the political spectrum.
Yes, there are money-grubbing, selfish big fish in the corporate world who wouldn't think twice about closing down a plant at the expense of a small Michigan city in order to make $200 million instead of $175 million (for example) - and it really has little to do with the ongoing right vs. left line of thinking.
Yes, there are selfish Fortune 500 CEOs who sleep at night knowing they are paying poor foreign workers dimes and nickels to make shoes for Americans who complain about paying more at the gas pump.
And yes, I even believe Mr. Moore raised some valid points in Bowling for Columbine about firearms. I really am torn on the whole issue of guns and I fully support either stance with an understanding attitude.
Then it happened. Michael Moore just got plain weird.
Gone was the Moore that equally blew the whistle on the wrong-doers of America (conservatives, liberals, independents), and in came the radical, fist-shaking propagandist who alienated a good deal of his respecting public.
With the new Moore came new ideas:
Bush is a deserter, Bush is the dumbest and worst President ever, Bush is a murderer and is going to Hell (just read his new book), God fully supports abortion, God doesn't want us to say "God bless America", God apparently loves to swear, men are idiots and should be wiped from the face of the earth, people who happen to enjoy guns are all "gun nuts," the Iraq war is all for oil...boy I could go on all day.
I love my country. I believe America is the greatest country in the world. I believe Bush - the man I will be voting for in November - is saddled with the most difficult task in the world right now. He understands the war he is leading is unpopular for many, but its something that must be done and he is willing to put his Presidency and reputation on the line.
In essence, he is trying to protect the ones that mock and spit on him.
Moore is not a liberal. Alan Colmes is a liberal. Joe Lieberman is a liberal. Moore is in the same group as Al Franken, Jeanne Garafolo, and Ted Kennedy - jokers. People who are so disconnected with the world that they blindly fire their hate at anyone who is willing to listen. A man like Alan Colmes, despite out differences in viewpoints, is someone I respect for being a decent human being.
I have no such respect for the jokers, the people who smear you if you dare disagree with them.
I would also be lying if I said I was fully confident of the upcoming November election. I am not. I'm worried that Mr. Moore's new "work" will infect the minds of capable voters to help dethrone the man he so despises. I am relying on Mike Wilson's new documentary to combat this.
I have already given him a few dollars, and I suggest the viewers of Moorewatch do the same. Don't let this man ruin the presidency of a man fighting for the morals and safety of Americans.
I appreciate the time you have given me to vent.
Ryan Latimer
Battle Creek, MI
Ryan, you’re good people. Thanks for writing.
I agree...we have to support Dubya for many reasons. I don’t like his domestic policies, but we have time to fix that later. Right now we’re fighting the kind of enemy that will fly a plane into a building full of people just trying to go to work. Three times. Four if you let ‘em. The kind of people that routinely capture and kill hostages, sometimes hacking their heads off with a small knife. The kind of people that don’t want to live peacefully with you, they want to destroy you because of what you aren’t.
Kerry is not the man for this job. Dubya is. The choice is literally that simple.
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Friday, April 23, 2004
Hate Mail
In response to this morning’s post A Letter from the Front, leftie whiner Tamara Hinson had this to say.
errr sorry...what government is in operation in Iraq???? The Americans who just gunned down loads of civillians with gunships in fallujah? Helped by the soldiers that are regularly bollocked for putting their flag up when the whole point is they’re not meant to be an invading army? The one run by Bush who is making it illegal to show pictures of war dead because “it might hurt the families” when 90% of the families have said they want their dead sons to be recognised and have their coffins shown in the newscasts? Oh, but your little quote came from a soldier out there, so it must be right. You don’t get the impression he could just be some 19 year old racist who has clearly formed a general opinion that all Iraquis are bigots?
“Now, the other side of this- Nearly every Iraqi has been positively affected by the overthrow of Sadaam and the installation of a provisional government.”
okaaayy..so most Iraqis are ignorant biggots? You don’t think that’s generalising just a little bit???
I think you need to get a minimum of one brain cell before you start talking about stuff you clearly don’t understand!!
She forgot to add “Uhhhh.... Uhhhh.... Bush=Hitler!”
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Wednesday, April 14, 2004
Hate Mail
I’m just as bad as Moore, says Ted Eliott.
Spin, spin, spin, you spin news, e-mails, etc., to your advantage as badly as Moore does. Radical right is as bad as radical left.
We are all grateful that everyone can express their opinion though.
Ted
Bethany Beach, DE
I argue things from a libertarian conservative viewpoint, Ted, and I freely admit that. The marked difference between Moore and me, Ted, is that I don’t have to manufacture or falsify evidence to support my assertions, like Moore does. As I have said countless times, what I find so objectionable about Moore is not his left-wing beliefs, but the way he feels it necessary to lie to support them. Those lies are what we point out here at MOOREWATCH.
There is another side to Mikey’s assertions, but the major media in this country are too busy kissing his fat white ass to ever actually challenge him on anything, which is what makes this site a necessity.
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Hate Mail
Who says that lefties aren’t anti-semitic? Not Aussie Michael Moore fan Paul Conti.
hi lee
i just wanted to say that i think michael moore is not bad at what he does, and he does profit from it, there should be more people out there just like him
unfortunately the ones who say the real truth (ie that your country is run by jews, etc) dont get a voice, they get squashed by the ADL and so forth,
your country needs a real voice, if not a revolution,
devoting time to stop michael moore is hardly helping things,
i hope america becomes great again,
but it would take a big step
take care
Our country is run by Jews. All it needs is a modern-day Hitler to take care of them and America will be great again.
Charming.
Update: Here’s another good one, from British Moore fan Tdpz.
michael moore is a genius
1) you americans should think about guns differently now
2) he has balls big enough to do somthing about the country your in and is trying to make it betterthe end
enjoy your red neck wife and sister (who is the same girl)
Ah, that delicate European sophistication that we all know and love. I guess Moore could help the country by exterminating all its Jews. I mean, if Mikey had his way they’d all be unarmed and defenseless, so why not?
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Thursday, March 25, 2004
Hate Mail Redux
Believe it or not, one of the previous hate mailers has written me back and actually included a little something of substance! Bravo! My hat is off to you! The first half of your email is pure drivel, but the second half gets good. Let’s look at the first half.
Hey Lee,
Real great response to my email. But I’m not even going to start with that because me and you could just go back and forth forever.............I did want to write you though in resonse to your latest debates with Josh Ianuzzi. First off, you only posted his first email on the main page..... and the 2nd one after that, which was the one he wanted you to post, you put a small link for it at the bottom of your post on the site. So dont call him a fucking retard to try to cover up for you being a straight up pussy..... I’ve seen that you’ve challenged him and being a friend of his well.....I wont say anything else except for good luck.
First off, about my “straight up being a pussy,” if you guys spend more than 30 cursory seconds here you would know that on long, long posts we routinely clip them into a main page section, and provide a link to a page where the full post can be read. This is extremely common in the blogosphere, and it allows a wider range of content to stay on the front page, plus it helps modem users access the front page quicker. When Josh responded I noted that I had updated the page, then stuck his second email (and his third) on the main page. This has been done a million times in the past. It had nothing to do with being a straight-up pussy tryin’ to be hidin’ dat wack shizzle, yo.
I call him a retard because he has thus far been utterly incapable of making anything resembling a cogent argument. He, like you and most other Moore hate-mailers, write in with inane criticisms of the site, talking about how wrong I am about issues, and about how easy it would be to debunk everything written here, het none of you ever do. Well, now Josh has his dream shot. I’m calling his bluff. I want to see just how easy it is for him to “disproove” what I have written here.
Now, don’t freak out, okay? I’m going to continue this post below, but you’ll have to clink the link. I don’t want you to think I’ve gone all pussified on you, okay? Just click the link, you’ll see.
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Wednesday, March 24, 2004
Hate Mail
Be sure and click the link at the bottom to read this article in its entirety, there’s been two updates.
Another typical hate mail from a Michael Moore fan, this one from Josh Iannuzzi.
Hey man, I have taken a look at your web site and am actually pretty disappointed in what I have seen. I am not upset with your opinions, because I understand there are tons of close minded conservatives in this country, but I must say you don’t even represent your arguments that well. If I had time I would love to sit around and proove every one of your points wrong, because frankly if you were so right you would recieve just as much attention, and become just as famous as Michael Moore.
I mean Al Franken wrote a book completely disprooving the likes of Ann Coulter, Sean Hannity, Bill O’Reilley, and Bernie Goldberg. Why can’t you do the same? My little brother can make a website, so don’t get too big of a head. It all comes down to jealousy and fame. You are jealous of Michael Moore’s success and fame, and while I understand that you have opposing opinions w/ him, it is obvious that you are trying to capitalize on ripping apart his work. Why don’t you write a book and become just as famous as Michael Moore, and then when you’re done with that, do something original, instead of just criticizing the work of others.
Well have fun picking apart whatever I had to say, but just know that having the last word does not always mean you are right...it may be your solution to shutting people up and looking victorious, but anyone reading this (including yourself) knows that its not as simple as that. Unless you think this little letter will really hurt your image or feelings, I hope you man enough to post my opinions on your website. Besides, either way its inevitable that you will have the last word, so don’t worry, its a win/win situation....isn’t it....?Sincerely Yours,
JoshP.S. And goodluck with that book!
As usual, here’s another Michael Moore fan who would love to “disproove” the points I raise on this site, yet they somehow mysteriously neglect to mention any specifics in their email. It’s so typical. I swear to God, folks, I don’t pick and choose these emails. The bulk of the hate mail I receive from Moore fans is virtually identical boilerplate.
Josh, I’m going to give you a golden opportunity to “proove” me wrong. I’m offering you carte blanche. You write me a few paragraphs “prooving” some of my claims wrong and I will post them, unedited, on the front page of this site. You said that you would “ love to sit around and proove every one of [my] points wrong,” well here’s your chance. Go on, hit me with your best shot. Or, if you don’t think you can actually “proove” me wrong, simply write back and say so.
The ball is in your court, Josh. Michael Moore wouldn’t give someone like me this kind of opportunity. Come on, big boy, “proove” me wrong. I was “man enough” to post your opinions on my site, are you man enough to “disproove” the points I raise here?
Time will tell, won’t it Josh?
Update: Josh responds.
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Thursday, March 04, 2004
Hate Mail
This one was just too funny to pass up. From [email protected]:
I THINK THAT YOU GUYS ARE FULL OF SHIT AND ARE TRYING TO KEEP THE REAL FUCKING TRUTH FROM PEOPLE I LIKE MICHAEL MOORE’S BOOKS THERE ALL ABOUT THE TRUTH THE TRUTH CANT BE SILENCED ANYMORE SO YOU GUYS SHOULD JUST JOIN THE MOVEMENT.
Intrigued, I had a friend look up this guy’s profile on AOL.
Name: DANNY
Location: SOUTHEAST SAN DIEGO
Gender: Male
Marital Status: ?
Hobbies & Interests: SMOKING MY KRONIC
Favorite Gadgets: GURLS
Occupation: FULL TIME SLACKER
Personal Quote: FU*K THA WORLD
A full-time pot-smoking slacker who hates the world. Sounds like a Michael Moore fan to me.
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Sunday, February 29, 2004
Hate Mail
From Mike P:
What is up with you!
I really can’t be that bothered to read your web-site to determine weather you are American or not, but having browsed the first page, I’d of guessed that you are.
‘Only in America’ - says it all. I’m a Brit and I find it hard to understand why you feel that it is acceptable to advertise the use of hand guns or any weaponry. I’ve had this same conversation with many friends of mine, some also Americans, and each time the answer is the same, ‘ we don’t condone the use of handguns, just the right to have them’. Constitution blah blah blah...................., the right to have them is the same as saying I want to use them. Why do you need a handgun in the suburbs or in the city? On a farm, okay but what cattle or fox do you intend to kill down the street. Opps sorry ‘block’.
Your constitution says that you have the right to have arms right? Does that mean its okay hold WMD, nukes? To me, yes a Brit, any gun is destructive and can cause destruction on a MASSive scale. Why do you want to run the risk of waking up one night, hearing a noise down stairs, believing its a big bad burglar take your 9mm down stairs and mistakenly kill your own daughter coming home late? Why do you want that, why do you want to kill/hurt people?
And don’t say you don’t want to hurt or maim someone because that’s exactly what you do want, every time you and your NRA and your republicans cry the rights to hold a gun. Very few police here in the UK carry a gun and even fewer want to. We had a case in Scotland where a man went into a school and killed dozens of innocent children under 8 years old. Peoples lives have been ruined because this man, at that time legally, had the use of a hand gun. After that we banned all hand guns. True there are some still here illegally and there always will but why make it so easy.
I would love to sit down with your president and ask him what he really believes is the right thing deep down. I don’t dislike Americans, But all I have seen over the last decade is hatred and it saddens me. I’m not anti-war but I am against lying to the people and we’ve been lied to. The American people have been lied to even longer over Iraq / ‘Nam etc.
I just think its a shame. But what can 1 guy from the UK do?
Mike P
Well, you can’t shoot yourself, that’s for sure.
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Monday, February 02, 2004
Hate Mail
This has to be a first… a site critique from someone who can actually string two coherent sentences together.
Hello,
I just took the liberty of logging on to your website, and to make a more long winded point succinct, I will not be returning.
I find it very amusing that you would stoop to the level of insult in order to “debunk” any claims that Mr. Moore has made. Has he exaggerated various points in his novels and films? Most certainly. But this can also be said for any of our corporate media outlets disseminating the lurid assertions that the Bush administration has made concerning a Saddam Hussein/al Qaeda link, Iraqi WMD capabilities, etc. Now, by saying that “Since ‘Mikey’ (as you like to mockingly refer to him) has sensationalized particular issues we can issue for pejorative calumnies in response.” An adage to keep in mind here is that disrespect for one’s opponents only sows the seeds of your own demise. The USA learned that in ‘Nam, and we’re learning it today in Iraq. You would be wise to learn it yourself. You don’t win over any of Moore’s supporters by labeling them “idiots” or “vapid”. You do it with hard evidence and an even tone.
Now, before you write me off as some thoughtless Moore sycophant, I want to mention that I took the time to read various posts on your site. That in and of itself should exonerate me from some criticism. I have watched some of Mr. Moore’s films and found some points compelling and others preposterous. I have read some of his literary work and found some of it persuasive and some of it rather mindless. But I give each side an equal chance to “sell me” so to speak. You’re site doesn’t necessarily prove that Moore is wrong, it simply raises doubts about his accuracy. Your site is, at the very least, just as disrespectful of Moore as he is of George Bush. By stooping to an comparable level of disrespect all you do is damage your own credibility. If anything you should be aspiring to defeat Moore by surpassing him in the area of integrity and accuracy, not simply trading barbs with him because he thinks from the left and you think from the right. I’m sure you think that you’re clever making fun of him for being fat when really you’re just diverting attention to inconsiquential body image matters because you really have nothing of value to say. Pathetic and despicable.
Using the penultimate sentence in the previous paragraph to segue into my final point, I’d like to say that NO ONE deserves to be “silenced” for simply stating an opinion. I do believe that that sort of thing was popular back in the 40’s, but after the Nazi’s and Japanese lost World War II, it sort of became passe to uphold those beliefs. I don’t agree with Rush Limbaugh, Ann Coulter, Sean Hannity, or any of the other neo-conservative, scumbag, blowhards but then again I don’t agree with many of the neo-liberals either. I like to do this really moronic thing called thinking for myself. It’s pretty apparent, at least from my standpoint, that your site isn’t devoted to fact checking Moore’s work and offering the truth, it’s simply a forum for you and other right thinking individuals to smugly pat each other on the back and bash someone for not agreeing with you.
Basically, you are no better than the person that you criticize, you run a shoddy website that should be disregarded by any person who actually reads books and is world-wise, and I will personally boycott your site and most likely urge those I know to do so as well. I’m sure this means little to you because criticism doesn’t seem to mean much to Bush and his followers, but I’ll assure you that your behavior and that of your ideological brethren will NOT be tolerated for much longer.
You may repost and lampoon this as you see fit, it will only reinforce my belief that you have no appreciable honor and simply insult those who you can not capably debate with. I do not desire a response from you, any such attempts will be summarily ignored.
Thank you for your time.
A few points, if I may. While this is light yeas ahead of the usual drivel I receive, notice that he (typically) does not include a single incorrect fact that I have stated. He doesn’t imp[each any of my arguments, only whines about a straw-man characterization of the way I present it. One the front page of the site right now are posts specifically refuting Moore’s claims about the creation of wealth in America, a refutation of MoveOn.org’s “silencing of dissent” claims, a fact-laden fisking of one member of Moore’s idiot legions, a statistical rebuttal of Moore’s “15 million hits” claim, a post showing how the San Francisco restaurant community is proving right one of my rebuttals of Moore’s claims about paying workers more money, and so on. There’s lots of great stuff here, these are just a sampling of the stuff on the front page. So this guy’s claim that we do nothing but insult Moore fans is, to put it bluntly, bullshit.
Also, I’ll guarantee you one thing: this is not the first time he’s been to the site, nor will it be the last. Oh sure, everyone claims they’ve only visited once, but that’s a load as well. Sooner or later they all come back. I’d be willing to bet money this guy is logging ion simply to see if I’ve posted his email.
Sooner or later they all come back. Boycott the site if you like. Hit me with your best shot. You’ll be back.
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Sunday, January 18, 2004
Hate Mail
Referring to my post earlier today regarding Wesley Clark’s despicable views on abortion, Kat Maslich had this to say.
SO BACKWARDS! Do you know what you what you are talking about anyway? Are you a woman.. probably not..right! You nor any man have NO RIGHT controlling women and what they can do with their bodies. If you are a woman, you are PATHETIC and maybe you should go back to the 1950’s. Wake up and smell the coffee. I am for Pro-choice in every way. I speak from experience. I was once pregnant! Call me when you get some ovaries and a uterus.. maybe then we can talk! You are probably for the death penalty too huh.. I find it truly fascinating that is how the tight conservatives think.. DON"T KILL THE BABIES.. but it is alright to put hundreds of people to death . It is a fact and it’s also called HYPOCRISY.. oh, you might need a thesaurus or a dictionary for that word..
maybe you can join the god fearing christian right wing Bush supporters!
A few points to be raised here. First, I am pro-choice. However, I do recognize a HUGE distinction between being pro-choice and wanting to murder a full-term baby that has simply not been born yet. As I said in my original post, only a radical left-wing extremist like Kat Maslich would fail to see the difference. Secondly, only someone with as skewed a sense of morality as this dunce would be unable to see the difference between executing a convicted murderer and aborting a defenseless, innocent unborn child. And finally, regarding the uterus comment, the day that women can generate sperm and thus impregnate themselves is the day that men have no say in the abortion issue.
Liberalism. Disgusting, isn’t it?
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